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PhoenixRising
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posted October 01, 2013 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Republicans cannot repeal the law in the current Congress and hence they have resorted to this political move bringing the government to a shutdown. They have failed in the past from stopping the law from being passed and therefore are pushing it to the Senate to stop or delay the plan using budgeting disagreement as an excuse.

Sad day today for the freest county in the world where such political drama brought a nation to a shutdown.


Its a win win for the Americans to have:
-- preexisting conditions covered
-- small business employees should be covered
-- individuals with no insurance required to participate and thus save money if they have health issues
-- children can stay under parents coverage until 26
-- No life CAP on benefits(edited) added on 10/3

When insurance carriers are required to spend 80% of the premiums on its members -- i'm sure they will try to kill the bill.

Let them exit the exchanges and pave way for private insurance companies. It will be free market at its best.

Good job Obama!

Good job Democrats for getting the idea first.

I'm embarassed by the republicans act.


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posted October 01, 2013 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Phoenix there is plenty of shame.

Not to mention embarrassing, personally I find it criminal negligence.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-negligence/

Criminal Negligence Law & Legal Definition


Criminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence. Proof of that mental state requires that the failure to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that a result will occur must be a gross deviation from the standard of a reasonable person. Criminal negligence is conduct which is such a departure from what would be that of an ordinary prudent or careful person in the same circumstance as to be incompatible with a proper regard for human life or an indifference to consequences. Criminal negligence is negligence that is aggravated, culpable or gross.

The following is an example of one state's statute defining criminal negligence:

''A person acts with 'criminal negligence' with respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.''

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posted October 01, 2013 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few GOPs find this treason.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 01, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Man. We have a live one, Jwhop. You deal with it

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posted October 01, 2013 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This person has only 11 posts. I think it may be one of our old GU'ers in new form. I can't say improved

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posted October 01, 2013 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 01, 2013 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The GOP just wants the individual mandate postponed for a year to match the extension Obama gave to big business. Obama's legacy is that the shutdown occurred on his watch. A good leader would bring the two opposing parties together--like Reagan did.

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posted October 01, 2013 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 01, 2013 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the many challenges a black man faces in getting a law passed by white men in the Congress.


Are you a republican or pretend to be one?

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Ami Anne
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posted October 01, 2013 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
One of the many challenges a black man faces in getting a law passed by white men in the Congress.


Are you a republican or pretend to be one?


I want to dedicate a song to you. I will do it in Sweet Peas under my dedication thread

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posted October 01, 2013 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AmIAnne -- yeah I returned. I introduced poison pill when Obama got elected and stayed for years to see how you all will take this.

I wasn't surprised a bit to see so much Obama bashing still going on --- heheh.

"Foolishness is doing same thing over and over and expecting different results."

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posted October 01, 2013 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad to know that I can arouse the poetess in you.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 01, 2013 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PhoenixRising:
Glad to know that I can arouse the poetess in you.


What was your previous Username. I have guesses but don't want to make a false Eris pick or nothin


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posted October 01, 2013 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right, it's a shame O'Bomber and Hairy Reid wouldn't go for even a mild compromise to keep the government open. Which shows just how extreme the Marxist Socialist Progressives really are.

Maybe you give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks. Perhaps you fancy yourself a "Citizen of the World". I don't give a rat's ass and I'm an American citizen.

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posted October 01, 2013 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't give a rat's ass and I'm an American citizen.

Well said, Jwhop. Play it again, Sam. I don't know why everything makes me think of songs

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posted October 01, 2013 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop please don't confuse having some of the best doctors in the world translate to the best healhcare.
The blood of 1000's who die every year because of an inefficient health care system will be upon you.

America has the least efficient, most expensive health care system as even this article confirms:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/most-efficient-healthcare_n_3825477.html

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posted October 01, 2013 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop please don't confuse having some of the best doctors in the world translate to the best healhcare.
The blood of 1000's who die every year because of an inefficient health care system will be upon you.

America has the least efficient, most expensive health care system as even this article confirms:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/most-efficient-healthcare_n_3825477.html

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posted October 01, 2013 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course it matters to the world what goes on in America. Especially to the east asians whose influence in the wall street will take away that funding that will prevent any one from contesting the elections.


Have you risen in your politic stature? I wonder if you know how to play politics. Doesn't seem like you do from what I read so far.

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posted October 01, 2013 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Jwhop please don't confuse having some of the best doctors in the world translate to the best healhcare"...PhoenixRising

You sound confused Phoenix. The United States has..or, before O'BomberCare, had the best health care delivery system in the world. Which is the reason people from all over the world come to America for medical treatment...even when they have paid up Socialist medical care back home. They would like to live.

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posted October 01, 2013 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once again you got it all mixed up. A nation will have the best doctors but when that doctor is not available when needed , the healthcare is inefficient. Read Obama's statements when he got elected and how he wants to change the world. Your party will go to whatever extent as they did today just to keep those needy and poor from getting treatment.

A healthy America is a stronger America, fiscally and militarily.

You don't want the terrorists and enemies of the free world to think how broken our government is in the inside.

