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AcousticGod
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posted September 12, 2012 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First:

Putin: I'm 'grateful' to Romney for proving me right about missile defense

Putin said yesterday that Romney's latest comments about Russia as the US's 'geopolitical foe' validate the Kremlin's resistance to American plans for a missile defense system in Europe.

By Fred Weir, Correspondent / September 12, 2012

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President Vladimir Putin has lashed back at Mitt Romney's repetitious portrayal of Russia as the US's "geopolitical foe," saying he's grateful to the Republican contender for making it clear that Moscow would be unwise to trust any future verbal commitments made by any US leader.

Mr. Putin was referring to the strategic deadlock between Russia and the US over European missile defense, a problem President Barack Obama had asked him to stop talking about – in an embarrassing open mic conversation caught during a conversation in Seoul last March – until after the November US election.

In his speech at the Republican convention earlier this month, Mr. Romney accused Mr. Obama of letting down US ally Poland by shelving Bush-era plans for comprehensive missile defense installations in eastern Europe, and insisted a Romney administration would show Putin "less flexibility and more backbone."

On a US radio show on Monday, Romney doubled down, outlining several ways in which he regarded Moscow as a bad actor on the international stage, and repeated his view that Russia is a "geopolitical adversary" of the US.

"I'm grateful to [Romney] for formulating his stance so clearly, because he has once again proven the correctness of our approach to missile defense problems," Putin told journalists Tuesday.

"The most important thing for us is that even if he doesn't win now, he or a person with similar views may come to power in four years. We must take that into consideration while dealing with security issues for a long perspective," he added.

Putin has been arguing for some time that the US is not dealing fairly with Russia, and is seeking to achieve "absolute invulnerability" in its strategic efforts at the expense of everyone else.

But he has never before implicitly called Obama's credibility into question as a reliable partner. Indeed, in an interview with the Kremlin-funded RT network last week, Putin expressed a preference for Obama to win over Romney precisely because he believes that would make a deal on missile defense more likely.

"That Mr. Romney considers us to be enemy No. 1 and apparently has bad feelings about Russia is a minus, but, considering that he expresses himself bluntly, openly and clearly, means that he is an open and sincere man, which is a plus," Putin said. "If he is elected president of the US, certainly we will work with him as an elected head of state."

But Romney's tough rhetoric – though it may be largely election sloganeering – does appear to be making what could be a lasting negative impact in Russia's policy-making community, if only by validating pre-existing stereotypes about US hawks.

"[What Romney is saying] is exactly what our generals have been telling us all along, that all these American strategic moves is really aimed against us," says Andrei Klimov, deputy chair of the State Duma's international affairs commission.

"Romney has opened our eyes to the intrigues of American hawks, including the Pentagon and others. Maybe he intends it as election rhetoric, but isn't he expressing what the voters want to hear?" Mr. Klimov says.

"If this is what half of American voters think, then how are we to plan our strategy for years ahead? Romney really has helped us by clearing the fog away from our eyes," he adds.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0912/Putin-I-m-grateful-to-Romney-for-proving-me-right-about-missile-defense

Not even in office, and he's already damaging our station in the world.

Now:

Romney under friendly fire for his response to embassy attack in Libya

By Holly Bailey, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 2 hrs 54 mins ago

Will Mitt Romney's hasty response to the deadly attacks on the American diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya go down as the misstep that doomed his campaign to unseat President Barack Obama?

The Republican presidential candidate came under fire from Republicans and Democrats on Wednesday for politicizing the outbreak of deadly violence in the Middle East, including the breaching of the American Embassy in Cairo and an attack on the American Consulate in Libya, which claimed the life of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other diplomatic workers.

Romney released a scathing statement on Tuesday night blasting the Obama administration for its "disgraceful" response to the attacks. The statement was at first embargoed until after midnight in order to avoid publicly criticizing Obama on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks but then was released anyway. In the statement, which came just hours before Stevens was confirmed to be among those killed, Romney suggested the White House had chosen to "sympathize with those who waged the attacks" instead of condemning the attackers.

