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Topic: .Tea party Godfather Ron Paul running for President
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juniperb
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posted May 13, 2011 09:20 AM
  
Guess who`s got my vote  Is the country fed up enough to step out and put him in the big chair? "Time has come around to the point where the people are agreeing with much of what I've been saying for 30 years. So, I think the time is right," said the 75-year-old Paul, who first ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988. Paul made his announcement in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" from New Hampshire, where he planned his first event for his presidential campaign on Friday.
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Chahldean
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posted May 13, 2011 05:24 PM
We meet I to I
Once a gain SS.He gets my vote every Election. 
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jwhop
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posted May 13, 2011 06:31 PM
Yeah, I just watched Ron Paul's speech to kick off his presidential campaign.Imagine that! A guy so radical he wants the Constitution followed, the Federal Reserve reined in and the busy body nose of the federal government kept out of state issues and citizen's lives!
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juniperb
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posted May 13, 2011 06:46 PM
Radical and right up an Aquarius`s alley 
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katatonic
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posted May 13, 2011 09:09 PM
and the army brought home and abortion illegal (i believe) and a host of other more controversial issues.but i wonder whose constitution? michelle bachmann's or the one that was written in the 18th century? IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted May 13, 2011 10:15 PM
Katatonic, if I were you, I wouldn't be disparaging anyone on the US Constitution.What you know about the US Constitution could be written on the head of a pin with a felt tip marker. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted May 14, 2011 06:55 AM
Brave man but he does not stand a chance. All he will do is split opposition votes and give an easy victory to Obama or Hillary. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 14, 2011 11:55 AM
i wasn't commenting but asking a question. i don't use the constitution as a gimmick that can be rewritten for professional advancement. i like some of paul's stances. others not so much. i very much doubt that should he get to the white house he would be any better at bringing the troops home than anyone else has been lately. but he runs on an isolationist platform. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted May 14, 2011 01:54 PM
No you weren't asking a question katatonic.You were making a political statement.  "but i wonder whose constitution? michelle bachmann's or the one that was written in the 18th century?"...katatonic IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 15, 2011 11:48 AM
it's a fact, jwhop, that the constitution has been the subject of arguments over its interpretation pretty much since the day it was published. are you saying that bachmann's interpretation is the one we should listen to? or do i, like every american citizen, have the right to disagree with and/or question her? and YOU?once again, i asked a question. the issue of abortion is interpreted differently by many people too. is it about a woman's right to decide what to do with her body? or about the right of a foetus to be born? tough questions, but not really the president's prerogative to decide as i see it. especially since it is not the president who is going to decide what to do with babies born to dead or incapable mothers, especially ron paul who doesn't believe in interfering(or helping) with our lives, right? IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted May 15, 2011 01:46 PM
"it's a fact, jwhop, that the constitution has been the subject of arguments over its interpretation pretty much since the day it was published. are you saying that bachmann's interpretation is the one we should listen to?"...katatonicWell katatonic, since you refer to Michelle Bachmann's interpretation of the Constitution; you must know what that interpretation is. So katatonic, what exactly is Michelle Bachmann's interpretation of the US Constitution? Btw, there is absolutely NO Constitutional jurisdiction whatsoever for the federal government to be involved in decisions about the legality of abortion. 10th Amendment USC The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. But, since the judicial hacks did insert themselves...illegally....into the abortion issue; then, they are bound by this amendment. 5th Amendment "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
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posted May 18, 2011 04:09 PM
Abortion is a wedge issue, designed to divide the populace...IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted May 19, 2011 10:47 PM
Well, if abortion was "designed" to divide the citizenry, it sure worked.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted May 20, 2011 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by AbsintheDragonfly:
Abortion is a wedge issue, designed to divide the populace...
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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted May 20, 2011 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Well, if abortion was "designed" to divide the citizenry, it sure worked.
Of course it is, Sir Lion. That way we can be focused on something that everyone is never, ever going to agree on, and get all hot under the collar about, and the things that are really important get I G N O R E D. But that's just the crazy conspiracist in me talking... IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
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posted May 20, 2011 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Yep while other looming issues hide behind the intent.
You know it Juni.  IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 09, 2011 11:28 AM
in 2012  Thats about the only voting speech I`ll offer up ------------------
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NativelyJoan
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posted December 17, 2011 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Is the country fed up enough to step out and put him in the big chair?
