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Randall
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posted September 08, 2013 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I vote a big fat nay.

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Ami Anne
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posted September 08, 2013 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nay

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posted September 08, 2013 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big fat Nay.

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posted September 08, 2013 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nay.

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posted September 09, 2013 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd be ok to military protecting (with extreme prejudice) relief camps outside of Syrian borders, however. But just to be sure military involvement remained honest and honorable I'd want the media (including BBC) and Amnesty International allowed reasonable access along with recognized relief workers (such as Doctors Without Borders) to help prevent any false flag incidents or similar dishonorable actions.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted September 09, 2013 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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birdy
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posted September 10, 2013 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for birdy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its interesting how some people are saying nay but if it was a Republican president, they'd be saying the opposite.

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posted September 10, 2013 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Its interesting how some people are saying nay but if it was a Republican president, they'd be saying the opposite"...birdy

And...you know this because....???

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posted September 10, 2013 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for birdy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people are so obvious in their bias for this president. I am disgusted with the news events at the moment. The hypocrisy is so pathetic and obvious.

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posted September 10, 2013 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look birdy, if you can't answer my question, just say so. But don't attempt to evade or change the subject.

I asked you how you know..."some people are saying nay but if it was a Republican president, they'd be saying the opposite"

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posted September 10, 2013 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for birdy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres a constant flow of hateful, propaganda filled messages about every single thing this man does. You being one of the worst offenders. How did you feel about the Iraq war? Im guessing you were for it..cheering on the bloodshed.

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posted September 11, 2013 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well let's see birdy. Saddam Hussein was operating under a cease-fire which for 12 years he failed to live up to. Saddam killed about 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens. Saddam invaded Kuwait, used chemical weapons against the Iranians and the Kurds...people within Iraq. Saddam attempted to assassinate George H.W. Bush. Saddam fired missiles at US military aircraft patrolling the no fly zones in Iraq.

How does that stack up against Assad?

Estimates are it would take 55,000 troops on the ground to find, secure and transport Assad's chemical weapons out of Syria. O'Bomber says no boots on the ground in Syria...and he's not going for regime change.

7 out of the 10 main so called rebel groups fighting against Assad have ties to al-Qaeda or are affiliates of al-Qaeda. I suppose you think...like O'Bomber that we should be fighting on the side of terrorist groups like al-Qaeda.

Best case O'Bomber scenario...we kill Assad or weaken Assad sufficiently that al-Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood or a coalition of terrorist organizations takes over Syria. Exactly how does that improve the US position, increase stability in the region or improve US national security?

Btw, Saddam was a murderous Socialist dictator...and so is Assad...a murderous Socialist dictator.

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posted September 11, 2013 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries Eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I prefer the diplomatic route for this situation.

The diplomatic proposal by Russia to place chemical weapons under international control is good one.

Obama to explore diplomatic route on Syria chemical weapons I suggest to work on that proposal.

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Ami Anne
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posted September 11, 2013 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by birdy:
Theres a constant flow of hateful, propaganda filled messages about every single thing this man does. You being one of the worst offenders. How did you feel about the Iraq war? Im guessing you were for it..cheering on the bloodshed.

Birdy, Listen to a man like Jwhop and try to please grow a little from your small place of ignorance for goodness sake. Thank you

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posted September 11, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Birdy, Listen to a man like Jwhop and try to please grow a little from your [b]small place of ignorance for goodness sake. Thank you

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The subject not the poster .


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posted September 11, 2013 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will be happy to rephrase it, Juni.

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posted September 11, 2013 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Birdy
You need to open your mind to a man such as Jwhop who has a proper view on the world. If you stay in a small bubble, it is not good for you or the greater world, at large

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posted September 11, 2013 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I forgot to add--in my HUMBLE opinion.

One is allowed to have an opinion on an opinion Forum. You certainly have an opinion on Israel and feel free to make it known.

Do you have think how your obvious hatred to Israel would make Jewish people feel ?

Anyhoo, Onward and Upward


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posted September 11, 2013 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venusian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No more wars and no more death.


Our government needs to mind their own business.


When will they understand they do not own this world!!!!!!!


Sheesh and people wonder why other countries hate us!

They always wanna run and investigate everything!


Do u know how many Americans lived in Iraq during saddams reign? Many!


Think about all the wars this country has been involved in.

Its too much already.

Our economy is going down and they wanna spend money in other countries.

Screw that crap!!!