Romney was referring to a statement issued by the American Embassy in Cairo condemning an obscure anti-Muslim YouTube video that had set off the demonstrations. But the embassy's statement had been an effort to head off the violence—not released after the assaults on American diplomatic missions, as Romney's statement suggested.

Steve Schmidt, who managed John McCain's 2008 campaign, told Yahoo News that Romney's decision to stand behind his initial criticism of Obama could damage his image with voters.

"For people who are running for president, this is a test where people evaluate their mettle as commander in chief, and the Romney campaign put out a statement before the facts were in that politicized the matter and gratuitously attacked the administration for something they did not do," Schmidt said. "The decision to double down on the initial mistake has put them into a potentially very dangerous political situation. During a foreign policy crisis, you can't build a position on a foundation of politics. … The situation remains serious, it's volatile and Romney is appearing to be very political."

The danger for Romney is that his response to the Middle East attacks feeds into a consensus among the news media that his campaign to unseat Obama is in serious trouble. For the fourth time in recent months, prominent conservatives have gone public with fretting over the direction of Romney's campaign—a panic set off most recently by conservative radio host Laura Ingraham's suggestion Monday that if Romney can't beat Obama then the Republican Party should be "shut down." On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal editorial board piled on, suggesting Romney could lose the election because he's been too vague when it comes to explaining his policies.

"Mistakes like this happen when a campaign begins to feel under pressure," Schmidt told Yahoo News. "The Democrats had a more successful convention, the president's opened up a lead in the polls, there's been a lot of criticism by conservative commentators about campaign strategy. … They acted too quickly, too rashly, too politically—looking obviously for a way to change the narrative, the dynamic in the race."

A senior Romney aide, who declined to be named, dismissed the idea that the Republican candidate had been damaged by his response to the attacks in Libya and Egypt. The aide insisted to Yahoo News that the election would likely come down to an "overall referendum" on Obama's performance in office—including on foreign policy and the economy. "'Are you better off than you were four years ago?' is the question that will determine the election," the Romney aide said.

Romney did not back off his criticism of the Obama administration Wednesday at a hastily arranged press conference in Florida. "It's a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values," Romney told reporters. "It's never too early for the U.S. government to condemn attacks on Americans and defend our values. ... When our grounds are being attacked, being breached, the first response of the United States must be outrage."

It was an uncharacteristically aggressive stance from Romney, who has largely kept his campaign focused on the economy. And it was an offensive that was not matched by Romney's allies on Capitol Hill or within the foreign policy community—many of whom did not respond to requests from Yahoo News to comment on the record about Romney's response.

McCain, the 2008 Republican nominee who has not shied from criticizing Obama on foreign policy issues, did not mention the president in a joint statement with Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut on the attacks—choosing instead to condemn the attackers. Just before Romney took the mic at his press conference, McCain posted a message on Twitter praising a public statement from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, saying she had adopted the "right message and tone." Asked by Yahoo News whether he agrees with Romney's response, McCain's office did not respond to a request for comment.

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who has campaigned with Romney and spoke at the Republican National Convention that nominated Romney for president, also didn't embrace Romney's criticism against Obama—focusing her statement instead on the "tragic loss of life." A spokeswoman for Rice did not respond to a request for comment from Yahoo News about whether Rice agreed with Romney's response.

Romney did have defenders, including Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina—who issued a statement calling Romney's response "absolutely right"—and Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, who penned an op-ed declaring "Romney Is Right."

But their efforts were largely overshadowed by other members of Team Romney who didn't agree with the candidate's response. Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, a top Romney surrogate, told National Journal's Major Garrett that the campaign "probably should have waited" to issue its response. Meanwhile, Tom Ridge, a Romney ally who served as secretary of Homeland Security under former President George W. Bush, disputed Romney's suggestion that Obama was sympathizing with the enemy. "I don't think President Obama sympathizes with those who attacked us," Ridge told the liberal site Think Progress. "I don't think any American does."

