posted September 14, 2012 12:13 PM            

obama hasn't apologized to anyone, he has continually spoken of his - and our - belief in religious and speech freedom for US citizens AND others.

that doesn't make it SMART to post inflammatory disgusting material that is SURE to get a rise from radical muslims, and LIKELY to outrage even MODERATES, those we NEED ON OUR SIDE...

but no, make it an occasion to hate on obama, that will really solve things. romney can say what he wants, but when he goes on national broadcasts to undermine the current government, and in the process messes with negotiations to decrease soviet WMD...this is a major blunder if not treason for his own personal political gain, and glad to see, it is a major backfire all around the country and world.

chris stevens was perfectly qualified and capable of making his own statement about this film, and he called it as it was.

CONDEMNING HATRED AIMED AT INFLAMING the situation is hardly an "APOLOGY".

posted September 14, 2012 12:39 PM            

he was also no dummy about the nature of the political animal and system.

romney, whose only political stint was in the state he doesn't dare campaign in, is still the unapologetic bully who needed four friends to hold down one boy whose hair was not boring enough for the conformist majority at his upperclass school.

posted September 14, 2012 03:02 PM            

Yeah, O'Bomber and his far left loon followers believe in religious liberty for everyone..unless of course you happen to be an American Catholic. And in that case O'Bomber and his loony-leftist followers believe they can make you trash your religious beliefs and do as they tell you. Nice, very nice.

Romney told the truth. Too bad O'Bomber and his leftist Kool-Aid swilling followers aren't up to hearing the truth.

O'Bomber is a foreign policy disaster for America and that becomes more clear every day. Coddle and appease our enemies and confuse and alienate our friends. Wow.

We're still dealing with the foreign policy messes of Jimmy Carter.

posted September 14, 2012 03:14 PM            

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Perhaps you've forgotten O'Bomber's "Apology Tour" where he apologized for America to everyone who stood still long enough for him to get it all out katatonic..but the rest of us sure as hell haven't forgotten it.

Yeah, O'Bomber and his far left loon followers believe in religious liberty for everyone..unless of course you happen to be an American Catholic. And in that case O'Bomber and his loony-leftist followers believe they can make you trash your religious beliefs and do as they tell you. Nice, very nice.

Romney told the truth. Too bad O'Bomber and his leftist Kool-Aid swilling followers aren't up to hearing the truth.

O'Bomber is a foreign policy disaster for America and that becomes more clear every day. Coddle and appease our enemies and confuse and alienate our friends. Wow.

We're still dealing with the foreign policy messes of Jimmy Carter.

I wonder how many American Presidents will have to deal with the fires O'Bomber is starting around the world.

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posted September 14, 2012 06:04 PM            

fact of the matter is america has taken the role of protector of the underprivileged far beyond that actual dynamic, and used it as an excuse to try to install governments that will be agreeable to us, whether the people of those lands wanted OUR way of life or not.

this was true of our support of the shah, and our assistance in the deposing of many regimes around the world, all of which were huge advantages to commercial interests of american companies.

the contraception thing is another false flag which demonstrates that the dems are not the only ones to distort the truth in their own interests.

posted September 14, 2012 07:01 PM            

Yeah Ami, anything that makes O'Bomber look like the dunce he is goes immediately into the usual suspects memory black-hole to be forever forgotten.

posted September 14, 2012 07:06 PM            

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Right and all those reports of Ambassador Stevens body being dragged through the streets by the mob and defiled are fiction. Right?

Because we have it on the good authority of an O'Bomber rag..New Yorker mag and a Libyan doctor? Hello!

Stevens went missing for some time and that is a fact. This was a planned and coordinated attack and that is a fact. The O'Bomber administration had at least 48 hours advance notice American Embassies and Consulates were going to be attacked. That is a fact. O'Bomber did not beef up security at US Embassies or US Missions or Consulates and that is a fact. 4 US State Dept officials are dead, one, an Ambassador are dead and that's a fact. There are reports that personnel were not even notified of possible pending attacks on the anniversary of 9/11.

There's a hell of a lot of people who are trying very hard to absolve O'Bomber of all responsibility, his buds in the drooling O'Bomber press, his Kool-Aid swilling supporters, here, at the huffington-puffington post and elsewhere who want to make Romney the problem or some preacher with an Internet film which came out 6 months ago.

That's not going to fly. The buck for foreign policy blunders...and this is a foreign policy blunder of the first order..stops at the desk in the Oval Office where O'Bomber sits.

