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katatonic
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posted October 10, 2012 04:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.nationofchange.org/billionaire-ceo-threatens-fire-employees-if-obama -wins-1349876452


interestingly this man who has enough money to build a 90K square foot house sees himself as "putting every dime" back into the company and having NO MANOUVERING room.

relativity reigns eh?

and all the people who "just" work their hours (keeping his company going) and go home to enjoy life are to be afraid of losing those jobs if he has to pay another penny in taxes.

while the corporate tax rate is set to go down no matter who wins the election, and PERSONAL tax rates are on WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT OVER AFTER EXPENSES/DEDUCTIONS/CREDITS...

poor mr siegel apparently still fears the spectre of starvation and misery.

for some people there is never enough to fill the vacuum...

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted October 10, 2012 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's free enterprise. Mr. Siegel has the legal perrogative to do what he sees fit as CEO. Westgate Resorts is a private real estate time share company that is not regulated by the SEC. The ethics behind the threatened termination of his employees is a separate matter. His 90,000 sq. ft. home has nothing to do with this decision. And we have no say in what he chooses to do. He is rich. we aren't. It's free enterprise and its part of being in a market-based economy. That's the end of it.

Darden Restaurants (Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc.) has already decided to lay off a large portion of its workforce and re-hire a portion as part-time employees in anticipation of the increased costs of the affordable healthcare act (aka Obamacare). That is also most unfortunate.

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posted October 10, 2012 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you expect, Kat? Telling companies that they have to provide health insurance to all of their full-time employees is going to result in massive layoffs and/or cutting of hours.

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katatonic
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posted October 11, 2012 01:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't expect anything. however to the vast majority of the world, even the poorest american is rich...while to the vast majority of americans, a billionaire has a great deal of elbow room within which to decide what the "right thing" is.

are you two saying that just because it is a free market it is fine for those best able to pay it forward to draw in their heads? you really think his business would go down if he took a couple million less profit yearly? profit being his take home after all is paid for...

of course it is his choice in a free market. but i wonder what he is going to do with his business when he has no employees to pay payroll for? i have seen this syndrome plenty of times. it doesn't make his profits any larger to cut people off. it just perpetuates the downward spiral.

i agree that forcing people to do anything is counterproductive! i just wonder about those in a position to help who prefer to shut the door in the face of those who have helped them achieve that position. their prerogative of course~

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posted October 15, 2012 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
more barely concealed threats to employees' jobs if they vote for obama...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/koch-industries-sends-pro-romney-packet-employees-195709471--election.html

and before anyone repeats that dog-eat-dog is "normal" please understand that i get that a lot of people think so.

that does not make this okay. these people have been making RECORD PROFITS under obama so who are they actually trying to kid? what is the point of all that money if it does nothing for anyone but throw the owners' weight around?

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posted October 15, 2012 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I don't hear Democrat business leaders telling their employees that if Romney is elected that they or their children may be sent off to war. It's ridiculous for business leaders to be engaging in these shananigans.

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posted October 15, 2012 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just like leftists to believe they have the right to decide for others what size their home should be, how much money they can make, what kind of car they should drive, what they should eat..their kids should eat, what they can and cannot be treated for medically.... etc.

Leftists are screw-ups and meddlers of the first order.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 15, 2012 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
What do you expect, Kat? Telling companies that they have to provide health insurance to all of their full-time employees is going to result in massive layoffs and/or cutting of hours.


*Sigh* Why don't people face practicalities?

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katatonic
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posted October 16, 2012 01:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no one has said anything about "how much...is okay for people to have". however it is only the little boy crying wolf who thinks that those making record profits have nothing to gain from helping those with less retain something...laying off one's workers to spite the govt is basically what they are doing.

and again, i realize a lot of people think that dog-eat-dog is not only the way of things but "right and proper" but in the end it is SELF DEFEATING to think only of one's continuing growth.

those who eat all the food in their environment without retaining some seed for more ... are destined to starve to death. it's not morals, it's the way of the world.

