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Randall
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posted December 26, 2011 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who do you like for Republican nominee?

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posted December 26, 2011 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is yours Randall?

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posted December 26, 2011 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure about any of the choices.

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posted December 26, 2011 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It`s a lame choice no matter how you cut it.
Candidly, I see Obama getting another 4

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posted December 27, 2011 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Republicans need someone more charismatic.

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posted December 27, 2011 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you think Herman Cain was charismatic, Randall?

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posted December 27, 2011 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
charismatic... Randall, I`d settle for some Constitutional integrity

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posted December 27, 2011 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cain had personality. But I'm looking for the conservative counterpoint to Clinton. I mean, he played saxophone on Letterman. But when Republicans pick someone like Dole, I just wonder what they're thinking sometimes.

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posted December 27, 2011 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But when Republicans pick someone like Dole, I just wonder what they're thinking sometimes.

Ah time had been good to me; I had actually forgotten about him

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posted December 27, 2011 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Cain had personality. But I'm looking for the conservative counterpoint to Clinton. I mean, he played saxophone on Letterman. But when Republicans pick someone like Dole, I just wonder what they're thinking sometimes.


Ok I see. You got to run Randall

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posted December 27, 2011 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to have to think about this for a while Randall.

I'm less than thrilled about any of them and for each of them, it's for a different reason.

This may wind up being a "brokered convention". If that happens there might be some real surprises.

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posted December 28, 2011 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bring on the horse trading


FDR made it in 38! (I think he was the last winner-brokered president?!)

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posted January 11, 2012 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

One caucus and one primary down;

Any deeper insights?

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posted January 11, 2012 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This doesn't qualify for "deeper insight" but Ron Paul had another good outing.

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posted January 11, 2012 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Republicans need someone more charismatic.

http://news.yahoo.com/huntsman-only-gop-candidate-actually-beat-obama-235400851.html

I don't know what they mean by "he plays rock music," but it sounds promising if you want someone with personality.

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posted January 11, 2012 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm going to have to think about this for a while Randall.
I'm less than thrilled about any of them and for each of them, it's for a different reason.


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This doesn't qualify for "deeper insight" but Ron Paul had another good outing.

Does this mean you now have have a personal selection ?

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posted January 11, 2012 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The concensus seems to be slanted in the favor of Romney, because it's viewed that he has the best chance to defeat Obama. A surprising number of Independents came out to vote for Romney, so I know that scares the Obama camp.

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posted January 11, 2012 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You mean you "imagine" it scares the Obama camp.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/were-new-hampshire-independents-really-independent/

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posted January 11, 2012 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Does this mean you now have have a personal selection?"

No juni, I want to see them vet each other and beat the hell out of each other for a while yet. That way the stongest candidate will emerge.

The article you posted acoustic agrees very nicely with what I've been saying.

Independents are trending Republican, not demoscat. Were it not for Independents who voted for O'Bomber in 2008, he would not currently be infesting the White House.

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posted January 11, 2012 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read much?

    A huge percentage of these independent voters – 85 percent – say they have voted in a Republican primary before today. Ron Paul carried those voters who said they had never voted in a Republican primary with 37 percent.

    Moreover, even as the percentage of independents increased, we didn’t see much change in the ideological make-up of the Republican electorate from where it was in 2008. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/were-new-hampshire-independents-r eally-independent/

It most certainly did not back up your claims.

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posted January 12, 2012 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you do it acoustic?

The headline of the ABC news story destroys your argument.

Were New Hampshire Independents Really Independent?

But then, it gets worse for your argument. Of those independents who cast votes, 31% voted for Ron Paul...meaning 69% voted for someone else.

"First, it’s clear that Ron Paul attracts a group of voters that aren’t traditional Republican activists. In fact, Paul won the independent vote with 31 percent."