Perhaps if O'Bomber just apologized for the US antagonizing bin Laden into attacking the US on 9/11 and then making the further mistake of killing bin Laden, the terrorists would be mollified and we could all have a group hug and be friends.

Oh wait, I get it now. Romney is the problem.

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posted September 15, 2012 11:39 AM            

So, what's next from the lands of the perpetually aggrieved and insulted?

Could it be demands will be made that O'Bomber prohibit women from appearing in public in short skirts or maybe women's faces will need to be covered in public or maybe they'll be offended and insulted by our sexually suggestive or outright sexual movies or even television commercials.

Hey ladies, no more bikinis or suntans for you. And why bother? No guy is ever going to see that glorious tan anyway.

You see, once you start down Apology Road there's no end of things O'Bomber could apology for about America...to the perpetually aggrieved and insulted.

The Video Didn’t Do It
Sep 24, 2012
LEE SMITH

It was bad enough, two years ago, that Defense Secretary Robert Gates called fringe Florida pastor Terry Jones to ask him not to burn copies of the Koran, or last week, that chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Martin Dempsey took his turn to call Jones to ask him to stop publicizing a YouTube video, The Innocence of Muslims. But then on Friday, White House spokesman Jay Carney told the world that the violent protests in Cairo and Ben­ghazi and elsewhere were a “response not to United States policy, and not obviously the administration or the American people,” but were “in response to a video, a film we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.” Carney repeated the point for emphasis: “This is not a case of protests directed at the United States at large or at U.S. policy, but in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims.”

Carney’s comments lie outside the range of plausible spin, even by Obama administration standards, and if his bosses believe them—as we fear they do—are simply delusional. But they are not without consequence. Nor are Gates’s and Dempsey’s phone calls. They all send the message to America’s enemies that if you kill our diplomats and lay siege to the our embassies, the first move the American government will make is to denounce .  .  . Americans. Our leaders apparently believe that the way to protect Americans from extremists and terrorists abroad is to tell other Americans to shut up.

What’s next? Where does it go from here? There are more than 300 million ways in which Americans expressing themselves might give offense to those who make it their business to be offended. Maybe it’s some other film, maybe it’s a book or even just a tossed-off phrase that our enemies might seize on to galvanize support for their causes. Is the White House going to put every American crank on speed-dial so it can tell them to shut up whenever a mob gathers outside a U.S. embassy or consulate?

It’s worth noting that virtually every description in our media of the movie that is supposed to have touched off the protests was attended by various aesthetic qualifiers—laughable, crude, amateurish—as if the mobs and their organizers were motivated by considerations of artistic craft. Let’s recall that similar murderous campaigns of terror were waged to protest Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses, at the direction of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Would the editorial boards and newsrooms of our leading media debate the merits of White House officials warning prestige novelists to keep their mouths shut lest they anger extremists?

The Constitution was not written on behalf of poets and philosophers and film producers but to enshrine the rights of all citizens. Since 9/11 and our ensuing engagements in the Middle East, there have been appropriate occasions during which the American people have debated how the so-called clash of civilizations might be ameliorated. This is not one of those occasions.

To debate the right of an American to criticize religion does not indicate sophisticated sensitivity to the feelings of others but a willingness to turn tail and abandon our principles at the first sign of a fight. And to take seriously the notion that all those riots and attacks are about a video, not about American principles and power and policy, is silly.

What we have seen unfold in the Middle East over the last week is what distinguishes the region’s societies from our own. The protests in Cairo and Benghazi were not really about the film, the preacher, or Muslim sensitivities. They were an exercise in raw power politics, partly aimed at intramural rivals in the Arab political sphere, but mainly against the United States.

If the reaction of U.S. officials in the face of such an assault is to “condemn .  .  . efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims” (the initial response of the U.S. embassy in Cairo) and to try to silence individual citizens, there is good reason for the terrorists to believe that, with more acts of terror, they will also change American policies. The unpleasant fact is that the Obama administration has encouraged our adversaries to keep at it.

President Obama believed that to maintain “credibility with the Arab states,” as he once told a group of Jewish leaders, he had to put some daylight between ourselves and Israel. His administration sought desperately to “engage” Iran and Syria, two state sponsors of terror that have been killing Americans for decades. The same Joint Chiefs chairman who told journalists in London that he doesn’t want to be “complicit” in any Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities now advises an American citizen to stop alienating Muslim mobs.