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katatonic
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posted October 17, 2012 01:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the whole problem of telling anyone what to do about health insurance provision could have been solved by a single-payer national system that covers everything.

but that was deemed too radical for the average american stomach. so a "compromise" was designed.

no one here probably understands the worth of being able to go to the doctor without stress on finances...or how very "worth it" the taxes are that cover such programs elsewhere. for PENNIES compared to your current healthcare costs, everyone can be covered.

and until PRIVATISATION became all the rage it worked very well. as soon as the profit motive came in, and costs went up, these systems floundered.

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posted October 17, 2012 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone should know how remarkably out of line the U.S.'s healthcare prices are with the rest of the world.

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katatonic
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posted October 17, 2012 09:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://egbertowillies.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-urged-businesses-to-tell-their-employees-how-to-vote/

this should be illegal

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posted October 18, 2012 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A power play engineered by the so called job creators.
It's not enough that they already make the rules, and therefore policy. It is not enough- and- will never be enough.
Blackmail by the pirates of Democracy in the guise of free enterprise, our precious capitalism. And, it is also insurance. The 2% aspire to membership of the 1%.
It is never enough. Greed is greed.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted October 18, 2012 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So everyone in the 2% that cross into 1% territory is greedy?

Where is the demarcation between self improvement and greed?

What rule/policy making? That power is contained within a few elite Washingtonians. The rest of us just want to mind our own business and have others mind theirs.

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posted October 18, 2012 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh pleaaaaase! Give the bullshiiit a rest already.

So, you wanna talk about "blackmail"? Huh, do you...usual suspects?

These are your boys and girls, your comrades. You must be sooooo proud. Murder and riots in the streets of America if O'Bomber loses? Hello, hello, hello...Earth to O'Bomber supporters!

America isn't a banana republic and Americans don't respond well to threats. Get yourselves a major medical policy..which you're going to need and buckle your chin straps if you try this crap.

O'Bomber supporters continue to threaten riots if Romney wins. http://www.slideshare.net/kynize/obama-supporters-continue-to-threaten-riots-if-romney-wins


Election Day Chaos? Obama Supporters Claim They Will Kill Romney If He Wins Election
http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/16/election-day-chaos-obama-supporters-claim-they-will-kill-romney-if-he-wins-election/


Twitiots threaten riots if Obama loses
Posted on October 15, 2012 by Matteo

The media has begun to pick up stories of thousands of Twitter tweets threatening riots and mayhem should Barack Obama lose the upcoming election. Among them are:

“If obama dont get re-elected & romney wins .. on life every white persons getting pistol whipped and im startin a riot.” (SOURCE)

“If Obama don’t win lets start a riot so Romney know what he’s getting himself into.” (SOURCE)

“You know you ain’t **** if you gotta “MAKE” Mafukas vote for ROMNEY ! …. Mannnn OBAMA better get back in office . Or BLACK FOLKS will riot.” (SOURCE)

“If Romney wins im goin on a rampage.” (SOURCE)

“If Mitt Romney wins the election I think its our duties as Black folks to riot and **** **** up.” (SOURCE)

“If every action IS met with an equal and opposite reaction ..what should workers do to employers if Romney’s elected? #Riot in the streets!!” (SOURCE)

“If Romney becomes president let’s all start a riot.” (SOURCE)

“I Heard Mitt Romney , Tryna Take Away Food Stamps , If He Do .”IMA START A RIOT , IMA START A RIOT.” (SOURCE)

“If romney wins, imma start a mf’n riot! Rns.” (SOURCE)

If Romney wins I’m Starting a Riot….Who’s WIT ME???”

“I Hope The USA Is Well Aware That If In The Event This Character Romney Wins The Election, The People Will Start A Country Wide Riot! #Power”

“If Romney is elected president, its gon be a riot its gon be a riot.”

“If ROMNEY GETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE …U MIGHT AS WELL KILL ME NOW …..CAUSE ITS GONNA BE A ************ RIOT !!!”

“If Romney became President and took away welfare Downtown Cincinnati would become a riot”

“If Romney takes away food stamps 2 Chainzz in this bit IMMA START A RIOT”

“If Romney wins. (which i highly doubt) THERE WILL BE A RIOT—”
http://mattsmeditations.com/2012/10/15/twitiots-threaten-riots-if-obama-loses/

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posted October 18, 2012 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love "usual suspects"

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posted October 18, 2012 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well that certainly whipped up a fine froth.

OK~

Let me simplify for all of you.

  • How is it job creation when you threaten termination?