And plenty of anonymous Republicans immediately pounced, with one "very senior Republican foreign policy hand" telling BuzzFeed's Ben Smith it was Romney's "Lehman moment"—a reference to McCain's bungling of the looming financial crisis during the 2008 campaign.

Foreign policy has been a tricky issue for Romney. While he has sought to assume the advantage on the issue by playing up Obama's tense relationship with Israel and other American allies, he has come under criticism for his own murky foreign policy stances—including his position on the war in Afghanistan. Romney took an overseas trip in July that was meant to burnish his foreign policy credentials and cast himself as a statesman in the eyes of voters, but it was largely overshadowed by the candidate's verbal miscues. More recently, he came under criticism for failing to mention Afghanistan in his speech at the Republican National Convention—an oversight he sought to remedy on the 9/11 anniversary with a speech praising members of the military. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-under-friendly-fire-response-libyan-embassy-attack-213729383--election.html

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posted September 12, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahahaha Attempting to use Putin as a crutch to prop O'Bomber up is simply pathetic acoustic.

Putin is the guy who convinced your empty headed little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber to renege on the missile shield agreement with Poland and the Czech Republic without getting a damned thing in return from Putin.

Wow acoustic, you're really reaching here.

O'Bomber's foreign policy blunders are legion, known and very visible. He's a weak kneed little know nothing and of course Putin wants O'Bomber re-elected.

Putin sure as hell doesn't want Mitt Romney or anyone else who actually knows what he's doing and has the best interests of the United States at heart elected president of the United States.

Putin wants O'Bomber!

I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Libya, the revolting little madman in Iran, the murderous tyrant Assad in Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah and any number of other tyrants want O'Bomber re-elected and sure as hell don't want to have to deal with Romney.

They all just love an appeasing little empty headed Marxist twit running around the world apologizing for America...like the O'Bomber administration just did from the American Embassy in Cairo. That sure worked out well, now didn't it?

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posted September 12, 2012 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I was reaching you wouldn't need to try to spin the information in some way that you'd consider favorable to your own position. I'm reporting what's been widely reported. There is no doubt that these statements from Putin weaken our hand. There's no way to twist your way out of that inconvenient little truth.

There was no apology with regard to Cairo either, and that's not simply my opinion, but also the opinion of your favorite journalists: Politifact.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/sep/12/romney-says-us-embassy-statement-was-apology-was-i/

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posted September 12, 2012 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Hahahaha Attempting to use Putin as a crutch to prop O'Bomber up is simply pathetic acoustic.

Putin is the guy who convinced your empty headed little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber to renege on the missile shield agreement with Poland and the Czech Republic without getting a damned thing in return from Putin.

Wow acoustic, you're really reaching here.

O'Bomber's foreign policy blunders are legion, known and very visible. He's a weak kneed little know nothing and of course Putin wants O'Bomber re-elected.

Putin sure as hell doesn't want Mitt Romney or anyone else who actually knows what he's doing and has the best interests of the United States at heart elected president of the United States.

Putin wants O'Bomber!

I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Libya, the revolting little madman in Iran, the murderous tyrant Assad in Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah and any number of other tyrants want O'Bomber re-elected and sure as hell don't want to have to deal with Romney.

They all just love an appeasing little empty headed Marxist twit running around the world apologizing for America...like the O'Bomber administration just did from the American Embassy in Cairo. That sure worked out well, now didn't it?



I am so glad you are a reality check, Jwhop. The world is freaking spinning out of control
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posted September 12, 2012 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Mitt is a plant, and he is intentionally throwing the game...

I'm starting to wonder if that ain't a joke after his performance the last 24 hrs.

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posted September 12, 2012 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Acoustic, you simply don't know what the hell you're talking about...and neither does your favorite O'Bomber prop-up artists at...politi-fact-less-dot-barf.

“The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,”sic...unless they're US Catholics and then we can hurt their feelings and make them abandon their religious beliefs.

