posted April 18, 2013 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Sorry. I considered gun shows to be private sales. I wasn't thinking of internet sales, but yes, I would consider those private as well.

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ok, but the bill didn`t. Have you ever attended a gun show, seen what is available and those selling? I have and at best, many are questionable.

They give the golden opportunity for thieves etc. to dump guns. That I wanted to see stopped and checks run on buyer AND seller.

posted April 18, 2013 02:37 PM            

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The Heller case involved a challenge to the District of Columbia's ban on handguns. For the first time in nearly 70 years, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on the meaning of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution as it relates to gun control laws.

The Second Amendment provides that "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

For many years, scholars and anti-gun proponents have argued that the Second Amendment provides a right to own guns only in connection with service in a militia, and that this right should not extend to private individuals. That argument was roundly rejected by the Supreme Court. In an opinion authored by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court held that the right to own a gun is not connected with service in a militia; rather, it is a personal right to own a firearm for "traditionally lawful purposes" such as self-defense within the home.

The bottom line: You have a constitutional right to possess a firearm regardless of whether you are serving in a militia. But just how far that right extends remains up in the air.

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posted April 18, 2013 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
There's good evidence to suggest it was never ratified. I've not seen any good evidence that the Moon is made up of rotten milk.

Juni, perhaps people should not be judged by appearance.

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It is much much more than appearance. It is uncovered fact. Lots of "proof" exists stolen guns or guns committed in a crime have been sold at a gun show. It has nothing to do with how someone appears, geez....

posted April 18, 2013 02:53 PM            

i think people should also have to register their guns, just like a car, or the guns should have fingerprint locks on them to ensure only the owner can use them...why is it assumed that a lethal weapon is safe for even a child to use?

posted April 18, 2013 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
the right to own guns is not infringed by asking for background checks. we have the right to vote too, but if you are a felon that is revoked!

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Excellent correlation.

posted April 18, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Node:
I am beyond disgusted.

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I am too, Node-y!

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posted April 18, 2013 07:51 PM            

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posted April 18, 2013 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
Driving is a privilege, voting is a right. It isa lot harder for some people to get voter id and wht should they have to pay for tbat right?

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posted April 18, 2013 09:03 PM            

6:29 PM, Apr 18, 2013

By Leisa Zigman, I-Team Reporter

ST. LOUIS (KSDK) - One day after the U.S. Senate rejected a bill that would have expanded background checks on guns, one of St. Louis' most powerful and staunch supporters of gun rights ended his lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association (NRA).

In an email sent exclusively to NewsChannel 5's Leisa Zigman, Adolphus Busch IV, an heir to the Busch family fortune, asked the gun rights group to "immediately" remove his name from its membership roles.

An avid environmentalist and hunter, guns have been a part of Busch's life since he was a child.

"It's something you never forget being able to be in the outdoors with your father," Busch said in a 2005 interview with KSDK.

Busch, whose great-grandfather founded Anheuser-Busch, made clear his position on guns and the people who legally use them.

"Hunters put back everything they take out and more," he said at the time.

Now, the man who joined the NRA in 1975 is cutting ties.

In a letter addressed to NRA President David Keene, Busch writes, "It disturbs me greatly to see this rigid new direction of the NRA."

"...One only has to ask why the NRA reversed its original position on background checks. Was it not the NRA position to support background checks when Mr. LaPierre himself stated in 1999 that NRA saw checks as 'reasonable'?"

"...I fail to see how the NRA can disregard the overwhelming will of its members who see background checks as reasonable," Busch writes.

On its website, the NRA fiercely opposed the Senate background check legislation, calling the amendment "misguided." It's clear from Busch's email he does not agree.

"I am simply unable to comprehend how assault weapons and large capacity magazines have a role in your vision," he said. "The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established. Your current strategic focus clearly places priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members."

"One only has to look at the makeup of the 75-member board of directors, dominated by manufacturing interests, to confirm my point. The NRA appears to have evolved into the lobby for gun and ammunition manufacturers rather than gun owners."

posted April 20, 2013 05:21 AM            

Would LIBERALS agree to add a measure to Obama's gun bill that would prevent the public from accessing the records to see who has a gun. In the past some really slimy reporters who know how to work the system that way have posted such names & addresses on their sites citing "public right to know" which endangered many people, such as women fleeing domestic violence to undercover cops. After one such expose even a parole officer was getting home visits (for some strange reason, they seemed more curious than anything) by the paroled convicts he managed after his name and address were posted, and that potentially put his wife and children in danger as well as himself. Would you be willing to write or call in and ask for protection against this abuse?

In other ways would you consider supporting the following (feel free to list conditions): allowing teachers who have (on their own initiative) gained a CCW permit (which typically involves a background check and safety training) to carry discreetly on school grounds? (Don't confuse this with a "policy of arming teachers" that the NRA promotes.)