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Catalina
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posted September 28, 2014 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5878038

A group of Islamic clerics...conservatives ... have issued another refutstion of the opportunistic use of Islam and the Quran for rationalization of terror.

Islamic State is NOT an organization condoned by most Muslims and they DO speak out. It is time to stop the propaganda that says all Muslims are the problem,

It is also time f or countries make very clear that immigrants must follow, not dictate, the law of the land they migrate to.

The propaganda otherwise is justv that. ..fear mongering to justify more control worldwide.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting this!

Muslims in France have led a public protest too: http://rt.com/news/191060-paris-muslims-protest-gourdel/

Meanwhile, in Northern Ireland, Muslims have been attacked because of hate speech by a Pastor: http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/09/27/muslims-flee-northern-ireland-to-escape-anti-islam-violence-2/


Systematic hate against all Muslims because of a few brainwashed terrorists [financed by Oligarchs] who misquote sacred texts is slowly taking the format of Nazi Germany's campaign against Jews.
In Nazi Germany, all the good done by Jews was buried by the State Media and the slightest of negativity was highlighted manifold to create an impression that the Jews were out to rule Germany and then Europe. Goebbels was a master of such propaganda. These days, with the help of social media, tons of lies against Islam and Muslims are being spread at light speed. While the bigots get busy spreading hate, Russia, China, Japan and India will slowly and surely gobble up the World's wealth. No damage will be done to Muslims in the long term but all those who hate them will hurt themselves as per the Law of Karma.

BTW, I am grateful to the Christian and Jewish Liberals who are highlighting the hate crimes against Muslims and are helping in fighting Islamophobia in Europe and America. I never expected jewsnews.com to highlight hate crimes against Muslims.

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posted September 29, 2014 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good article and I have so many comments to make that could travel down so many different roads.

For GU, I will say it`s a long road and the executive summary of their letter is exactly what we have been trying to explain here.

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Systematic hate against all Muslims because of a few brainwashed terrorists [financed by Oligarchs] who misquote sacred texts is slowly taking the format of Nazi Germany's campaign against Jews.

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posted September 29, 2014 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other day I posted a story about the Day of Action in Germany...thousands of Muslims across many cities protes ting ISIL ... but those whose minds are made up don't even look at such when set betore them.

Of course there is also a new rise of anti-Jewish sentiment being displayed too. It's all encouraged by propaganda on both sides and it's all despicable.

Goering is being proven right once again. Tell people you're being attacked and reasonable voices are traitors,Unpatriotic, and a certain proportion of the public will be whipped into foaming hatred/justification everytime.

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posted September 29, 2014 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right! Check!
"Moderate Muslims" standing up against terrorists and terrorism.

Oh, except in this case where a Muslim terrorist murdered and beheaded an American woman in Oklahoma. In this case, those "moderate Muslims" praised Allah for their Muslim terrorist brother beheading an American woman.

“Praise Allah!!!” Shouted by Muslims in OK After Police Press Conference on Beheaded Woman
Aaron Goldstein
9.28.14

As if the beheading of a woman in Oklahoma wasn't disturbing enough.

After the conclusion of a press conference on Friday by local authorities concerning the beheading, a group of Muslims surrounded police and some of them chanted "Praise Allah!!!"

President Obama can say Islam does not condone these killings all he wants. The fact is there are Muslims on American soil (some of whom may have been born here) who are every bit as prepared to publicly delight in the death of an American as Muslims on the West Bank were following the attacks of September 11, 2001. This is a global problem and we are not immune from it. But as long as President Obama isn't prepared to acknowledge the problem, it will only continue to grow and our capacity to resist the problem will diminish. In time, it could diminish to the point where we no longer can fight back.

Of course, how can President Obama acknowledge the problem if he, as of this moment, isn't prepared to make a statement about the beheading of Colleen Hufford.
http://spectator.org/blog/60508/praise-allah-shouted-muslims-ok-after-police-press-conference-beheaded-woman

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posted September 29, 2014 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Spectator has an interesting history..
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In 2013, the magazine reverted to a tabloid format, reflecting the roots of the magazine, which was originally published at a large size. (For most of the 1990s and all of the 2010s the Spectator had published in a traditional magazine format.)

In 2011, Assistant Editor Patrick Howley published a piece detailing his infiltration of a Washington, D.C. protest. In the article, Howley asserts his aim to "mock and undermine" the protest against American Imperialism, and writes in the first person about his experiences protesting at the National Air and Space Museum.[3] This article, and the methods detailed within, was condemned by other publications due to perceived conflation of journalism and politics.[4][5][6] Matt Steinglass wrote that Howley "winds up offering a vision of politics as a kind of self-focused performance art, or perhaps (to say the same thing) a version of Jackass.