By god acoustic, every where in the known universe, this is an apology. Tell the block-heads at politi-fact-less-dot-barf this is an apology because the "misguided individuals" these appeasment monkeys are talking about and apologizing for are US CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES who are exercising their 1st Amendment rights to free speech in the United States. Got that Acoustic?

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posted September 13, 2012 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only the misguided need to be told things. You've been told.

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posted September 13, 2012 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Talk about misguided.

O'Bomber has an apology for free speech in America issued from our Cairo Embassy and US sovereignty is almost immediately violated there. The sovereignty of our Embassy in Libya is violated, our Ambassador is killed along with a couple of other US citizen..staff and today, there's more radical Muslim mobs attacking US Embassies in the Middle East.

Now acoustic, just who in the hell do you say is "misguided"? Are you high or just living in a fairyland disconnected from reality?

If I thought you could find your ears, I'd suggest you use them to pull your head out of your ass.

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posted September 13, 2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's difficult talking to someone so out of touch with reality. Maybe you should spend more time educating yourself on what's going on in the world, and less trying to conform reality into what you think is happening or has happened.

Obviously no apology was made, and there simply isn't any rational discussion to be had with a person that wants to believe otherwise.

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those who live in fear will join job in bringing upon them that which they fear. those who believe that man - though "made in god's image" - is inherently evil, will ever be seeking to protect themselves from the reflection of themselves they see in others.

if you insist on seeing the rest of the world as your enemy, you will continue to act in such a way as to MAKE them your enemy.

"do unto others as you would have done unto you"

do you really want other countries coming here and throwing their weight around? keep daring them to do so.

if the US is not trusted by the rest of the world, it is not because we are TOO NICE. quite the contrary.

if this is a christian nation, when is it going to start acting christian?

obama did not mandate birth control for catholics. he mandated the CHOICE of birth control for those EMPLOYED by catholics. and if the catholics want to continue to employ the best people regardless of their religion, it is not infringing on their rights to insist they not infringe on the rights of their employees.

romney is doing his level best to undermine this administration and, it seems, he is doing a bloody good job of it. might makes right is the philosophy of cowards and bullies.

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posted September 13, 2012 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, perhaps there's another take on this altogether.

Perhaps our embassies were not attacked over a film at all.

O'Bomber and demoscats spent 4 days on national television spiking the ball over killing bin Laden and must have crowed about it at least a zillion times.

bin Laden was a hero to these radical Islamics and here's O'Bomber crowing about killing their hero..and not just crowing about it once but over and over and over and over. And not a speech goes by when O'Bomber doesn't crow about it some more.

Perhaps these Islamic radicals had a psychotic event, snapped and attacked our embassies. That makes more sense than attacking US embassies over a film. If the film was the cause, then I could see a hit team going after that pastor..or christian curches burned or American citizens killed but no, that's not what happened. The symbols of America in those countries were attacked...our embassies and O'Bomber is symbolically the leader of the US...and it was O'Bomber who's been crowing about killing their hero bin Laden.

But, the "smartest president in the history of the United States" should have been smart enough to have seen this coming, now shouldn't he have? And, the "smartest president in the history of the United States" shouldn't have been so stupid as to have disarmed our Marines who are guarding our embassies overseas!

And, the "smartest president in the history of the United States" should know that apologizing for America only makes him look like a weak kneed little twit in the eyes Islamic radicals in the Middle East. Yet, that's exactly what the "smartest president in the history of the United States" did from our embassy in Cairo. And, the result was predictible.

And, of course, Mitt Romney has it exactly right. In comparison to O'Bomber on foreign affairs, Romney looks like a Mensa member and O'Bomber looks like a dunce.

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posted September 13, 2012 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Well, perhaps there's another take on this altogether.

Perhaps our embassies were not attacked over a film at all.

O'Bomber and demoscats spent 4 days on national television spiking the ball over killing bin Laden and must have crowed about it at least a zillion times.

bin Laden was a hero to these radical Islamics and here's O'Bomber crowing about killing their hero..and not just crowing about it once but over and over and over and over. And not a speech goes by when O'Bomber doesn't crow about it some more.

