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katatonic
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posted December 18, 2011 10:56 PM
  
it is not as bad, and also worse, than you (or i) thought...i will apologize outright to those i dissed here... but you should read and maybe watch this too.
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katatonic
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posted December 18, 2011 10:59 PM
i have been letting someone wind me up, not fun to admit. at the same time i have been telling that person to calm down and tone down, they have got in under my radar. nuff said.that does not mean this bill doesn't take us a step further yet again. however i am satisfied FOR NOW that we will at least not be thrown in the brig without due process. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 18, 2011 11:01 PM
which makes me wonder again about the pauls! lolIP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 18, 2011 11:23 PM
America evolves, but she will always stand strong. The world depends on her.------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
mochai
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posted December 19, 2011 04:30 AM
Of course it depends on her. We've been economically destabilizing much of the world through subterfuge and American trained violent insurgents to install and lead brutal repressive regimes in much of the world. America has been doing it in Latin America for at least 5 decades. Prior to that through import substitution industrialization the economies of the larger South American countries were actually on par with our own. And when some of the graduates are successfully expelled from their country for human rights violations and massacring their populace, they are invited back to the school in Georgia to speak as the guest of honor.More info here..
soaw.org Sorry for sounding harsh or sarcastic. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2011 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
America evolves, but she will always stand strong. The world depends on her.
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Passion, Lust, Betrayal. Peek in my journal.
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 01:17 PM
well, randall, i do not share your view of america as central or essential to the rest of the world. i believe the rest of the world should also be allowed autonomy which is none of our business.much of what mochai says is true. but my main concern is that empire building ALWAYS brings down the mother country, that is only 100% of the cases in history. england narrowly escaped demolition by loosening its grip on its colonies...and certainly carries none of its old clout these days, while still being a viable player in the big time despite its puny size. i think we would be better to pull back, focus on our own strengths and shadows, and let others enjoy the freedom to self-determine that we insist on. this wouldn't happen in a day or a year, but ultimately the world is moving towards more individual power and the desperate attempts of governors to countermand that trend cannot win... imo of course! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 19, 2011 01:31 PM
We tried that approach, and that's how Hitler rose. After which, the rest of the world asked us to oversee things. I do believe in less interference until we see another madman coming to power. And financially, all of the world's currencies are tied to the US dollar and credit rating of America. That's a simple fact. ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 01:39 PM
apparently there are those in congress who are still worried about the powers vested in the executive and military in the NDAA:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/10230-feinstein-introduces-due-process-guarantee-act IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 01:45 PM
i think when you say the kinds of things you just did, randall ("the rest of the world asked us to oversee things") that you betray a completely american point-of-view. from outside these boundaries, we are seen very differently than you have been taught by school and media.yes we helped defeat hitler and the japanese. we did not do it ourselves! and since then we have gone into arenas where we were NOT invited and where we are seen as imperialistic overlord wannabes. many of those arenas are not happy with the deal they got. when the english "ruled the world" they brought some wonderful improvements with them. they also brought subservience to sovereign peoples who eventually booted them out. yes the dollar is the currency standard THESE DAYS. none of this is permanent and if we overstretch ourselves and our currency it will be someone else's turn. same as it ever was... i think we may have already done so, unfortunately. i realize you do not, so i will agree to differ! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 01:55 PM
this from the netherlands for your outsider view, randall...People in The Netherlands have always looked up to the USA. It won't be long before that stops, I guess. These are stories I read, watched and heard in the mainstream media over here: •your political system is one of the most corrupt systems in the world
•your politicians represent companies instead of people
•your government will probably censor the internet
•your government detains without trial
•your government tortures people
•your government hires mercenaries
•your government does nothing to improve education
•your president doesn't have any real influence over what happens
•your presidential candidates are stupid beyond belief
•your presidential candidates promote stupidity
•your presidential candidates are not taking seriously over here
•your elections are a joke
•your media outlets cannot be trusted
•your media outlets focus on distractions instead of main issues
•your people are ****** when they're uninsured
•your infrastructure is collapsing
•your economy will soon be top 3 instead of #1
•your economy will probably collapse a second time
So it's not only Reddit or The Daily Show that is covering these issues. Other countries are watching and passing the popcorn while your country is collapsing. And I think it will get worse, not better. I am 29 years old and looking back at the world's history I don't think the problems above will be solved during my lifetime. It will probably have to get a lot worse before a movement arises that's big enough to demand real change. Now you'll probably read this, take one small point out of my story and comment on that. That's okay, but please notice the trend of what's going on in your country. Do something about it. We need our big brother to act like role model. Right now he's high as a kite.
