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Ami Anne
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posted October 03, 2013 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AND TO THINK, how I sat in his grassroot local office and VOLUNTEERED my time (the WHOLE TIME while feeling soooo sick in my body!!--- I THOUGHT he was gonna bring me RELIEF if I helped get him elected), BOTH ELECTIONS!.... What a Trick!!

This is my point. It was all a scam. Obamacare is a scam. 1-8-- FU is perfect to describe what Obama has done to this country.

I am sorry for you, Mirage but there will be millions like you but it is too late, my Friend. We have one shred of hope and that is that he is impeached. Short of this, it is over. We are in tyranny already. Obama has committed treason and flaunts the laws daily. It is over if we can't get him out. This is why I am so passionate, as is Jwhop and others. Our country has been destroyed and people like Cat won't face it.

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Catalina
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posted October 03, 2013 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I don't know what the ACA has to do with probs that have been ongoing for over a decade?

Nor do I understand what kind of Medicare you have at 58, sounds like medicaid to me...which can be very limited but a good caseworker can usually find the way to make it work..

I have friends on Medicare. They get their glasses and exams cheap or free and one of them has had several extensive surgeries and PT for the collateral damage of her injuries that required those surgeries...She is living on Social Security and loving Medicare but she had to wait till she was 65 to get it?

I experienced a Medicaid clinic where if I wanted to get an xray it was out of pocket, if i wanted a blood test it was out of pocket, etcetera etcetera. But it sounds to me like you are getting bad advice/assistance.

When I lived in England the National Health didn't cover much dental work. I spent a long time going from dentist to dentist to find one that could do what I needed. Several even told me it couldn't be done...One day a friend referred me to someone and lo and behold he could do anything at all and it cost half what others charged. Same system, different operative.

The same applies here. If I go to Chinatown to a great dentist it costs me half what the locals ask for. THat is in the free market.

People who are blaming the ACA for shoddy treatment/workmanship are blaming something that hasn't even really kicked in yet. How does that compute?

What state are you in if you don't mind me asking, Mirage?

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mirage29
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posted October 04, 2013 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Catalina....florida since April 2001. For insurance, I actually AM and have been on Medicare (not Medicaid). It started two years after my qualifying for disability. SocSec considers me as 'disabled/ early retired'; BUT the State refuses to include ANYONE who is not chronologically 62* to qualify for benefits in "Senior" Programs. I'm too old and too young-- at the same time. (or whatever age* they have it at now... seems that they keep raising it proportionally, as I reach each year).

I am NOT on SSI (Supplemental security income). --- I bet your friend was on THAT program? "SSI" uses the (State) Medicaid for its health program. I am on "SSDI" (Soc Sec Disability Income).

I joke and say that I "missed" qualifying for "SSI" BECAUSE I was a hardworking employee who 'showed up at work' even when 'ill' at times, instead of going home to rest and recuperate as I SHOULD have. Made me "over-qualify" my income by (the FIRST application time) ONLY $1.00!.... Then it creeped to $2.00, then $6.00, then onwards to $18-20+... Bottomline is that The bar kept going UP, and the QUALITY OF CARE just plunged.

In my research.... I found that there had been the untimely deaths of a small core group of wonderful people, who instituted some innovative programs here that never FULLY launched nor were competently managed and understood..... The money was NOT well-spent. The targeted population was NOT effectively reached. This was a Very Great Loss to our Region.... of persons, and of financial resource. Last one's death was 2007/8?... Damaged the care delivery in this region. Bush instituted a HUGE stumbling block, putting all into the tailspin. MANY vulnerable persons were helplessly victimized. He honestly DIDN'T "know" the human consequence of his awful plans.... (including 9-11!!) If he would have known...the Human Suffering he caused, I'm SURE he would have NEVER done that! ... hindsight is 20/20?

ANYWAY, I am actually better off NOT being "SSI".... because I'm realizing now that THIS is that "Medicaid"-doctor program, which DOES NOT have the specialist-level docs I need for my particular problems.

I had looked into these (Federal) Medicare Managed Plans (i.e. yearly 'voucher' package-plans)? In the part of the country where I live?....The participating doctors I investigated or visited SUCK!!! They're mean, lazy, and mediocre. (I'm telling you for real.) You "sell" your Federal MEDICARE for a voucher-set of lower quality care of doctors.... (well, at least in THIS region where I'm living at present.....)

Cattalina, I'm really glad to HEAR that there are BETTER doctors elsewhere.... You SEE for yourself "how" they have "handled" MY casework.... The ones I've personally met have SUCKED. It will be hard to 'buy back' MY trust. I "know" better.... but keep falling for the Hope-Trick thing. (Get mad at myself for falling into their lies.) If YOU know or have 'connections' to Trustworthy people, then I'm all for it! Maybe I've not hit the right 'vein'...?

I've had a hard TEN YEAR look at the 'garden variety' of network here!! Seems all to be 'Mediocrity' advertised under differing propaganda. A 'pretty ad-campaign' does NOT make a SKILLED caring physician, or a 'clean' SAFE hospital. Even IF my city is doing advertising blitzes with (at this point) extremely GRANDIOSE imaginations, I want to tell you that 'in my experience' it is NOT the truth. This City AIN'T the 'Field of Dreams' Movie theme it wants to push and taut. (build it, and they will come..... yeah?? well here? you Come to see 'pretty renewed buildings' but HORRIBLE levels of non-care and medical errors!) On local news we see stories about (especially) unfortunate tourists even getting botched care here, AND being crime victims (I cringe, how awful!).

