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Ami Anne
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posted September 10, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you explain this. Is O'Bomber et al trying to strong arm them?

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posted September 10, 2012 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, just the usual O'Bomber strong arm campaign tactics Ami.

O'Bomber wants Gallup...and other polling organizations to over sample demoscats and under sample Republicans to make it appear he's leading in the Presidential race. Then, the drooling O'Bomber press picks up those bogus polls and spreads them around America.

What else does he have? He can't run on his record...he's a total flop as prez.

All his initiatives to paint Romney as a bully, as a dog hater, as a tax cheat, as the Sheriff of Nottingham, robbing the poor to give to the rich, as a corporate raider, making war on women, blah, blah, blah, blah...have all failed.

So now, his drooling sycophants in the press and polling services must convince Republicans, O'Bomber is ahead, it's hopeless, O'Bomber is going to win and they might as well stay home and not go vote. Hahahahaha, not damned likely.

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posted September 10, 2012 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Bomber and his whole crowd really are just a bunch of Marxist thugs. Time to boot their sorry as$es back to Chicago where thuggery is a way of life.

Judicial Watch: ‘Obama gang’ tried to intimidate transparency group before Gallup
09/10/2012
Matthew Boyle

President Barack Obama’s White House officials tried using the same intimidation tactics against conservative pro-transparency organization Judicial Watch in 2009 as the administration is using against The Gallup Organization right now, Judicial Watch’s president told The Daily Caller.

“The Obama gang did the same thing to us!” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in an email to TheDC. “The WH also ‘invited’ us over because they had concerns about ‘inaccuracies’ in a press release attacking visitor log secrecy – told us we should say nice things about them and they would say nice things about us.”

Last week, TheDC published internal Gallup emails showing that senior Obama re-election campaign adviser David Axelrod tried to subtly intimidate the respected polling firm when its polling results were unfavorable to the president. In April, Axelrod tweeted that a poll showing Mitt Romney with a 48-43 percent lead over Obama was “saddled with some methodological problems,” directing his Twitter followers to read a National Journal story criticizing Gallup polls showing a Romney lead.

Internally, Gallup officials discussed via email how to respond Axelrod’s accusations. One suggested that it “seems like a pretty good time for a blog response,” and named a potential writer.

In response to that suggestion, another senior Gallup official wrote — in an email chain titled “Axelrod vs. Gallup” — that the White House “has asked” a senior Gallup staffer “to come over and explain our methodology too.”

That Gallup official, the email continued, “has a plan that includes blogging and telling WH [the White House] he would love to have them come over here etc. This could be a very good moment for us to [show] our super rigorous methods compared to weak samples etc.”

The writer named several news organizations with their own polling methodologies, all of which resulted in numbers more favorable to President Obama at the time.

In response to that email, a third senior Gallup official said he thought Axelrod’s pressure “sounds a little like a Godfather situation.”

“Imagine Axel[rod] with Brando’s voice: ‘[Name redacted], I’d like you to come over and explain your methodology… You got a nice poll there… would be a shame if anything happened to it…’”

In a second email chain titled “slanderous link about Gallup methodology,” another senior Gallup official noted that a Washington Examiner story on Axelrod’s anti-Gallup tweet was “on [the] Drudge [Report] right now,” before writing that the episode was “[s]o politically motivated, it’s laughable.”

“As they say in b-ball: he’s trying to work the refs,” that official wrote to other senior Gallup staffers. “What a joke. Axel’s had a bad week. He got in the middle of the Ann Romney thing. Then said the country is going in the wrong direction. (Oops!) Now he’s swinging at us.”

In the time since those Gallup officials refused to cooperate with Axelrod’s and the Obama White House’s intimidation attempts, Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice hit it with an unrelated lawsuit that appears damning on its face. The DOJ revived old allegations against the firm that, according to now former Gallup employee Michael Lindley, the polling company violated the False Claims Act by over-charging the federal government for its services. Holder’s DOJ did so by signing on to a suit Lindley – a one-time 2008 Obama campaign staffer – filed in 2009, alleging, according to The Associated Press, that Gallup filed false claims with the federal government on contracts it had with the State Department, the U.S. Mint and other federal agencies.

In pointing out the similarities between how Gallup is being treated and how his organization was treated back in 2009, Fitton directed TheDC to an excerpt from his recent book “The Corruption Chronicles,” published on July 24 this year.

