posted October 02, 2013 01:33 PM            

From someone who obviously has never experienced the English system.

As to medicaid, in California any one earning over $800/ mo..that's less than $10k a year..will fond medicaid veru hard to come by.

Instead, if they go to the ER and waive ANY tests, they will be billed $1000 for 10 minutes of a doctor's time.

posted October 02, 2013 02:23 PM            

This is head up the ass so far that it comes out the mouth

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posted October 02, 2013 03:44 PM            

Good doctors have been complaining about the effects of the Business First model on healthcare for as long as I can remember.

The best doctors I have known would treat you off the books in the past, now it is risking their license to do so. And has been for years.

Again, INSTEAD OF TILTING AT WINDMILLS, Congress could have been fixing the nasty bits and making this a really great Act instead they have left the glitches in to make the most of the bad publicity.

posted October 02, 2013 03:56 PM            

You need to be educated:
Doctors don't work for insurance companies but for hospital and clinics. The law wants insurance companies to manage costs under 20% . Why is administering a plan so expensive?

So yes , doctors if they want to earn more -- do have that choice. It doesn't go away.
Perhaps they may have to slug it out with the insurance companies. But heh, nothings is easy today.

Yes. I believe in right to die under unusual circumstances as a last resort. You can call it murder if you like. A Islamist is a terrorist in America whereas a Rockfeller isn't whereas a Rockfeller is a terrorist in Islam nation.

Oregon is one of the states that allows assisted death. It is constitutional. Bravo Oregonians!!!!

posted October 02, 2013 07:52 PM            

The per capita cost of the NHS is about $2400 a year, and covers everything. Yes NONurgent care has become bogged down in paperwork and overworked doctors, SINCE privatization started under Thatcher. There are private doctors for those who do not want to wait BUT

In urgent cases (like cancer) those private doctors regularly STILL advise patients to use the NHS which is just as effective and timely and saves people tens of thousands of pounds.

I lived in England for 21 years and never had reason to complain about the service or treatment and certainly not the price. Yes it is paid for by taxing everyone, but the fact of the matter is that Americans actually pay more taxes for the coverage of those who cannot pay than the English pay for everyone to receive care, preventive, palliative and everything in between.

When I came back to the US I was required by the school district to insure my daughter. A group plan was available and not expensive but involved hefty copays and deductibles. I have looked a few times at insurance for myself.

posted October 03, 2013 09:44 AM            

Moderate and Conservative being defined as those with sufficient brain cells to tie their own shoes. That excludes all the Socialists,...Marxists, Progressives and other Collectivists.

September 27, 2013 4:00 AM
Democrats Against Obamacare
Moderate and conservative Democrats are splitting with the Left on health care. By Deroy Murdock

Texas senator Ted Cruz’s 21-hour 19-minute soliloquy this week apotheosized Republican dissatisfaction with Obamacare. Likewise, the GOP House recently voted to finance everything in Washington, minus the so-called Affordable Care Act.

A real surprise lies behind these headlines: Democrats are falling out of love with Obamacare.

Last year, according to a Washington Post/ABC News survey, 68 percent of Democrats supported Obamacare. By July 23, however, only 58 percent of Obama’s fellow donkeys backed his chief initiative. Liberal Democrats’ approval of this law rose from 74 percent in 2010 to 78 in July.

But moderate and conservative Democrats have fled on health care. In 2010, as Obamacare careened through a Democratic Congress, 76 percent of center-right Democrats cheered, while 20 percent hissed. By last July 23, only 47 percent of those Democrats endorsed Obamacare; 46 percent disapproved. So, among middle-of-the-road Democrats (57 percent of those surveyed), net support for Obamacare is just 1 percent, the Washington Post and ABC News report.

Fox News discovered on September 17 that 56 percent of Democrats were “concerned” about their “personal health care under the new health care law.” (Forty-three percent were not.) Among Republicans, 77 percent were “concerned” personally about Obamacare’s medical impact on them; 22 percent were relaxed.

Obamacare generates merely polite applause even among black Americans, the cornerstone of Obama’s political base. “Eighty-seven percent of blacks approve of Obama’s job performance overall,” explained another Washington Post/ABC News study released September 20. “But just 48 percent support his signature health care law.”

This research echoes growing doubts about Obamacare among leading Democrats and the union bosses who love them.

“We’ve got millions of people — working-class, middle-class people — who are going to be pushed into a regulatory health coverage no man’s land,” Senator Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) warned last Valentine’s Day. “They are unable to afford the family coverage through their employer and ineligible for the subsidy that could be used by dependents on the exchange.”