A wiki snippet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Spectator

I tried to find the info found in less biased sources but can`t.

Besides pat dollard, free republic and the christain news, Do you have any other sources to share?

I ask because this has been front page news and the fact of the crowd shouting this hasn`t been spoke of.

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posted September 29, 2014 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-fired-worker-beheaded-oklahoma-woman-25799015

Yes of course. A man wearing tatoos of both Christian and Muslim flavours commits a disgusting copycat crime and you write off all of Islam despite the majority disapproval of this violence.

But when a doctor was shot in Church a couple of years ago you called it "rough justice".

Haters come in all flavours, and religious nutters do too.

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posted September 29, 2014 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In fact, Juni, the link above from ABC news mentions the opposite response.

To say there are no extreme Muslims would be a lie. To focus on them to the exclusion of the majority is to encourage the extremists and DIScourage the peaceful.

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posted September 29, 2014 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose the Unabomber's attacks on LEFTISTS mean that all conservatives are bombers, right? There were people willing to defend his cause if not his actions, were they proof of the vile nature of conservatism?

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posted September 29, 2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're delusional and you're in denial.

This terrorist murderer had been hectoring and lecturing other employees at the meat packing plant about converting to Islam. He got fired for harassing employees on the job...and for singing the praises of stoning women. Nice, very, very nice.

As for this terrorist murderers supporters praising him for beheading an American woman, that happened too.

I understand your desire to misdirect the conversation to so called "moderate Muslims". So here's your chance.

Name one!

I note the interest in the Spectator's history.

I'm a hell of a lot more interested in a publication's propensity to tell the truth...or not.

Good for Howley if he infiltrated a hate filled protest by America haters and wrote about it. I'm sure there were other America hating publications who thought it just terrible that one of their group got caught preaching hate against America and spread the news about "hate America leftists".

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posted September 29, 2014 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, I didn`t ask facetiously. I asked because this harkens back to the conversation on home grown terrorism.
A plague that needs addressed . It should be a high priority.
I know another member stated it wasn`t an issue and a diversion but I say different.
Radicals come in every form and every country.
I simply wondered if this was an influence in / on America or an isolated individual.


thanks Cat for a different yet disheartening read. That article is all the subject matter I have been able to pull up by media sources. No mentions of the shouting .

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posted September 29, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear, here's another one of those "peaceful moderate Muslims threatening to behead another woman in Oklahoma!

What a run of "bad luck" for those "peaceful Muslim moderates".

2nd Oklahoma man threatened to behead coworker, police say
Jessica Chasmar
The Washington Times
Sunday, September 28, 2014

A fired Oklahoma City nursing home employee was arrested Friday for allegedly threatening to behead a co-worker — less than 20 miles from where Alton Alexander Nolen is accused of beheading a co-worker the day before.

Jacob Mugambi Muriithi, 30, is being held in the Oklahoma County jail on a terrorism complaint. His bail is set at $1 million, The Oklahoman reported.

The arrest came on the same day police in Moore identified Vaughan Foods worker Alton Alexander Nolen as the suspect accused of beheading a co-worker Thursday after he was fired. Mr. Nolen is a Muslim convert and had recently started trying to convert several employees to Islam, police said.

Mr. Muriithi has been identified as a native of Kenya who worked at Bellevue Nursing Home in northwest Oklahoma City, The Oklahoman reported.

The co-worker, who was not identified, reported Mr. Muriithi threatened her while they were both working at the nursing home on Sept. 19. She said Mr. Muriithi called himself a Muslim and said Islamic State fighters beheading Christians “is just what we do.”

Mr. Muriithi told the victim that he was going to cut her head off with “a blade,” and then told her after he did it that he would post it on Facebook, a police detective wrote in an arrest warrant affidavit.

“The victim said [Mr. Muriithi] was serious when speaking and never made any statements that he was joking or playing around,” the detective wrote, The Oklahoman reported.

The woman reported Mr. Muriithi repeated the threat as she left work, saying in front of another employee that he was going to use a blade, the detective reported.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/28/2nd-oklahoma-man-threatened-behead-coworker-police/

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posted September 29, 2014 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is good to take such threats seriously no matter who makes them. To pretend that this convicts all Muslims is lynch mentality. Very American... NOT

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posted September 29, 2014 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh dear, here's another one of those "peaceful moderate Muslims threatening to behead another woman in Oklahoma!