Perhaps these Islamic radicals had a psychotic event, snapped and attacked our embassies. That makes more sense than attacking US embassies over a film. If the film was the cause, then I could see a hit team going after that pastor..or christian curches burned or American citizens killed but no, that's not what happened. The symbols of America in those countries were attacked...our embassies and O'Bomber is symbolically the leader of the US...and it was O'Bomber who's been crowing about killing their hero bin Laden.

But, the "smartest president in the history of the United States" should have been smart enough to have seen this coming, now shouldn't he have? And, the "smartest president in the history of the United States" shouldn't have been so stupid as to have disarmed our Marines who are guarding our embassies overseas!

And, the "smartest president in the history of the United States" should know that apologizing for America only makes him look like a weak kneed little twit in the eyes Islamic radicals in the Middle East. Yet, that's exactly what the "smartest president in the history of the United States" did from our embassy in Cairo. And, the result was predictible.

And, of course, Mitt Romney has it exactly right. In comparison to O'Bomber on foreign affairs, Romney looks like a Mensa member and O'Bomber looks like a dunce.


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posted September 13, 2012 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What utter nonsense. Virtually everything you posit is lacking in any sort of intellectual credibility. You demonstrate a keen lack of knowledge of what occurred. There weren't unarmed Marines protecting the Ambassador. There may not have been U.S. Marines at all. Unarmed U.S. Marines that we know of were disarmed at the bequest of the Ambassador to Egypt, not Obama.

    Senior U.S. officials decline to discuss it, but it’s clear there were no U.S. Marines protecting U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and his beleaguered staff at the Benghazi consulate Tuesday night. Marines are routinely posted to U.S. diplomatic outposts around the world, but the “interim” facility in Benghazi apparently was defended only by a handful of U.S. security officers and local hires. The Marines have let it be known that the two unidentified U.S. officials who died at Benghazi were not Marines.

    ...

    There’s a disquieting report in Thursday morning’s NightWatch blog that claims the Marines 700 miles away in Cairo were barred from carrying live ammunition as the U.S. Embassy in Egypt came under attack:

    [U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.

    …reports John McCreary, a former veteran Defense Intelligence Agency analyst. Well, Battleland can’t find those blogs; we’ve asked McCreary for them, and also asked the Marines and State Department to respond to what he is reporting.

    Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/whats-worse-no-marines-or-possibly-unarme d-marines/#ixzz26NsqAOuh


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    The consulate attack illustrated the breakdown in security in Libya, where the government is still trying to establish authority months after Gadhafi's fall.

    There also were indications that two distinct attacks took place , one on the consulate, then a second hours later early Wednesday on a nearby house to which the staff had been evacuated.

    The crowd of several thousand that descended on the consulate was armed with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, said Wanis el-Sharef, the deputy interior minister of Libya's eastern region.

    A small contingent of Libyan security protecting the facility fired in the air, trying to intimidate the mob. But faced with superior size and firepower, the Libyan security withdrew, el-Sharef said. Gunmen stormed the building, looted its contents and torched it, he said.

    Details of how the Americans were killed were still unclear.

    Stevens, 52, and a consulate staffer who had stayed behind in the building died in the initial attack, el-Sharef said. The rest of the staff successfully evacuated to a nearby building, preparing to move to Benghazi Airport after daybreak to fly to the capital of Tripoli, he said.

    Hours after the storming of the consulate, a separate group of gunmen attacked the other building, opening fire on the more than 30 Americans and Libyans inside. Two more Americans were killed, he said. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/169547176.html?cmpid=15585797


When you lie this absurdly, it's a wonder why ANYONE anywhere pays attention to your nonsense.

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posted September 13, 2012 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Marines in the Cairo Embassy were most certainly unarmed...had no live ammo ace.

So once again you can't find your own ass...just like your little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber.