On March 21, 33 Senate Democrats voted for a non-binding resolution against Obamacare’s medical-device tax. Illinois’s Dick Durbin, Minnesota’s Al Franken, and Maryland’s Barbara Mikulski were among those who decried this job-killing, innovation-crushing 2.3 percent levy on the gross revenues, rather than profits, of health-implement manufacturers. On June 7, 2012, 37 Democrats and 233 Republicans backed Representative Erik Paulsen’s (R., Minn.) bill to kill this cruel, senseless tax.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius conceded that Obamacare could cost people more money, not less. “These folks will be moving into a really fully insured product for the first time,” she said March 26, “and so there may be a higher cost associated with getting into that market.”

“I believe that the Affordable Care Act is probably the most complex piece of legislation ever passed by the United States Congress,” Senator Jay Rockefeller (D., W.Va.) lamented April 9. “Tax reform obviously has been huge, too. But up to this point, it is just beyond comprehension.”

In an April 17 candor attack, Senator Max Baucus (D., Mont.), a key Obamacare engineer, notoriously said, “I just see a huge train wreck coming.”

In an April 29 candidates’ debate against her ultimately victorious opponent, Mark Sanford (R., S.C.), Democratic nominee Elizabeth Colbert Busch slammed Obamacare. Said the real-life sister of TV comedian Stephen Colbert: “Obamacare is extremely problematic. It is expensive. It is a $500 billion cost [more] than we originally anticipated. It’s cutting into Medicare benefits, and it’s having companies lay off their employees because they are worried about the cost of it. That is extremely problematic. It needs an enormous fix.”

WHEC-TV Rochester asked Senator Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) to explain rising Empire State health premiums. “It’s in part because of Obamacare,” he conceded May 3.

Representative John Larson (D., Conn.) complained that congressional staffers would be thrown into the Obamacare health exchanges. “‘Listen,” he said June 13 in Politico, “this is simply not fair to these employees.”

Obamacare’s Independent Payment Advisory Board “is essentially a health-care rationing body,” former Democratic National chairman Howard Dean, M.D., opined in July 29’s Wall Street Journal. “The IPAB will cause frustration to providers and patients alike, and it will fail to control costs.” The Hill reports that Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Representatives Elizabeth Esty of Connecticut and Ron Barber, Ann Kirkpatrick, and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona — Democrats all — have co-sponsored legislation to padlock IPAB. At least 22 House Democrats favor its abolition.

“The ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class,” Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa Jr. co-wrote in a July 12 letter to House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.). “The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios.”

Terence O’Sullivan, president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, announced September 11: “If the Affordable Care Act is not fixed, and it destroys the health and welfare funds that we have fought for and stand for, then I believe it needs to be repealed.”

“My record on the health-care law has been crystal clear. I voted against it when it was first considered, have voted to repeal it dozens of times, and today voted to defund it,” said Representative Mike McIntyre (D., N.C.), one of two Democrats who stood with all Republicans but one to defund Obamacare on September 20. “The need for health-care reform is clear, but this law is not the right approach for our citizens, communities, and businesses.”

The fact that Democrats are cooling on Obamacare confirms that Republican senators including Cruz, Utah’s Mike Lee, Kentucky’s Rand Paul, Florida’s Marco Rubio, and Alabama’s Jeff Sessions are perfectly right to hammer this monstrosity mercilessly. Ditto the House’s defunders. Republicans relentlessly should showcase Democratic disenchantment with Obamacare.

posted October 03, 2013 09:56 AM            

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posted October 03, 2013 10:02 AM            

Excuse me untutored one but many doctors are in their own private practices. Some are in associations called clinics with the very smallest number of physicians working for Hospitals...meaning on the hospital payroll as employees. Obviously, you are in no position...knowledge wise to educate me...or anyone else here.

"Yes. I believe in right to die under unusual circumstances as a last resort. You can call it murder if you like."...PhoenixRising

When a doctor or group of doctors set upon a deliberate course of action which they believe will terminate the life of their patient...and that course of action is over the protests of their patient and the patient's family...THAT IS MEDICAL MURDER In Britain, patients are deliberately killed by their doctors...without their approval and over their protests. Those patients are denied water, food and medicine until they die from dehydration...about 15 days.

Now PhoenixRising, if you would like to become one of the unalive, I'll sign your petition to withhold food, water and medicine from you until you are "unalive".

"Oregon is one of the states that allows assisted death. It is constitutional. Bravo Oregonians!!!!"...PhoenixRising

Well Phoenix, if you'd like to move to Oregon I'll be happy to furnish you a map.

posted October 03, 2013 10:06 AM            

The person who thinks it is will find that if you get a crap product, then who cares if it is free?

I am not saying all foreign trained doctors are bad but SOME are. Many med schools in other countries are not up to ours.

I could share stories but I won't.

This is one example where the low info voter thinks they are getting free stuff and screwing the rich.

If you get an incompetent doctor, then WHO have you screwed?

Answer--yourself. You guys are sooooo ignorant that I want to take a break from GU

* Don't count your chickens before they hatch or your chickens may come home to roost.

