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Randall
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posted April 17, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, King Obama! Leave the Bill Of Rights alone!
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-shameful-politics-blame-defeat-gun-measure-221433796.html

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posted April 17, 2013 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out the crybaby look on Biden's face!

Give the government an inch, and they will take a mile. Look at the income tax. It was sold as a tax-the-rich temporary instrument to pay for the war.

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posted April 17, 2013 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no "disarm" america legislation randall. There is a move to close backroom deal loopholes...

Did youknow that the number of household w/guns has been decreasing for years? Despite the big sales, it's not more people, but less, buying more guns.

And once again, civics 101, it was not obama's bill. He doesn't makethe laws but "choose which ones hewill sign" as boehner famously stated.

"king" doesn't describe the man who is urging people to individually lobby their reps, quite the opposite.

No matter what rush sings for his supper!

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posted April 17, 2013 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am disappointed they didn`t close the loophole on background checks to include gun shows and internet sales. If you are on the up and up, you will not mind a background check.

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posted April 17, 2013 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok. lets say it was a disarm bill. How would they wrest away legit CCW permits?

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posted April 17, 2013 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Check out the crybaby look on Biden's face!

Give the government an inch, and they will take a mile. Look at the income tax. It was sold as a tax-the-rich temporary instrument to pay for the war.


Loved the sullen, resentful, whiny look on Obama's face. One of the best times in his presidency for those of us who love our country, as it was FOUNDED!

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posted April 17, 2013 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 18, 2013 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/opinion/a-senate-in-the-gun-lobbys-grip.html?_r=0

SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the gunman found them.

On Wednesday, a minority of senators gave into fear and blocked common-sense legislation that would have made it harder for criminals and people with dangerous mental illnesses to get hold of deadly firearms — a bill that could prevent future tragedies like those in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., and too many communities to count.

Some of the senators who voted against the background-check amendments have met with grieving parents whose children were murdered at Sandy Hook, in Newtown. Some of the senators who voted no have also looked into my eyes as I talked about my experience being shot in the head at point-blank range in suburban Tucson two years ago, and expressed sympathy for the 18 other people shot besides me, 6 of whom died. These senators have heard from their constituents — who polls show overwhelmingly favored expanding background checks. And still these senators decided to do nothing...

by gabby giffords...who has first hand accounts of what these senators are "afraid of"...and it's not the breaking of the second amendment, is it?

i'll leave you to click on the link if you want to read the rest.

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posted April 18, 2013 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The weapons used in that tragic event were bought legally and with background checks. This proposed law would have made no difference. All this law would have done is create added burdens on law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't get background checks.

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posted April 18, 2013 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so you're for only laws that will definitively stop all gun violence?? do you demand that kind of totality and certainty in a business deal?

of course people will find a way if they are intent enough. as we saw in boston, you don't need a gun at all! on the other hand, why should the people who already own guns insist on the right to have an equal number to a military base? as i said, the NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS owning guns has been going DOWN, while the people who already have guns are buying in record numbers.

reagan banned mailorder gun sales, didn't he? why shouldn't gun shows and internet sales be tightened up, at least to the tune of background checks?

and in the gabby giffords incident i believe there was a psychologist who waved a red flag and no one listened.

did you read what she said about WHAT SENATORS HAVE TOLD HER about their motives? nothing to do with your gun rights, is it?

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posted April 18, 2013 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so you're for only laws that will definitively stop all gun violence?? do you demand that kind of totality and certainty in a business deal?


*Spoken in a Jesse Jackson voice* -----I can say this DEFIIIIINITIVELY and ABSOOOLUTELY. You make no sense


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posted April 18, 2013 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just see it as a shame folks feel threatened by a background check for purchases. Curious if it is a rural vs city mind set.

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posted April 18, 2013 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
apparently they are afraid that it is just the first step to confiscation, you know, like they upped the ante from background checks on your driver's license to banning driving...not

you do realize there is a background check when you get your driver's license?