A president who began his tenure by going to Cairo to say he considered it his “responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear” should not be surprised that the U.S. embassy in Cairo tweets similar apologetics while it is under siege.

It would be nice to have an American administration that stood up for America, for its people and its principles. It would also make the world far less dangerous for Americans—and for decent people of all faiths.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/video-didn-t-do-it_652387.html?page=1

posted September 15, 2012 11:52 AM            

that someone had the bad taste and stupidity to put out an inflammatory anti-muslim film for the anniversary of 9/11, in the year AFTER bin laden was taken out, doesn't surprise me, nor does the predictable reaction.

coincidentally and symbolically one attack, like a match set to a fuse, has set off a spate of violence against the us, who are seen by those they impose their will on as TERRORISTS. the fact that you can't put yourself in your enemies' shoes is not their fault but your failing.

the fact that romney apparently thinks, like you, that threatening a whole country for the sake of scaring a few cretins is good foreign policy? yes, that makes romney the problem for the minute.

and it makes the ACTUAL SITTING GOVERNMMENT'S job that much harder in a tricky situation.

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posted September 15, 2012 01:15 PM            

When someone says to me...I can kill you...I will kill you, my God says to kill you because you don't accept my god as your god.

My response to that is to put a bullet in that head..pronto..and I don't need to understand that person and I'm not even going to make an attempt to understand that person's point of view. Got it?

Just "saying"..I'm going to kill you...is sufficient reason for that person to get dead..fast.

posted September 15, 2012 01:57 PM            

bush even described his motives as "crusades" just like the crusaders of the middle ages who plundered islam in the name of god...

the spaniards destroyed the very tolerant muslim/moorish civilization and replaced it with the Inquisition.

who is blameless here? how will we end it by taking a head for every threat?

posted September 15, 2012 02:11 PM            

it is time for america to realize it is PART of the WHOLE. that doesn't mean we have to grovel, but it does mean we have to allow other nations their own sovereignty.

posted September 15, 2012 03:08 PM            

I'll wait right here...impatiently for your reply.

Oh, and don't even bother to say Iraq in 1991. Saddam was not an Islamic anything. Saddam was secular to the nth degree.

Oh, and Saddam had invaded an Islamic nation...Kuwait and to protect an Islamic nation, the US and more than 30 non-Islamic allies kicked Saddam's secular ass.

posted September 16, 2012 11:08 AM            

Just stop buying their oil, ask Aramco and others to shut shop, sell assets and get back home.

Mahatma Gandhi would advise exactly this, total non-cooperation with countries that preach hatred towards USA. Let them pay for hatred by losing business.

This is a solution without any bloodshed.

posted September 16, 2012 11:32 AM            

Let me tell you why Gandhi got away with his "peaceful protests". One reason and one reason only.

Gandhi was dealing with an inherently decent people..the British.

Gandhi meet Stalin, meet Mao, meet Castro, meet Kim Il Sung or his loathsome son Kim Jong Il, meet Pol Pot.

Bang Gandhi, you're dead. Period, end of the story.

Oh, and IQ, given your support for O'Bomber, your theory of not doing business with Muslim nations in the middle east for their oil makes NO SENSE.

It's O'Bomber who shut down Gulf Oil Production. It's O'Bomber who shut down the Keystone XL Pipeline project. It's O'Bomber who doesn't want oil exploration or production off the east or west coast of the US. It's O'Bomber who doesn't want oil exploration or production in the Bering Sea or in ANWAR and it's O'Bomber who has slowed oil exploration and production on federal land to a trickle during his failed administration.

posted September 17, 2012 05:18 AM            

Two examples:

1. Jalianwala Bagh Massacare: 3000 civilian casualties and thousands injured. Unarmed men, women and children shot mercilessly by British Troops during a festival day. Very very "decent" behavior. Bet they did not tell about this incident to you in your Sunday School when "Thou Shalt Not Murder" was being taught

2. Calcutta Famine: Forced by the British to grow only Indigo and Cotton crops for export to England, millions of Indians in the Bengal Region died of starvation. Food crops were not imported to offset the shortage.
Very decent, the British.

Mao, Polpot, Stalin etc were monsters, true, but they were cannibals who killed their own people. The British Colonial Era Monsters INVADED innocent nations and pillaged trillions of pounds of wealth, and their forced famines killed more than 28 million in Indian alone.