“In October 2009, one of our investigators received a call from a White House lawyer who wanted to express some concern about the accuracy of our press statement,” Fitton wrote in a July 21 column drawn from the book. “He invited us to a meeting at the White House.”

“I am convinced that the White House thought we’d be intimidated by getting such a phone call, although we saw through the tactic and happily accepted the invitation,” Fitton continued in the column. “On Oct. 21, 2009, my Judicial Watch colleagues and I met with senior White House officials led by Norm Eisen. During the meeting, Eisen offered to make some superficial accommodations to us on the visitor logs issue and encouraged us to publicly praise the Obama administration’s commitment to transparency. We were told that the White House would praise us in return.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/10/judicial-watch-obama-gang-tried-to-intimidate-transparency-group-before-gallup/

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posted September 10, 2012 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and you're calling that intimidation a la corleone? can't you find anything better to twiddle?

pity all the unlikely voters are getting ready to come out, innit?

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posted September 10, 2012 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
and you're calling that intimidation a la corleone? can't you find anything better to twiddle?

pity all the unlikely voters are getting ready to come out, innit?


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posted September 10, 2012 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahaha, unlikely voters don't come out. That's why they're "unlikely voters".

O'Bomber even had to downsize his acceptance speech site because he couldn't fill the original site. Even handing out free tickets at bars and busing in kids and he still couldn't fill the site.

No wonder O'Bomber wants illegal aliens, the dead, felons and space aliens to be able to vote for him.

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posted September 10, 2012 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A tweet is considered "intimidation"? Really?

Gallup has the President up five points. That's what's up, Ami. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/gallup-rasmussen-obama-up-five-points/1

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posted September 10, 2012 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG
Up 5 points is a fake bounce. Check yourself before you wreck yourself

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posted September 10, 2012 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, the Justice Dept has joined a suit against Gallup alleging false claims made to the government...fraud. Seems to me that's more than a tweet, now isn't it! Funny when that happened. Right after Gallup refused to see things the White House way.

Funny too how that happened. A former O'Bomber campaign organizer went to work for Gallup. Then got fired and filed a civil suit against Gallup...which the Justice Dept then joined against Gallup.

Shhhhhhh! Keep that under your hat. Wouldn't want anyone to think O'Bomber is trying to influence the results of presidential polls...now would we.

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posted September 10, 2012 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Shhhhhhh! Keep that under your hat. Wouldn't want anyone to think O'Bomber is trying to influence the results of presidential polls...now would we.


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posted September 11, 2012 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So this is the way the national pollsters are showing O'Bomber ahead Ami..and it's just as I said..over-sample demoscats and under-sample Republicans.

Here's the proof found in the Washington Post/ABC poll taken Sept 7-9th.

Pay attention to the last question.

Q: Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as a...
Democrat 33%
Republican 23%
Independent 37%
Other 4%
Dont know 3%
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/09/11/National-Politics/Polling/release_126.xml

That's right, all they had to do to produce the desired result was over-sample demoscats. But that's no where near real world. IT IS designed to convince Republicans that Romney can't win...so stay home, it's hopeless. Hahahahaha

Btw, the CNN poll is even worse...the worst. Naturally, their poll shows O'Bomber leading too.

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posted September 11, 2012 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
has anyone hear heard about how "circumstantial evidence" is not admissible in court? do you understand WHY?

if they oversampled dems why is the largest group "independents"?

an inquiring mind is essential if you want to find the truth. but those who have already made up their minds will rarely get there.

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posted September 11, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rasmussen confirms Gallup, strong Obama bump

you posted on node's thread before your last post here, jwhop...so let's not pretend that gallup are only responding to intimidation.

especially since they have made public their complaint - 2+2 do not equal 32

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posted September 11, 2012 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
[b]Rasmussen confirms Gallup, strong Obama bump

you posted on node's thread before your last post here, jwhop...so let's not pretend that gallup are only responding to intimidation.

especially since they have made public their complaint - 2+2 do not equal 32[/B]



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posted September 17, 2012 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, so here's the proof the "so called news organizations" are pumping the polling results for O'Bomber.

They're over-sampling demoscats and under-sampling Republicans and Independents.

Of course, the game is to convince Republicans and Independents who would vote for Romney to stay home on election day...you see, it's hopeless.

Notice how far out of kilter these samples really are! Now, imagine what those same polls would look like if the 2010 actual voter turnout model were applied to the polls!