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posted April 18, 2013 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gun violence has been about the same each year for the past few decades. No gun law that liberals can concoct will change that. The far left has been trying to take away America's guns for years. Sorry, but it won't work. I still see those stupid bumper stickers: "Make guns illegal, and only criminals will have guns." It's funny, because that's exactly right. The criminals will have all the guns. Duh!

Juni, background checks place a burden on private sellers, punishing the law-abiding citizen for the actions of a few. The real issue is more control by the feds to inch their way into more erosion of the Constitution.

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posted April 18, 2013 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Driving is a privilege. Gun ownership is a right.

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posted April 18, 2013 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"you liberals" who want to take away your guns, randall? who are you ranting at? you are getting hysterical, sorry. no one here has suggested taking away YOUR guns or anyone else's.

it's not that big a burden to do a background check. and i expect it will be made even easier to accomodate those birdbrains who can't manage it.

driving may be a privilege where you live but a lot of people couldn't work without that privilege. is it more important to be able to kill people(or animals for sport) than to work??

i don't care if you feel you need 50 guns. but it does indicate some psych issues and in itself would be a red flag for 90% of the country.

so you think because a few addicts are afraid they will fail the background check the vast majority of the country should be ignored?

has it ever occurred to you that the people who REALLY object to background checks are the ones with SOMETHING TO HIDE? ie, the criminals you think will get the guns anyway? now they don't have to even think for two minutes to get a gun, it sure would be horrible if it was made a little harder, wouldn't it?

how many background checks are already in your life? how many places are you registered? you use the internet, you drive, presumably you own a gun, you have a social security card and a birth certificate. you are already in a dozen databanks and ripe for rip off. so what are you afraid of??

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posted April 18, 2013 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
most importantly why should the NRA be in a position to intimidate our representatives??????????????????

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posted April 18, 2013 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*I edited my reply above before I saw your post*

Um, what are you talking about? Your own logic works against you. Are you saying background checks are okay for guns but not for driving? So, all manner of criminals are entitled to drive? To go to their jobs of what--drug dealing? Next you will be saying that all pressure cookers should be banned! The irrationality of the liberal mindset never ceases to amaze me.

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posted April 18, 2013 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Gun violence has been about the same each year for the past few decades. No gun law that liberals can concoct will change that. The far left has been trying to take away America's guns for years. Sorry, but it won't work. I still see those stupid bumper stickers: "Make guns illegal, and only criminals will have guns." It's funny, because that's exactly right. The criminals will have all the guns. Duh!

Juni, background checks place a burden on private sellers, punishing the law-abiding citizen for the actions of a few. The real issue is more control by the feds to inch their way into more erosion of the Constitution.


As I understood it (and will google)private gun sales would not have been effected.

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posted April 18, 2013 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The background check compromise measure was brokered by Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. It extends checks to gun shows and Internet sales but not to private sales .


This is one of many sites stating so.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/14/gun-rights-group-endorses-background-check-deal/

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posted April 18, 2013 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry. I considered gun shows to be private sales. I wasn't thinking of internet sales, but yes, I would consider those private as well.

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I haven't suggested any change in drivinglicensing. But i think a car, also potentially a lethal weapon, is used for far more constructive purposes than 90% of guns, which let's face it, are not essential for most people.

The big question to me is why is the NRA running so many members of Congress, and not the wishes of their constituents? You wouldn't be so complacent if it were, say, a matter of registering drug addicts, most of whom also never hurt anyone but themselves...would you?

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And reagan wanted military style guns banned too...but congress didn't vote on it then. If he were in office now would you call him a tyrant for signing the ban against mail order guns?

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It is interesting about Rush's take on this and it makes perfect sense. King Baby Obama thought he would get the Senate to vote for it and then he could blame the house for all violence in the country. King Baby wants to get the House. That is his main goal but a few senators screwed him. Thank God. I wrote to one on FB and thanked him profusely. These men are true heroes!

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posted April 18, 2013 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am beyond disgusted.

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