They fought with the russians in afghanistan and put the taliban into power. Come on people wake up!


U should have seen pictures of Afghanistan in the early days before the taliban were put into power and islam was forced on them.


The women walked around in skirts and went to school.

Its all our governments fault!

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posted September 11, 2013 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venusian Moon:
No more wars and no more death.


Our government needs to mind their own business.


When will they understand they do not own this world!!!!!!!


Sheesh and people wonder why other countries hate us!

They always wanna run and investigate everything!


Do u know how many Americans lived in Iraq during saddams reign? Many!


Think about all the wars this country has been involved in.

Its too much already.

Our economy is going down and they wanna spend money in other countries.

Screw that crap!!!

They fought with the russians in afghanistan and put the taliban into power. Come on people wake up!


U should have seen pictures of Afghanistan in the early days before the taliban were put into power and islam was forced on them.


The women walked around in skirts and went to school.

Its all our governments fault!


YES, I have seen the pics, too. Thanks for your wise input VM. We need some more wise people here. The low information voter seem to be running this place

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posted September 11, 2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are talking about SYRIA, Ami, can you, a MOD, please stay on topic for two minutes and stop being the thought policewoman of LL?

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posted September 11, 2013 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
We are talking about SYRIA, Ami, can you, a MOD, please stay on topic for two minutes and stop being the thought policewoman of LL?

I was inviting you to the Gardening Forum, Katalina.

Back to topic as you wisely suggest, Friend!

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posted September 11, 2013 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are totally on the money, VM. As we were saying on the SYRIA thread that was derailed a little while ago, we need to stop sticking our noses and troops in everyone's business.

And yes, birdy, the same people who think Obama is an idiot to consider bombing Syria not only backed the Iraq and Afghan wars but the ousting of that particular murderous dictator.

They also leap at the chance to blame Obama for not waving a magic wand - as you know Presidents are famous for - and fixing the destruction to our economy those wars caused, along with the shenanigans of the money-our-of-money crowd.

I note that Obama's critics cannot decide whether he waited too long or should have never stirred the pot. Hopefully a peaceful solution will prevail but it doesn't mean we're not still meddling in others' affairs.

IOW bombing is not the only way to undermine a country, or region and those with the most money tend to be the ones who can afford to meddle...and feel they have the most to lose by minding their own business.

And those who inherit money seem to be the most morally superior when it comes to those peasants who want "something for nothing".

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posted September 11, 2013 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by birdy:
Its interesting how some people are saying nay but if it was a Republican president, they'd be saying the opposite.

People passionate about either party do that, and it was disconcerting to me how the protests about our being in Iraq dried up almost overnight after Obama won despite that the war was still going on (I'd guess only about 10% remained which told me that 90% weren't protesting the Iraq War, they were protesting Bush). There are even brain scans regarding it:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11009379/ns/technology_and_ science-science/t/political-bias-affects-brain-activity-study-finds/

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Democrats and Republicans alike are adept at making decisions without letting the facts get in the way, a new study shows.

And they get quite a rush from ignoring information that's contrary to their point of view.

Researchers asked staunch party members from both sides to evaluate information that threatened their preferred candidate prior to the 2004 Presidential election. The subjects' brains were monitored while they pondered.

The results were announced today.

"We did not see any increased activation of the parts of the brain normally engaged during reasoning," said Drew Westen, director of clinical psychology at Emory University. "What we saw instead was a network of emotion circuits lighting up, including circuits hypothesized to be involved in regulating emotion, and circuits known to be involved in resolving conflicts."

The test subjects on both sides of the political aisle reached totally biased conclusions by ignoring information that could not rationally be discounted, Westen and his colleagues say.

Then, with their minds made up, brain activity ceased in the areas that deal with negative emotions such as disgust. But activity spiked in the circuits involved in reward, a response similar to what addicts experience when they get a fix, Westen explained.

The study points to a total lack of reason in political decision-making.


As for me, I use the same stick to measure the actions of Republicans and Democrats alike to the annoyance of partisans in both parties.

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posted September 11, 2013 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Little pin prick bombings accomplish nothing. Doing that is a waste of time. Assad remains in power and the issue is unresolved. It'll be best to do nothing.

Otherwise, Assad is an enemy to the United States and its allies including Israel, Jordan and Turkey. He is a dictator and he needs to be neutralized. But America has no strategic interest in doing so, and does not have any resolve for war. Therefore, doing nothing would be best.

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