What the drooler from ABC news...and you acoustic don't understand is that if every single one of the Independents who voted for Ron Paul never voted before or voted for demoscats in the past; that leaves 69% of Independents who voted in a republican primary for someone other than Ron Paul. Further, almost half of the voters in NH voted as Independents. Which is a very good indicator of which direction Independents have moved and still are moving.

Btw, there was another primary in NH...the demoscat primary. O'Bomber won 82% of the vote. That's almost Saddam or Castro numbers.

However, the Republican primary had 243,000 votes for major republican candidates but the demoscat primary only produced about 50,000 for O'Bomber.

Ummm, that's not good news for demoscats...or O'Bomber.

Oh, Ron Paul came in second...in the NH demoscat primary race too!

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posted January 12, 2012 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The HEADLINE does no such thing, nor does the article.

Just 15% of the Independents that voted had NOT voted in a Republican primary previously.

That means, in essence, that 85% of self-declared Independents voted in Republican primaries previously. An Independent that regularly feels a stake in Republican primaries, would be a Republican-leaning Independent that has been a Republican-leaning Independent for some time (NOT A NEW CONVERT).

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Btw, there was another primary in NH...the demoscat primary. O'Bomber won 82% of the vote. That's almost Saddam or Castro numbers.

What? What crazy nonsense are you spewing now? Of course Obama won. He won against people who only had to pay $1000 to get on the ballot. Why on earth wouldn't he win as the incumbent Democrat in office?

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However, the Republican primary had 243,000 votes for major republican candidates but the demoscat primary only produced about 50,000 for O'Bomber.

Ummm, that's not good news for demoscats...or O'Bomber.


Wow! This is some extraordinarily bad thinking. When your party holds the Presidency, and your President is running for reelection the chances of him not winning the nomination are extremely minimal. This doesn't bring people to the polls to re-affirm an outcome that's foregone.

It's not bad news for Democrats or Obama. Overall, this primary season has been fantastic for Obama by any reasonable, rational measure. What could be better than a big field of competitors getting nasty in their competition to go up against you? By the time the front runner is definitively established Obama should have a good grasp of the weak points of any opponent that should emerge. He may also benefit from the sore loser effect of Republicans whose candidate didn't emerge victorious. You think a Rick Perry supporter wants to vote for Romney? How about a Ron Paul supporter?

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posted January 12, 2012 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Independents ARE moving towards the republican party acoustic.

Further, it's Independents who will elect the next President...and that's unlikely to be O'Bomber.

"Independents’ Disapproval
On the economy, 29 percent of independents approve of the job Obama is doing while 66 percent disapprove. Obama is weakest among independents when it comes to his ability to reduce the deficit -- under a quarter of those respondents approve of his job in that category, while 67 percent disapprove. On job creation, 30 percent of independents approve of Obama’s efforts while 63 percent disapprove. He scored slightly better among independents on health care with 34 percent approving and 57 percent disapproving.

Forty-six percent of independents say they definitely won’t vote to re-elect the president, compared to 21 percent who definitely will support him. In 2008, Obama was backed by 52 percent of independent voters, compared to 44 percent who backed Republican nominee John McCain, an Arizona senator, according to exit polls."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-14/obama-approval-drops-on-skepticism-of-jobs-plan.html


The rest of what you had to say is such blithering, blathering nonsense it doesn't deserve a response.

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posted January 12, 2012 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I surely wish Newt would plug his pie hole .

They indeed need to fight it out and the best man win but naughty Newt is an extreme against his own party.

Win on the issues not a dogs ride .

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posted January 12, 2012 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just yesterday, or day before i saw a statistic which said that the current "line-up" for the parties actually has more independents than either dems or republicans!

however, to say they are moving towards republicans is a little premature IMO, as the figures broke down to 31% dem, 27% repub, and 42% indies...of those polled i assume.

once again polls are only as good as the correction you make for their slant...

as to the infighting among republicans, i find it amusing that while jwhop protests the OWSers are idiots, the republicans obviously have been listening, and are attacking romney for his "vulture capitalism" over the years...and they aren't even playing to the GENERAL public yet!

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