Had Gandhi not used his methods, they would have finished off a hundred million more Indians using "Divide and Rule" and "Problem-Reaction-Solution" tactics.

I have not started about their total killings in Africa. And these are all Bible following Christians I am talking about. To this day, the victims of the British do not blame the Bible nor Christianity. A shame you cannot learn that lesson in secularism form the oppressed, that it is not the faith which is wicked bu the people who choose to be wicked.

You condemn 9-11 rightfully, we all do. But when did you spend one teardrop for the atrocities for profit committed by the British, Americans and Catholics around the world since the 16th century?

Today, 8 innocent women were killed in a NATO Air Raid. If you fail to empathize with their grieving families just because they are not Americans, then you are no different from the Islamic Radicals who we all condemn, cutting across religions.

When you fail to condemn atrocities on all human beings with equanimity, you start losing your own humanity.

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posted September 17, 2012 10:01 AM            

You need to open your eyes to see the big picture IQ. Think about how far and how fast India came into the modern world of concepts of government, law, administration and education.

There was a quid pro quo at work for sure. I never said the British didn't extract a price or that it was all peace and love.

I said Gandhi was dealing with the British, who are an inherently decent people and not any of the murderous communist dictators who would have simply killed him.

And IQ, don't attempt to lecture me on British colonialism. You forget yourself if you believe we in America don't know or have forgotten America was once a British colony.

You will find a list of our own grievances against the British King laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

Hmmm charmainec, how do you account for the fact that South Africa has a Parliamentary Republican form of Government, a mix of Dutch Mercantile and English Common Law and the biggest economy in Africa?

I mean charmainec, South Africa had the chance to copy Angola or Rwanda or Somalia or Sudan or Uganda or Zimbabwe...or any other, but chose to go the way of those terrible Dutch and British!

posted September 17, 2012 11:05 AM            

That with any model of government, law and economics in the world from which to choose, why did South Africans CHOOSE to emulate those terrible British and Dutch?

posted September 17, 2012 01:38 PM            

somewhere was a post about how reagan bombed the infidel into inaction for 25 years, well, there were worse attacks on embassies of ours much less than 25 years later, and 9/11 was the culmination of years of resentment at our bully tactics...

we don't need any more bullying World Powers, we need people around the world to be EMPOWERED not USED for the profit of whomever has the most organized military of the time.

the british people may be inherently decent but the same has NOT been true of ANY colonial forces whether in india, ireland, or america.

posted September 18, 2012 12:44 PM            

WASHINGTON | Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:33pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Mitt Romney's reeling campaign hit more trouble on Tuesday after new video surfaced showing him saying that Palestinians do not want peace and a resolution of their conflict with Israel was not possible.

"I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and these thorny issues, and I say there's just no way," Romney said in the secretly recorded video of a closed-door May fundraiser in Florida.

The images are the second from a video of the event that was published by liberal magazine Mother Jones. Romney was already in damage control from the first, which showed him describing President Barack Obama's supporters as victims who are too dependent on government and unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives.

Romney held a Monday night news conference in California to try to contain the damage from the video but did not back away from the remarks about Obama supporters, which raised fresh questions about the competence and direction of his campaign to boot Obama from the White House.

"It's not elegantly stated, let me put it that way," Romney said. "I'm speaking off the cuff in response to a question."

The video capped a difficult two-week period for Romney, who has fallen slightly behind Obama in opinion polls, taken heavy criticism for a hasty attack on the president during assaults on U.S. compounds in Egypt and Libya and faced a damaging Politico story about infighting in his campaign team.

Obama's campaign team pounced to criticize the video.

"It's extremely troubling that you're running to be the president of the United States but you've written off half of the country," Obama campaign adviser Stephanie Cutter said on MSNBC.

The missteps overshadowed an effort by Romney's campaign to roll out more policy specifics and a set of new TV ads to address rising criticism and worries from Republicans concerned he is losing ground to Obama.

posted September 18, 2012 12:54 PM            

What I said had nothing to do with the US and everything to do with Britain and the Dutch.

posted September 18, 2012 01:35 PM            

In fact, Arafat's boys have sabotaged every effort at peace over the years and Hamas still holds firm to their charter which denies the right of Israel to exist as a nation.

So yeah, let the usual suspects wheeze, whine, screech and shriek that Romney has made a "foreign policy blunder" but Romney has stated a manifest truth.

TS babies.