Anyway lets continue the post on a broken health care system.

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posted October 02, 2013 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your party will go to whatever extent as they did today just to keep those needy and poor from getting treatment."...PhoenixRising

Don't be an ass PhoenixRising. Everyone gets treated in America whether they have health insurance or not; whether they can pay..or not.

That's the law and has been for more than 25 years.

"Read Obama's statements when he got elected and how he wants to change the world."...PhoenixRising

I can't think of a better reason to impeach the Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber. He too has "Delusions of Grandeur". He thinks he's Emperor of the World when he's only a total failure in every metric of Presidential governance.

Btw, O'BomberCare is already having an effect on doctors...which will lead to a Doc shortage and long waits to see a doctor. Doctors are closing up shop. Other doctors will not agree to practice medicine for the absurd fees contained in O'BomberCare. So, you may have health insurance and no doctor to see you or treat you. Isn't O'Bomber great? Now, you have health insurance!

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posted October 02, 2013 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"Your party will go to whatever extent as they did today just to keep those needy and poor from getting treatment."...PhoenixRising

Don't be an ass PhoenixRising. Everyone gets treated in America whether they have health insurance or not; whether they can pay..or not.

That's the law and has been for more than 25 years.

"Read Obama's statements when he got elected and how he wants to change the world."...PhoenixRising

I can't think of a better reason to impeach the Marxist Messiah, O'Bomber. He too has "Delusions of Grandeur". He thinks he's Emperor of the World when he's only a total failure in every metric of Presidential governance.

Btw, O'BomberCare is already having an effect on doctors...which will lead to a Doc shortage and long waits to see a doctor. Doctors are closing up shop. Other doctors will not agree to practice medicine for the absurd fees contained in O'BomberCare. So, you may have health insurance and no doctor to see you or treat you. Isn't O'Bomber great? Now, you have health insurance!


Yes, I have many doctors in my family. Smart people are not gonna put up with the NObama crap.

These low info voters are going to go into the doctors office and get............................ Well, I can't say. Use your imagination.

NOBama has many impeachable and treasonous actions that SHOULD get him bounced out of that office and into prison.

If it doesn't happen, we are already in tyranny, Friends.

As much as I bemoan it, it was supposed to happen from what I have studied.

Yet, that does not mitigate the pain one single bit

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posted October 02, 2013 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Incorrect when you said "Everyone gets treated in America whether they have health insurance or not; whether they can pay..or not."

The uninsured gets treated only in the ER when its too late.

Instead of corrective action Obama has proposed a preventive action. Don't wait till the last minute. The system will be changed for you atleast on this one. In any way of life-- preventive maintenance has always saved people tons of money.


Never heard of doctors running away. Traditionally doctors were supposed to have a noble cause when they chose to practise. It should have always been that way. Somewhere along a capitalist America may have converted this noble profession in to a business.

Perhaps, the doctor's are running away because of fear of delayed payments by the government who are well known for it. Let them run and give way to new doctors . We can even sponsor for their education especially the bright ones.

I don't want to take UK as an example -- but I do believe that the best doctors in UK work in the public sector which serves 90% of the population and only 10% in private. Lets take the best part that works there and try to apply it here. In essence when the law says 80% should go towards members benefits -- means most carriers should be non profit and or public sector or get out of that business. Ofcourse, Medicare does not go away today.

I don't believe in Utopia but believe in governing by intelligent people.

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posted October 02, 2013 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 02, 2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Incorrect when you said "Everyone gets treated in America whether they have health insurance or not; whether they can pay..or not."...PhoenixRising

It is true. It's true at hospitals, true at low cost clinics and true at free clinics all across America. The poor are treated in America...insurance of not.

Now, let me introduce you to a medical insurance program for the poor.

It's called Medicaid, federally funded, run by the states and available to low income people. But, you gotta go and sign up. There is absolutely no excuse for the poor to claim they can't get treated for injury or illness. And if they do so claim, they're lying.

There's also no excuse for O'BomberCare.

"Never heard of doctors running away. Traditionally doctors were supposed to have a noble cause when they chose to practise. It should have always been that way. Somewhere along a capitalist America may have converted this noble profession in to a business."...PhoenixRising

Now, you're sounding like a grubby little Marxist who expects doctors and others to labor on your behalf..for free or at slave wages...just because you exist. The more you talk, the more I like it Phoenix. Your leftist views are coming into sharp focus.

So Phoenix, please explain why a highly skilled physician with 8-12 years of schooling in medicine should give his services to you for free...or at costs below his costs of delivery? Go ahead Phoenix, explain yourself!

Wow Phoenix, bringing up the British Socialist Healthcare System.

I suppose it's escaped your notice that people die in Britain waiting to see a specialist. Women are delivering babies in the parking lot of hospitals. People pulling their own teeth because they can't get appointments. It's a major scandal in Britain.

And how about this Phoenix...

How about those Socialist British doctors who work for the British Socialist healthcare system committing medical murder against their patients.

Obviously, this is what O'Bomber wants to bring to America. How about you Phoenix, are you OK with medical murder?

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