NO! The only "chair" Ron Paul will be sitting in, is his living room chair at home. The oval office chair will continue to be made comfortable by President Barack Obama for the next 4 years. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 17, 2011 08:08 PM
Haha! Not likely.------------------
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shura
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posted December 17, 2011 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by AbsintheDragonfly:
Abortion is a wedge issue, designed to divide the populace...
So true. Put a gun to my head today and I'd probably vote for Paul but the abortion issue would make it damn hard. It's been a dealbreaker for me in the past IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted December 17, 2011 08:19 PM
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So true. Put a gun to my head today and I'd probably vote for Paul but the abortion issue would make it damn hard. It's been a dealbreaker for me in the past
We simply need a little Aqua to Scorp chat to sort it out ------------------
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NativelyJoan
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posted December 17, 2011 09:21 PM
This is going to be an election of heightened apathy and disinterest, on both sides. The world's changing, these candidates can't use the same platforms that garnered success in the past in the US. The pool of youth won't support it or them. They aren't interested in religious platforms, conservative moralism, and other right wing trivialities. They're interested in human welfare, environmental conservation, education, technology and the direction of our current financial system. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, young voters are concerned with bigger issues then limiting government interference. Appeal to them or lose a large stake in the voting pool. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted December 18, 2011 10:06 AM
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Unfortunately for Ron Paul, young voters are concerned with bigger issues then limiting government interference.
Appeal to them or lose a large stake in the voting pool.
I mostly much agree with that. The young voters are important and most of their concerns are valid. What I am having problems with is their demands for entitlements. As a country , my personal view is we are not entitled to one single thing that goes beyond the Constitution. That is the backbone of this Country.
I enjoy free things too but I am conscious where the free things come from ie someone provided the labor and money for the freebie. So is it truely free if someone paid the price for it?
Same with goverment and the peoples demand for personal pork. There is no such thing as a free lunch and that will remain so as long as the world turns.
Someone always has to pay. ------------------
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katatonic
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posted December 18, 2011 12:13 PM
perhaps we should be very clear when talking about ENTITLEMENTS. many people see these as handouts, but what exactly is free about them?medicare and medicaid are paid for by the contributions of taxpayers. while there may be some people who have not paid income tax for years, any earned money gets docked for SS and medical, does it not? while i can understand why the middle class might resent others neither working nor starving, while we pay our taxes, and claim no benefits, we will all be on the receiving end when the time comes, so exactly what is FREE about these "handouts"?
or are we talking about some other "freebies" i haven't mentioned? unemployment is not "free" and taxes are not PUNISHMENT, they cover a host of services like first responders, schools, etc, that serve us all whether we use them or not. many businesses have been started while their owners were on unemployment or very low wages. my problem with ron paul is that while he TALKS about non-interference he believes abortion should be illegal and doesn't see the point in equal rights for gays...what business does a presidential or national candidate have meddling in these matters? also, while i love his non-imperialist stance, he has been in washington way too long to think he can just pull our troops and no one will stop him. FAR too much money to be made in war. not for the country but the contractors and suppliers. and then there's the little problem of all those foreign-based citizens having to find work and homes on their return... a lot of what he says sounds good but when you look at the way things actually operate, the deals that have already been made and which will be protected with everything the recipients can muster, i suspect paul would have as hard a time getting things through HIS way as obama has. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted December 18, 2011 05:37 PM
The devil is in the details and my musings were not clear.
Since this is about Ron Paul I was musing on his stance of forgein aid being an entitlement. On which I agree except in a crisis quote:
n Paul has also been criticized for wanting to “end foreign aid to Israel.” He had in fact called for an end to all foreign aid in general. Foreign aid acts like an entitlement: eventually the recipient grows dependent on it and will do everything in his power to continue the flow of funds. This might even involve spending some of the already-received payments to “lobby” for more money.Ron Paul believes this is a bad thing. Not only does foreign aid lead to corruption on both sides; it is inherently immoral. Ron Paul said that “foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country and giving it to the rich people of a poor country.”
Also the entitlement benefits the protesters are asking for.
across the board debt forgiveness free college educations guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment. I do include and you know it`s true, those who have large families who live off the system as long as they can. There`s more but
I personally don`t include anything I work and PAY for an entitlement. By that the general list you provided. ------------------
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