If it comes down to believing you, your little Marxist Messiah, one of his lying mouthpieces or United States Marines acoustic, I'll take the word of the Marines every single time.

Report: Marines Guarding U.S. Embassy in Cairo Were Barred From Carrying Live Ammo
September 13, 2012
Madeleine Morgenstern

Marines guarding the U.S. Embassy in Cairo were reportedly barred from carrying live ammunition and therefore ill-equipped to defend it from attack earlier this week, according to the U.S. national security newsletter NightWatch:

“[U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

The State Department did not immediately return a request for comment from TheBlaze about the NightWatch report Thursday afternoon.

Time magazine’s Battleland blog reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi.”

Egyptian protesters on Tuesday scaled the wall of the U.S. Embassy and brought down the U.S. flag, replacing it with a black Islamist flag that stated: “There is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God.” The protest was blamed on an anti-Islam film deemed offensive to the prophet Muhammad.

A similar mob attack broke out at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, culminating in the death of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other American diplomatic personnel. Reports have since circulated that the Libyan attack was planned in advance and timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr= slv8-hptb7&p=Marines%20guarding%20American%20embassies%20with%20unloaded%20weapons&type=

Once again, Mitt Romney proves to be right in foreign policy matters and as usual, O'Bomber proves to be a total f-up.

When Romney is president, bet you won't find any Marine guards at US embassies with unloaded weapons. Bet too, you won't find Islamic extremists storming US Embassies. They will know what to expect. Bullets in their heads...instead of an apology from the American prez.

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posted September 13, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You didn't hear anything from Marines. Quit posting inaccuracies already.

You read an article. Then you applied the unarmed Marine story to Libya where there wasn't a Marine guard (if someone can't find their ass here, it's clearly you). Only now are you getting your story in line with what I posted.

It's just disturbing post after disturbing post from you.

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posted September 13, 2012 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Marines in the Cairo Embassy were most certainly unarmed...had no live ammo ace.

So once again you can't find your own ass...just like your little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber.

If it comes down to believing you, your little Marxist Messiah, one of his lying mouthpieces or United States Marines acoustic, I'll take the word of the Marines every single time.

[b]Report: Marines Guarding U.S. Embassy in Cairo Were Barred From Carrying Live Ammo
September 13, 2012
Madeleine Morgenstern

Marines guarding the U.S. Embassy in Cairo were reportedly barred from carrying live ammunition and therefore ill-equipped to defend it from attack earlier this week, according to the U.S. national security newsletter NightWatch:

“[U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

The State Department did not immediately return a request for comment from TheBlaze about the NightWatch report Thursday afternoon.

Time magazine’s Battleland blog reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi.”

Egyptian protesters on Tuesday scaled the wall of the U.S. Embassy and brought down the U.S. flag, replacing it with a black Islamist flag that stated: “There is no God but God and Mohammed is the prophet of God.” The protest was blamed on an anti-Islam film deemed offensive to the prophet Muhammad.

A similar mob attack broke out at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, culminating in the death of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other American diplomatic personnel. Reports have since circulated that the Libyan attack was planned in advance and timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr= slv8-hptb7&p=Marines%20guarding%20American%20embassies%20with%20unloaded%20weapons&type=

Once again, Mitt Romney proves to be right in foreign policy matters and as usual, O'Bomber proves to be a total f-up.

When Romney is president, bet you won't find any Marine guards at US embassies with unloaded weapons. Bet too, you won't find Islamic extremists storming US Embassies. They will know what to expect. Bullets in their heads...instead of an apology from the American prez.[/B]



I am so discouraged about people's blindness. The worst person is the one who thinks we can "reason" with them, if we are only nice enough.

Maybe, if we throw them Israel, they will be appeased. People are so NON THINKING. Do you think if you throw them Israel, they will turn "nice"
They will do to you what they did to O'Bomber. They killed and sodomized his Ambassador.

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posted September 13, 2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I am so discouraged about people's blindness. The worst person is the one who thinks we can "reason" with them, if we are only nice enough.