This Graph Shows Why Obama Is Ahead in the Polls
September 17, 2012

Ever since the arguably skewed CNN poll of a few weeks back, conservative voters have been looking at the methodology of polling companies with an increasing amount of skepticism. The fact that most polls have used a model that tries to mimic the voter turnout in 2008, when Democrats beat Republican turnout by 7 points (as opposed to presidential elections like 2004, where turnout between the two parties was relatively even), has not improved this state of affairs.

And now, the suspicion of poll bias appears to have yet one more piece of evidence to support it. Via a tweet by anonymous poll analyst Numbers Cruncher comes the following graph showing the degree of oversampling of Democrats employed by the most recent polls (all of which show Obama leading Romney):

Blogger keithbacker at Battleground Watch sums up the graph this way:

The real take-away which I have mentioned the times I blog national polls is that many of those national polls are HORRIBLE for Obama, namely the ABC/Washington Post and CBS/New York Times polls where you have large Democrat over-samplings but rather small leads for Obama. This means if Obama doesn’t meet or beat his stellar 2008 turnout advantage he’s in for a drubbing on election day...........
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-graph-shows-why-obama-is-ahead-in-the-polls/

So then, what happens on election day...if O'Bomber does get "drubbed"...in the face of all these skewed polls showing O'Bomber ahead?

Oh well, that's really easy to predict now isn't it?

We're all going to be treated to incessant whining, wheezing, screeching and shrieking that ROMNEY STOLE THE ELECTION.

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posted September 17, 2012 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why all over the news are reports of Romney "resetting" his campaign...

Nice try.

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posted September 17, 2012 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is that rasmussen's game then? when did they change horses?

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posted September 17, 2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I think Romney should get some different people in his campaign and really go after O'Bomber on his record.

Still....

Monday, September 17, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 45% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.
www.rasmussenreports.com

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posted September 17, 2012 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Electoral vote count:

305.6 Barack Obama
232.4 Mitt Romney

Chance of winning:

74.7% Barack Obama
25.3% Mitt Romney
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

The people of the world that would bet money on the outcome of the election show 66.1% favorable to Obama. http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474

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posted September 18, 2012 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, the NY Treason Times ran one of those over-sample demoscat polls in conjunction with CBS...a 6% over-sample to be exact. But hey, who's counting?

I mean, they had to do that to get the poll result they wanted. And, of course, the electoral vote count result they wanted to show.

The only unanswered question is how much of an under-count did they give Independents. In one of the CNN polls, they only sampled about 6% for Independents instead of the 37% they really are. Now that's the way to make a poll come out the way you want it to.

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posted September 18, 2012 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The smarter campaign team will win.

Lets say 100% of voters in States with a vast
majority of conservatives turnout and vote for Romney, this can give Romney a 51% popular vote share. It will not guarantee a victory if Obama scrapes through in the swing states.

And we still do not know how deep the resentment is towards Romney in Ron Paul and Rick Santorum supporters.

India opened up its FDI to American Giants this week, and this is a huge GDP and jobs boost to America. The Stock Markets are booming in both countries because of this.

Obama has a few more tricks up his sleeve like the above in October.

I predict a capture of a top Taliban and a top Al-Qaeda leader. And possibly a daring Op to capture the killers of Christopher Stevens.


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posted September 18, 2012 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you're expecting a big, big, big O'Bomber October Surprise IQ?

Devaluing the US dollar another half trillion dollars a year will give Americans a surprise in their wallets. And, the stock market better go up...just to account for the dollar devaluation.

On the other hand I find myself agreeing with you IQ...about campaign staffs.

For Romney to work his magic on the economy, on jobs, on energy, on trade and a variety of other issues, he has to first get elected.

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posted September 18, 2012 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Bomber could steal it. You KNOW he will try.

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posted September 18, 2012 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-lead-over-romney-narrows-5-points-reuters-010626775.html]http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-lead-over-romney-narrows-5-points-reuters-010626775.html

quote:
"In a shift in recent days, Americans also gave a small edge to Obama on the crucial topics of jobs and the economy, as they feel less nervous about economic conditions.

Thirty-seven percent of registered voters thought Obama had a better plan for the economy, compared with 34 percent who favored Romney on the issue. Obama led 36 percent to 35 percent on the issue in a poll released last Thursday.

Forty percent backed Obama on jobs and employment, compared with 36 percent who favored Romney."


I can't figure this out

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posted September 18, 2012 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The polls are lying imo and many other educated and respected voices.

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