This is not a peaceful moderate anything.

It is someone who is using his hate to fuel ,demean with a potential to destroy another human being. This is terroristic tendencies not seen in any moderate Christian, Muslim or Jew..

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posted September 29, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://rt.com/news/189168-german-muslims-protest-isis/

Even many conservative muslims want the radicals stopped. There is no question that sharia should not be allowed to operate in our country. It is considered extreme by most modern muslims.

Bush was also careful to distinguish terrorists from their professed religious "alibi"/ justification.

But it is telling that murder by gun for ideologic/psychological reasons seems less frightening to some than using a blade.

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posted September 29, 2014 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, now put on your work pants and tell us when was the last time a "Christian or a Jew" threatened to or actually did behead a Muslim.

I'll wait right here till you getaroundtoit!

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posted September 30, 2014 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Different terrorist haters have different techniques. Terrorist Haters from extremist Muslim backgrounds perform beheading or suicide bombing.

Terrorist Haters from extremist Christian backgrounds like Ku Klux Klan lynched African Americans by the hundreds. Earlier Christian terrorists destroyed Native American women and children in acts of grotesque terror, when they should have only battled the men in a fair fight.
And they all religiously read the Bible, Sunday after Sunday.

Terrorist Haters of the Nazi background used gas chambers and Terrorist Haters of Jewish religion laid many villages waste by killing even infants and pregnant women, as per the honest confession and documentation in Deuteronomy.

Terrorist Haters of Hindu background burnt Muslims to death, as they did in 2002 Gujarat Riots.

Thus, no religion is better than the other when it comes to terror from the lunatic fringe of their extremist followers.

Only a complete imbecile would hate a religion or a billion followers of a religion because of the terrorist activities of the lunatic fringe.

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posted September 30, 2014 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back in the day the Govt paid Bounties for Scalps. The prices ranged from $10 for a child's scalp to maybe $50 for a grown male. That is where the word REDSKIN comes from. Charming, right?

Lynchings and burnings in the name of Our Lord by the KKK and others down the ages...

How about death by dunking for being too pretty/too good at healing people?

As I said. When someone uses a gun to murder a doctor in Church, it is somehow less scary for us cowboys than beheading...I mean to behead someone you have to actually come into contact with them. You have to have the courage -or anger - of your convictions.

The gunman has no more respect for human life but because we are blasé about guns and he doesn't have to look his victim in the eye, it's just another bad day in Black Rock - Rough Justice for those we don't like.

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posted September 30, 2014 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I understand your desire to misdirect the conversation to so called "moderate Muslims". So here's your chance.

Name one!"

I know you've been sooo busy trying to find a "moderate Muslim" since I issued this challenge.

Here, let me help you out! Here's a moderate "peace loving Muslim". We know it's true because the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber said so at the UN.

I guess it all depends on what YOUR DEFINITION OF MODERATE AND PEACEFUL IS TODAY!

During UN Speech Obama Praises "Moderate" Muslim Who Called For Slaughter of U.S. Troops
Katie Pavlich
Sep 25, 2014

During his address to the United Nation's General Assembly yesterday, President Obama repeatedly made it a point to stress how Islam is a religion of peace. In making his case, Obama cited Sheikh bin Bayyah as a moderate.

"We have reaffirmed again and again that the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. Islam teaches peace. Muslims the world over aspire to live with dignity and a sense of justice. And when it comes to America and Islam, there is no us and them, there is only us -- because millions of Muslim Americans are part of the fabric of our country. So we reject any suggestion of a clash of civilizations. Belief in permanent religious war is the misguided refuge of extremists who cannot build or create anything, and therefore peddle only fanaticism and hate," Obama said. "Look at the new Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies -- Sheikh bin Bayyah described its purpose: 'We must declare war on war, so the outcome will be peace upon peace.' Look at the young British Muslims who responded to terrorist propaganda by starting the “NotInMyName” campaign, declaring, 'ISIS is hiding behind a false Islam.'"

In a story published last night, The Free Beacon's Adam Credo points out that Bayyah is anything but a moderate and backed a fatwah of American troops in Iraq. Or in other words, called for their slaughter. Bayyah wants the same for Jews and Israel.

Bin Bayyah himself has long been engulfed in controversy for many of his views, including the reported backing of a 2004 fatwa that advocated violent resistance against Americans fighting in Iraq.