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Randall
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posted December 19, 2011 02:50 PM
It's not opinion--it's fact. Other countries asked us to be the overseer and police the world. It's just history. And we are always being criticized no matter what good we do.------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 02:56 PM
okay, WHO asked us to police the world? and why do you think we would agree to that? kindness and selflessness?and apart from the answer to WHO? what about all the places we have endowed with our rulership who did NOT ask for it? are we the UN now? we are overstretched. perhaps we should, like any sensible people, take care of our own before we drain the well taking care of others? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 19, 2011 05:43 PM
You seem to have a lot of hatred for this country. Despite your hostilities, soldiers fight and risk their lives every day to give you the right to gripe and complain. ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 06:15 PM
oh dear god randall. if you saw your child running in front of a truck would you say "what a great spirit! have fun!"??i love my country. i don't want to see it destroy itself through overreach. it is plenty big enough without ruling the world, and we were better off before we tried. so take your "hatred of america" and stuff it. you have been living in grover norquist land too long. it is my country right or wrong but i would rather it was on the right path. if you don't like my take of what the right path is, well, that is your privilege. but if you try to diss me or shut me up by saying i hate america you are just one more narrowminded censor. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 06:16 PM
you don't have to answer my question if you can't find it, but don't try to denigrate me to get out of it! 'kay?IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 19, 2011 06:18 PM
America isn't trying to rule the world. That's ridiculous. You've been reading too much fringe material. I am neither dissing nor trying to shut you up. Just stating my opinion on what you write, which is that you seem to have a hatred for this country.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted December 19, 2011 09:36 PM
Three myths about the detention bill I haven`t had the chance to carefully read the article yet but dropping the link for discussion.
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/ ------------------
Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~ IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 09:41 PM
good grief charlie brown. perhaps you should read again if your comprehension is that poor. or perhaps you are just wriggling out of answering my question. WHO asked us to police the world (your words not mine)? i guess the opening post might lead you to think i read too much fringe material. i actually read a lot of different kinds of material. helps one keep a sense of perspective. but character assassinations aside, and judgements on my reading habits as well, WHO asked us to police the world? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 09:48 PM
feinstein has got a new bill up to clarify that us citizens are exempt. but when it comes right down to it, what the constitution AND the NDAA say are open to interpretation, so abuses will probably occur.IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted December 19, 2011 10:02 PM
We don't want power, we don't want to be congressmen, bankers, we want to be ourselves. We want to have our heritage, because we are the
owners of this land and because we belong here. The white man says there is freedom and justice for all. We have had "freedom and justice," and that is why we have been almost exterminated. We shall not forget this."
1927 Grand Council of American Indiansthe constitution didn't help them much, did it? oh that's right, we never granted citizenship to the "savages" whose land we took over. just because this is my, or your, country, doesn't mean everything it does is right, does it? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2011 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
You seem to have a lot of hatred for this country. Despite your hostilities, soldiers fight and risk their lives every day to give you the right to gripe and complain.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2011 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
America isn't trying to rule the world. That's ridiculous. You've been reading too much fringe material. I am neither dissing nor trying to shut you up. Just stating my opinion on what you write, which is that you seem to have a hatred for this country.
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Randall
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posted December 19, 2011 11:46 PM
I was trying to locate my history textbook so as to get all of the countries correctly, but basically our allies in WW2. We wanted no part of the war. We enjoyed keeping to ourselves. Pearl Harbor awakened the sleeping giant. After Germany was defeated, we wrote their Constitution.IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted December 19, 2011 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
You seem to have a lot of hatred for this country. Despite your hostilities, soldiers fight and risk their lives every day to give you the right to gripe and complain.
Those soldiers aren't fighting on American soil. Their fighting abroad in foreign countries, fighting in wars that are unnecessary, orchestrated by those who previously held power based on false assumptions and corrupt intentions. Those men and women CHOSE to fight in these unjustified wars. What about the hundreds of thousands of civilians who have died at the hands of American soldiers in the Middle east? Human lives wasted on pointless wars and unnecessary international interference. America has no place to police the world. We've got a United Nations to manage global affairs and issues between countries. IP: Logged |
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