I am NOT kidding you. (Many here at LL know I have a big sense of humor, but I am NOT joking with this. Healthcare is seriously degraded here.) Maybe perhaps 20 years from now they'll be able to attract better care...? But RIGHT NOW? I challenge them to SHOW ME? Prove me wrong! I don't "see" what they "advertise"... FORGET IT! It's just attractive showmanship, just "advertisements" --- I really wish it was as REAL as they want it to be... I have personally spent quality prayer & intercession time for that to happen here.... because I CARE!

I was excited once to THINK I found one of their docs who SAID he treated my disorder. (I want healing!) Come to find out that he BLATANTLY "lied"....and almost 'proudly' ADMITTED IT! (HUH???) I asked him WHY he would lie about that? His narcissistic response answered my question! False Advertising. Steals my Trust and Faith... Makes me worry sooooo much now! WHO can I 'trust'?.... (Sometimes those narcissistic docs are SICKER than the patients they treat! This is the way DAMAGE is done to vulnerable people coming for help to a Physical/MH care delivery system that Really sucks! It's scary!)

I am an ETERNAL OPTIMIST. I have NOT given up on me. And even if I pass through lower believing at times, my spirit always rises... I "default" towards HOPE and a Life...

'Medical Societies' believe in nihilistic philosophies-- because they think that 'mindset' saves them money... if the old are abandoned and go ahead and die, it will benefit the Society. What good is an old person?.... waste of resources?

Well I think that's where they TOTALLY miss it!~~ probably because they're too busy making money. They don't have the foresight to incorporate and USE the influence that good elders can give them: WISDOM!! They'd rather "save money" than "save lives"... so UTTERLY sad!

Save and Utilize the gifts still resident in Seniors (and near-senior, experienced person like me)... Doing so will 'enrich' the WHOLE of Society .... Not money 'rich'.... I say 'enrich' it with talents latent in People Power!

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Ami Anne
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posted October 04, 2013 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whak kid with intelligence, integrity and desire for his OWN future is going to go to Med School now?

The cost is tens of thousands per year and when you get out, you will have tons of regulations and you will not be able to make the salary commensurate with your struggles.

Making money for your efforts is capitalism which NOBama hates.

Socialism doesn't work. I wish it did. It would be better if it did but it does not fit with human nature.

It is such a mess.

Obama has ruined the doctor pool as well as everything else.

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Randall
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posted October 04, 2013 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will take years to recover from the havoc this president has wreaked on the country. Two consecutive Republican terms with a House and Senate majority should do it.

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posted October 04, 2013 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to hear your story Mirage. I have heard that Florida is not very good for poor people in general from people who live there, members of this forum not included.

I am in California but my friend has benefitted from SS and MEdicare only since her retirement. She never made much money but she did put away as much as poss so now she is living on the SS (not much when you didn't earn much!). Until retirement she paid for her own insurance so she is very glad to get Medicare and pare her expenses down. She does buy supplementary coverage from Kaiser, I believe, though some people use just Medicare, including a 90 year old lady I know in Rhode Island who seems well taken care of.

Before leaving work my Cali friend had a fall which broke several vertebrae and after months of trying to recuperate without, had a couple of surgeries which got her going again.

I hope you find some doctors and personnel who will help you figure out how to get the care you need. I believe Florida is not going in for the state exchanges so you will have to use the Fed ones.... It's a monster law that obviously needs some fixing but it's still an improvement for the previously uninsurable and if you are on Disability I would suspect you will get subsidized.

Bureaucracy is a b1tch, whether it's private insurance, the bank or the ACA. It takes great forbearance to get through all the hurdles, I know.

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posted October 04, 2013 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Conservatives are sabotaging themselves right now. This isn't the way to do things.

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Randall
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posted October 04, 2013 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree. It's the Dems who won't budge. If businesses get a pass for a year, so should individuals. Many Dems will lose their seats in the next elections.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 04, 2013 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
I disagree. It's the Dems who won't budge. If businesses get a pass for a year, so should individuals. Many Dems will lose their seats in the next elections.

I hope so but if there are no picture IDs, the election will be stolen. What do you think?

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posted October 04, 2013 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
It will take years to recover from the havoc this president has wreaked on the country. Two consecutive Republican terms with a House and Senate majority should do it.

Yes, if the elections are not being set up to be stolen.
You have to add that NObama has the system to spy on everyone and that adds up to blackmail such as must have happened with Judge Roberts. There is no other logical explanation for that and that was the genesis of NOBama care.
So, if we have blackmail and no picture IDs, we are screwed.

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posted October 04, 2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, Randall, are you saying that a decade of purely Republican rule is what will make everything right? Why not just abolish all other parties and get it over with?

Oh, but hang on, less people identify as Republicans than as Dems and Independents...how you gonna put it over?

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posted October 04, 2013 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I think Conservatives are sabotaging themselves right now. This isn't the way to do things.

REAL Republicans are "trying" to work it out right now. IF ONLY they can get Speaker Boehner to not be so intimidated, small, and afraid! Saying YES to the BULLIES is NOT a sign of strength, but of Self-Doubt and invalidating one's feeling of competence and worth. Need clear boundaries.

It takes soul-searching Courage to 'STAND UP', grab your bowels, and AFFIRM to 'do the right thing!'

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