posted June 29, 2012 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
so out of curiosity, randall, and ami, do you not already have health insurance? which stands to go down when millions more pay into it and emergency rooms don't have to charge so much anymore?

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You are soooo lost, Kat. Do you know what the shape of medicine will be like? It will be like getting your Drivers License.

posted June 29, 2012 08:19 PM            

but unless you have experienced universal healthcare, and we aren't even there yet, you are way out of your element telling me that i am "so lost".

as usual you are not taking facts into consideration.

and as usual, you haven't answered my question. do you carry insurance, or do you trust in god to save you from a $35K bill if you have to have surgery or stay in hospital for any length of time?

i don't see my english inlaws suffering as my mother did with the prospect of a finite amount of money in their "folio" with which to keep themselves alive...my mother worked out that she had enough to keep her for about 3 years after she sold everything she owned. my inlaws, she with parkinson's (treated FREE for the last 17 years) and he with a new knee, are still in their house and not needing to sell it to survive. nor are their children having to give up everything to help them...

spot the difference? and that is AFTER huge cutbacks in the services there. i was accustomed to having my doctor stop at the house when my daughter was small and ill. my mother was amazed, couldn't remember the last time she had even HEARD of a doc coming to the house.

posted June 29, 2012 08:24 PM            

or are you taking your chances?

posted June 29, 2012 08:50 PM            

You will be sorry one day, Kat.

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posted June 29, 2012 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
'The only thing that brings me peace is that you reap what you sow."

It brings you peace? I realize this is a political forum, but that doesn't sound to me like the Christian approach. In fact, I'd say it's repulsive.

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Shura, your ideas such as this are some of the most idiotic I have heard in my entire life, bar none, and I have heard some dum dum ones.

It is a spiritual law

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posted June 30, 2012 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It is a belief held by most religious systems (sometimes Karma, sometimes just action/reaction). Sow good seeds and reap a harvest. Sow bad seeds and reap in like kind. You can never plant cucumbers and get tomatoes.

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Totally. When you see people sell us out like Roberts, he will pay--now or later. It is just how it is. It works on an individual basis, too.

If you are a nasty person to others, people will be nasty to you. If you try to give love and respect to others, people will give it to you. Your life will be defined by this, so you are better off planting good seeds, as you will eat the crop of them.

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posted June 30, 2012 11:12 AM            

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If you are a nasty person to others, people will be nasty to you. If you try to give love and respect to others, people will give it to you.

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This is a overly simplistic and naive understanding of a complex Law.

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The only thing that brings me peace is that you reap what you sow.

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posted June 30, 2012 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:
pain is a sacred gift, an open door. happiness is divine grace.

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So, are those your beliefs? How do they translate to how you live your life? Do you try to act kindly to people and with understanding?

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posted June 30, 2012 11:56 AM            

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Those are my beliefs regarding karma. I do not believe Christ is in the business of punishment. I believe He is in the business of rehabilitation.

Karma is a mysterious, complex law. I have enough to do sorting through my own daily bread w/o judging the lot of others or hoping for their demise via a punishing God. If, in my small attempts to understand, I take the time to obseve another soul's story I try my utmost to do so with compassion. I don't nurture bloodlust. Durch mitleid wissend.

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I see. So, you strive to build others up, in your daily walk through life? That is a good and worthy goal, Shura.

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posted June 30, 2012 12:00 PM            

Why?

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posted June 30, 2012 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
No, I don't strive to build others up as I walk through life. That would be presumptuous, I think.
blessings to you as well, ami.

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Thank you, Shura. Be well.

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posted June 30, 2012 12:56 PM            

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You people are short sighted. You won't listen. There is nothing anyone with any sense can do to tell you.

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posted June 30, 2012 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
Once again, Obamacare is based on Republican proposals for how healthcare should be fixed. If you watching the news sometimes, you'll see that everyone is trotting out clips of Romney talking about Romneycare, and his pride in the individual mandate, and the tax penalty people will pay if they're not in the system. If you think something is wrong with Obamacare, the source of that wrongness was designed by the party you back.

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Romneycare was a mistake, too. To multiply the mistake is not smart.

This is my deal with you AG? Can't you SEE rights are being taken away by Obama?

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posted June 30, 2012 01:15 PM            

like the increasing tendency of cities to invoke "stop and frisk" laws, much like the arizona immigration law, that allow police to stop you just for being cross-eyed if they like, though the preponderance of such harassment falls upon the brown people as usual.

like the govt's continued support of monsanto having its people in the FDA.

etc.

as long as we have the MANDATE that everyone must receive treatment a MANDATE that everyone must contribute is the only reasonable solution.

what you sow is what you will reap? yes, but intent is very important here too. no one knows roberts' heart, but he was bush's man so just goes to show how little we can really predict what people will do and what the results will be.

posted June 30, 2012 01:24 PM            

I went to Russia and saw their health care, as I was on a tour with doctors, as one of my family member is a doctor. We toured the Russian hospitals. It sucked so badly. There is no free ride in life, Kat. Haven't you learned that, yet?

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posted June 30, 2012 01:50 PM            

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Can't you SEE rights are being taken away by Obama?

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I have the right to have my homeland defended.

I have the right to police protection when dangerous situations are happening.

I have the right to have fire squashed around me if my life is in danger.

My taxes afford me all of these rights, and all of these rights can have definite impact on my health as well as on my ability to pay for such service.

I can't say much more than that, because of your stated opposition to statistics and facts. Knowing a doctor at the VA doesn't make you an expert on this bill. Going to Russia doesn't qualify your comments on this bill. You can either learn about what it will really do, or just continue to listen to biased opinions on the matter.