This is not the first time that the Obama administration has extoled Bin Bayyah, who also has served as the vice president of a Muslim scholars group founded by a radical Muslim Brotherhood leader who has called “for the death of Jews and Americans,” according to Fox News and other reports.

Concern over the administration’s relationship with Bin Bayyah started as early as 2013, when outrage ensued after he was reported to have met with Obama’s National Security Council staff at the White House.

Additionally, the notorious 2004 fatwa permitting armed resistance against U.S. military personnel in Iraq reportedly stated that “resisting occupation troops” is a “duty” for all Muslims, according to reports about the edict.

In Obama's words, are these actions Bayyah's way of "aspiring to live with dignity and a sense of justice"? Pro-tip: When you're making a case for moderate Islam, it's probably best not to cite a radical who wants to see Americans killed.

The fact that Bayyah has been advising the Obama administration for years is extremely alarming. "Moderate" Muslims from other radical groups tied to terrorist organizations, like CAIR, are also regular visitors to the White House.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/25/obama-praises-moderate-muslim-who-called-for-slaughter-of-us-troops-n1896533

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posted September 30, 2014 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you see the title of the thread jwhop? It appears to be YOU who is attempting to DIVERT the conversation.

Personally I don't know of this Sheikh Bayyah. However if a foreign army invaded Florida would you call attacking their troops a Fatwah, a moral imperative, or just fighting back?

Your ability to put yourself in the shoes of others is admirable. You appear to have no understanding - and why should you, you are American right? - of the violation felt by those invaded. Whatever their religion, I expect the instinct to fight back is universal. The methods may seem outlandish to you. Sorry bout that but there are many different approaches to life.

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posted September 30, 2014 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"However if a foreign army invaded Florida would you call attacking their troops a Fatwah, a moral imperative, or just fighting back?"..Catalina/katatonic

Get back to me when O'Bomber...or another US president deliberately, intentionally and wilfully kills a million Americans...as Saddam Hussein killed Iraqi citizens and I'll lead the charge in issuing that Fatwah against that president.

Until then, I'm still waiting for the excuse makers to NAME THAT OR THOSE PEACEFUL, MODERATE MUSLIMS! GO FOR IT!

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posted September 30, 2014 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you bothered to read the links you wouldn't need to ask. But that is who this thread is about. Now if you want to start a thread hating on Muslims, feel free, but none of your EXTREMIST HATER examples cancel out the efforts being made by many Muslims to end the Islamic State campaign of terror and violence.

But here's a bone for you. I imagine you have heard of Salman Rushdie?

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posted September 30, 2014 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile I said FOREIGN invaders. Which we are over there.

Say the Islamic state come here to liberate you from the infidel/socialists. You going to welcome them bombing a hole in your roof, poisoning your environment with dirty uranium, beheading your President (even Obama)? Because they tell you it's for your own good? Lmao

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Oh, you mean Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council of American-Islamic Relations...CAIR..a group tied to Hamas and one of the financial support groups of the terrorists of Hamas?

This is your PEACEFUL, MODERATE MUSLIM?The group..CAIR which supports Hamas rocketing Israeli civilians, blowing up women and children on buses?

CAIR who agitates for Sharia Law in the United States...in opposition to our Constitutional law? Female genital mutilations and honor killings. This is your PEACEFUL, MODERATE MUSLIM?

No sale. Surely you can do better than this...that is, unless you're talking through your hat..which is what I expect from you.

Listen up. I know you America hating leftists gravitate to any Socialist tyrant..including the Socialist Saddam Hussein. He was one of your murderous Socialist boys. And, didn't you and your Socialist comrades move heaven and earth to protect your murderous little Socialist dictator?

Yes you did...and you haven't stopped yet.

Saddam Hussein...and all the other murderous Socialist tyrants were and are a blight on humanity. Saddam and his insane murderous sons got exactly what they deserved.

Time now to put the rest of the Socialist murderers off planet earth...along side the common everyday terrorists you and Socialists like you try to protect and defend.

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Oh, you mean Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council of American-Islamic Relations...CAIR..a group tied to Hamas and one of the financial support groups...

What are you talking about now? Just off and ranting without bothering to consider what anyone else has said by the look of it. You are totally off on a tangent. Well nothing new there..

Anyone who chooses to ignore the 999 million plus peaceful Muslims and focus only on the highly visible terrorist faction does so BY CHOICE. There is plenty of evidence in this thread alone to show what you are missing but you aren't interested.

I note the obligatory references to dirty socialism that have nothing to do with what is being said here by anyone but your own OCD self. Can't you get through an hour without a dose of hate to ramp you up?

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