  • How is it not blackmail when failure to comply results in a very costly vote?

  • How is it not piracy of our democratic process when the citizenry are not allowed freedom of choice?

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posted October 18, 2012 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha, stirring up a fine broth is the best you can come up with in the face of attempted blackmail and intimidation to get O'Bomber reelected Node?

Murder and riots in the streets if O'Bomber is defeated at the polls...is a fine broth to be brought up Node?

Tell me Node, do you have the same reaction to labor unions..including teachers unions telling union members how to vote as you do to employers laying out possible consequences if O'Bomber is reelected?

If not Node...then why not.

One last question Node.

Have you ever heard of the federal law requiring employers to notify employees of plant closings and possible mass layoffs at least 60 days in advance...Node?
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/layoffs.htm

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katatonic
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posted October 18, 2012 01:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so a bunch of idiots (if they are not plants) are voicing their pathological wishful thinking on twitter.

they are not your boss threatening you with the loss of your job if you vote for the wrong candidate..

nor are they much different from you, jwhop, who has repeatedly avowed you would have PERSONALLY PUT A BULLET IN HITLER if you had been around at the time, that it was ROUGH JUSTICE FOR THE DOCTOR who helped women who wanted/needed abortions, and who propagates the pathetic theory that being armed will "protect oneself" against the government and its arsenal...

pot kettle black anyone?

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE "RABBLE" - and i recall a texas judge threatening similar in the opposite scenario, if obama should win.

NO CANDIDATE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING EMPLOYERS TO DIRECT THEIR EMPLOYEES VOTES. PERIOD.

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katatonic
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posted October 18, 2012 09:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

and how is it, that these companies having done so well through the trough of the recession and now, seeing recovery in sight, they are worried about losing their shirts?

it is HOGWASH that this administration has hurt these people. even mitt acknowledges that.

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posted October 18, 2012 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Hahaha, stirring up a fine broth is the best you can come up with in the face of attempted blackmail and intimidation to get O'Bomber reelected Node?

Murder and riots in the streets if O'Bomber is defeated at the polls...is a fine broth to be brought up Node?

Tell me Node, do you have the same reaction to labor unions..including teachers unions telling union members how to vote as you do to employers laying out possible consequences if O'Bomber is reelected?

If not Node...then why not.

One last question Node.

Have you ever heard of the federal law requiring employers to notify employees of plant closings and possible mass layoffs at least 60 days in advance...Node?
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/layoffs.htm



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posted October 18, 2012 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This political season, I think I am gonna have a heart attack if I have to look at that smirking, lying face of O'Bomber one more time.

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katatonic
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posted October 18, 2012 10:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maybe you should do what hannity said he was going to LAST time we were at this point...go underground.

of course hannity has done no such thing, there's big bucks in whipping up the the fear quotient among those who follow the fox pundits.

but don't let that stop you doing as he says!

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posted October 18, 2012 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha, yep those tweeters threatening riots and murder if O'Bomber loses are Romney plants. Can't slip anything past you katatonic.

Oh and just for your information, the economy is not "Brightening" for businesses or anyone else..except those who have their hands out for something from government...including some businesses on O'Bomber's most favored list.

But most certainly not for businesses in general it's not. Economic growth was slower in August 2012 than it was in August 2011 and it was slower in August 2011 than it was in August 2010. So, it's been anemic all along but it's sure not going in the right direction.

So much for the happy talk about businesses "seeing recovery in sight" katatonic.

Just hang in for a few more days Ami. I think Romney is going to win but we'll see.

Then a new round of battles will start up during the lame duck session of Congress when O'Bomber tries to stuff through a whole slew of UN treaties which give away US sovereignty to the UN...including a UN tax on the Internet. And that's just the most tame of the proposed UN treaties.

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posted October 19, 2012 02:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
new housing starts up 15% in september. retail up as well.

the price of gas is directly linked to the decline of the dollar due to the actions of the FED, not the white house. THAT is still NOT holding back steady and increasing improvement.

meanwhile even the poorest american is better off than most people in the world. but we can't settle for less than the TIPPY TOP OF THE PIPPY POPS can we?

we have to have the most, eat the most, drink the most, and be the very mostest at all times or what? we might find out we aren't the chosen ones after all?

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