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posted October 03, 2013 11:12 AM            

Let me disillusion you Ami. No one here except you has ever even suggested that healthcare is going to be FREE or that they want it to be. That would be stupid, which you seem to think people who disagree with you MUST be. Maybe if you didn't write people off by lumping them in with Rush's fantasy populace, you would hear some of what they say and not what you THINK they are saying?

People who base their beliefs about what happens in other countries on scare stories printed by RAGS like the Mail and Fox are being misled. Anecdotes of horrific medical experiences abound HERE and everywhere, they do not describe the norm.

There are bad doctors in every system, AND good ones. I have seen plenty of both here. The best doctors work around whatever system they are hobbled by, and many American doctors and medical personnel find our CURRENT system very "concerning" and difficult to work with or around.

The GOP pretending they are going to "defund" the ACA have their heads up their backsides. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED, newsflash. The money is already out there, not coming back whatever they try to tell you.

posted October 03, 2013 01:54 PM            

What the hell is wrong with you Phoenix?

Can't you see the difference between those who have incurable..and possibly painful diseases who want to end their lives...AS OPPOSED to those whose doctors are deliberately, intentionally and willfully withholding water, food and medicine against patient wishes and the wishes of their families to dehydrate and starve them to death?

Oh, one other thing Catalina/katatonic:

This medical murder happening in Britain is not being done by rogue doctors..bad doctors you mentioned. It's the POLICY of the British National Health Service under the provisions of NICE...National Institute for Health and Care Excellence.

posted October 03, 2013 02:06 PM            

CUTTING CORNERS FOR PROFIT MARGINS is a symptom of the largely capitalist changes thru privatisation initiated since the Thatcher hatchet days.

posted October 03, 2013 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Tell that to my aging british relatives jwhop. They will tell you about the high level of care they get...as would my good friend who recently died in her comfortable bed aged 99 thanks to the great care she got throughout her diabetic years, tge hip transplant she had at 89, and other horrors perpetrated by the NHS.

CUTTING CORNERS FOR PROFIT MARGINS is a symptom of the largely capitalist changes thru privatisation initiated since the Thatcher hatchet days.

Oh, and please tell my American friend whose stroke at 89 was shrugged off as "ageing" despite her "cadillac" insurance...no need to try rehabilitating somekne that old, just call it dementia! She's 94 now and fit as a fiddle except forstroke-damaged functions now lost forever

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posted October 03, 2013 03:21 PM            

NICE has responded to complaints that dehydration - through negligence of the extra needs of people with ageing kidneys - has caused many premature deaths by issuing guidelines to enforce better hydration and avoid such deaths.

posted October 03, 2013 03:52 PM            

February 27, 2013
Cutting Healthcare Costs by Killing Patients
By Deane Waldman

The LCP claims to be "an integrated care pathway that is used at the bedside to drive up sustained quality of the dying in the last hours and days of life." If that were true, it would simply be better hospice care. The NHS has canceled all hospice care. The LCP is not what it claims to be.

The LCP sedates patients to the point of coma and then withholds nutrients, even including IV fluids. The LCP does not ease dying. It hastens death. To physicians, this is unconscionable, not to mention immoral and against the Hippocratic Oath we all swore: "I will ... never do harm to anyone. I will not give a lethal drug to anyone."

Everyone responds to incentives. If you give a bonus for scoring points, professional sportsmen and women will score more points. The NHS gives financial bonuses to doctors and hospitals for enrolling patients on the LCP, thus marking them for death. Guess what happens.

There are reports of British citizens being enrolled in the LCP against their will. These people are not asking for help while dying. These are British citizens whom the British National Health Service is literally killing. LCP is State-sanctioned -- in fact, State-rewarded -- murder of the "expensives."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/cutting_healthcare_costs_by_killing_patients.html

Sentenced to death on the NHS
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.

In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.

Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year•Professor says doctors use 'death pathway' to euthenasia of the elderly
•Around 29 per cent of patients that die in hospital are on controversial 'care pathway'
•Pensioner admitted to hospital given treatment by doctor on weekend shift
By Steve Doughty

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.

Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.

Professor Pullicino claimed that far too often elderly patients who could live longer are placed on the LCP and it had now become an ‘assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway’.

He cited ‘pressure on beds and difficulty with nursing confused or difficult-to-manage elderly patients’ as factors.

Professor Pullicino revealed he had personally intervened to take a patient off the LCP who went on to be successfully treated.

He said this showed that claims they had hours or days left are ‘palpably false’.
In the example he revealed a 71-year-old who was admitted to hospital suffering from pneumonia and epilepsy was put on the LCP by a covering doctor on a weekend shift.

Professor Pullicino said he had returned to work after a weekend to find the patient unresponsive and his family upset because they had not agreed to place him on the LCP.

posted October 03, 2013 07:49 PM            

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