Maybe, if we throw them Israel, they will be appeased. People are so NON THINKING. Do you think if you throw them Israel, they will turn "nice"
They will do to you what they did to O'Bomber. They killed and sodomized his Ambassador.


What?? That is in a news release ?

He was a U.S. ambassador not belonging to a "president". He worked for the American people.

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Tut, tut, tut acoustic...and YOU didn't hear anything from O'Bomber..about anything at all.

The Marines have a blog where they were discussing the order given to not arm up with live ammo. Simple as that.

But, at least O'Bomber has wised up...a little and is following Romney's lead. He now admits citizens of the US have the right to exercise their 1st amendment rights to free speech...even if it did take Romney pounding the hell out of your little Marxist Messiah to get that admission out of him.

Obama caves to Romney, embraces free speech for critics of Islam
09/12/2012
Neil Munro

President Barack Obama used Air Force One to conduct a policy loop-de-loop Wednesday, asserting in a CBS interview that he (now) supports Americans’ right to criticize Islam, following almost 18 hours of determined condemnation from Team Romney and damaging news from Egypt and Libya.

“We believe in the First Amendment,” Obama told CBS’s Steve Kroft during an interview arranged days earlier.

“It is one of the hallmarks of our Constitution that I’m sworn to uphold, and so we are always going to uphold the rights for individuals to speak their mind,” he said, according to a transcript narrated by White House spokesman Jay Carney.

The transcript was released several hours after Obama had a Rose garden statement to condemn criticism of Islam.

Carney read the transcript during an impromptu press conference aboard Air Force One as it carried Obama to a fundraiser in Las Vegas.

In another concession to critics of his outreach to Islamist groups, Obama also backed away from Egypt’s Islamist government, which he has supported throughout 2012.

“I don’t think we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy,” Obama said in an Sept. 12 interview with the Spanish-language channel Telemundo.***So now, O'Bomber has aides scrambling to cover his butt for yet another O'Bomber foreign policy gaffe...Egypt not an ally!***

“They are a new government that’s trying to find its way.”

The interview is to be broadcast Sept. 13.

The controversy began Sept. 11 when officials at the U.S. embassy in Cairo tried to head off a planned Islamist protest by describing Americans’ criticism of Islam as an “abuse” of the nation’s First Amendment.

Obama’s sudden reversal came once Gov. Mitt Romney and his deputies slammed the president for not defending Americans’ free speech rights amid threats of violence from militant Islamists.

In the CBS transcript, Obama minimized his longstanding condemnation of movies and books that criticize Islam.

In September 2010, for example, he condemned an anti-Islam protest during a White House press conference, saying “the idea that we would burn the sacred texts of someone else’s religion … is contrary to what this nation is founded upon, and my hope is that this individual [planning a Quran-burning] prays on it and refrains from doing it.”

The morning of his Sept. 12 about-face, Obama had used a Rose Garden event to restate his opposition to criticism of Islam. “Since our founding, the U.S. has been a nation that respects all faiths and rejects all effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others,” he claimed, without recognizing the legal gulf between individual’s free speech rights and the constitutional limits on government-sanctioned religious activity.......
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/12/obama-caves-to-romney-embraces-free-speech -for-critics-of-islam/

Just O'Bomber doing the Flip-Flop-Bop. Thanks Mitt for straightening our little Marxist wonder out.

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From John Cassidy in the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/09/mitt-romneys-libya-blunder-reflects-larger-failings.html

From the blog:
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So far, just about the only statements of support Romney has managed to elicit have come from discredited neocons (Bill Kristol, Liz Cheney), paleo-cons (Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton), and nutty-cons (Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint). Meanwhile, John McCain and Condoleezza Rice, arguably the G.O.P.’s two most influential voices on foreign policy, have conspicuously failed to criticize Obama, while paying tribute to Ambassador Chris Stevens, the longtime foreign-service officer who was killed.
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Romney's foreign policy advisers are PNAC Neocons and hence his gaffe of issuing a statement indicting the Cairo Embassy and the president for "apologizing" for American values and "sympathizing" with the protesters in Cairo and the violent militants in Benghazi -- even though the Cairo embassy statement was issued before both events.


"The Romney campaign and the Republican Party chairman were constructing a huge lie. Again. "- Bob Cesca, in the Huffington Post.

Not a single sign of Statesmanship displayed by Mitt.

And the "Ryan Effect" of lying even in difficult times when Unity is the right way will create a bigger ratings gap in Obama's favor.

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Ami, did you locate your source on the defilement of Ambassador Stephens yet?

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The Libyan doctor Dr. Ziad who tried to revive Mr. Stevens categorically ruled out any injury. His death was due to severe asphyxiation from the smoke when the building was set on fire by a known Libyan terrorist group that hid among the protesters.

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I suspected as much.

Such defilement would be so horrid to the moderates, they would raise up against the radicals much quicker and with less fear.

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Right and all those reports of Ambassador Stevens body being dragged through the streets by the mob and defiled are fiction. Right?

Because we have it on the good authority of an O'Bomber rag..New Yorker mag and a Libyan doctor? Hello!

Stevens went missing for some time and that is a fact. This was a planned and coordinated attack and that is a fact. The O'Bomber administration had at least 48 hours advance notice American Embassies and Consulates were going to be attacked. That is a fact. O'Bomber did not beef up security at US Embassies or US Missions or Consulates and that is a fact. 4 US State Dept officials are dead, one, an Ambassador are dead and that's a fact. There are reports that personnel were not even notified of possible pending attacks on the anniversary of 9/11.

There's a hell of a lot of people who are trying very hard to absolve O'Bomber of all responsibility, his buds in the drooling O'Bomber press, his Kool-Aid swilling supporters, here, at the huffington-puffington post and elsewhere who want to make Romney the problem or some preacher with an Internet film which came out 6 months ago.

That's not going to fly. The buck for foreign policy blunders...and this is a foreign policy blunder of the first order..stops at the desk in the Oval Office where O'Bomber sits.

Perhaps if O'Bomber just apologized for the US antagonizing bin Laden into attacking the US on 9/11 and then making the further mistake of killing bin Laden, the terrorists would be mollified and we could all have a group hug and be friends.

Oh wait, I get it now. Romney is the problem.

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Tut, tut, tut acoustic...and YOU didn't hear anything from O'Bomber..about anything at all.

Not an apology. I'll tell you that much.

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The Marines have a blog where they were discussing the order given to not arm up with live ammo. Simple as that.

Yeah, AND you haven't seen that blog, and hopefully it's been ordered to be taken down as it poses life-threatening information.

Obama embracing the First Amendment is a non-story. Of course he supports it. But supporting free speech isn't precluded by condemning hate speech. As Hillary Clinton said, the video was "disgusting and reprehensible." The First Amendment doesn't change that! And it's not a flip flop when his Secretary of State has said from the beginning that we have a long tradition of free speech rights.

Obama's remarks on Egypt were fully appropriate as well. You can't justify saying that a former ally that's undergone regime change is unequivocally an ally. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that.

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Stevens went missing for some time and that is a fact. This was a planned and coordinated attack and that is a fact. The O'Bomber administration had at least 48 hours advance notice American Embassies and Consulates were going to be attacked. That is a fact. O'Bomber did not beef up security at US Embassies or US Missions or Consulates and that is a fact. 4 US State Dept officials are dead, one, an Ambassador are dead and that's a fact. There are reports that personnel were not even notified of possible pending attacks on the anniversary of 9/11.

Bad reporting...again. I've read that this embassy had just undergone a security review in preparation for 9/11/12. I read that the only warning was NOT one that embassies specifically were going to be attacked, but rather a generalized revenge warning. So the question is, "Where are you getting your news from, Jwhop?"

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And the "Ryan Effect" of lying even in difficult times when Unity is the right way will create a bigger ratings gap in Obama's favor.

Yup.

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