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Catalina
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posted October 16, 2014 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
perhaps Vajra's words will be more coherent than mine

I am seriously irked when I see attempts in the Western media, or among politicians, to scapegoat those brave people who fight the disease in Africa, or who volunteered as health workers in the West to care for those infected, and see xenophobic and irrational fears being spread in the population, when the fact remains that infectious diseases will cross borders, no matter how tight the controls, and have crossed borders as long as humanity exists.

death wish my arse.

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posted October 17, 2014 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I'm positive you would do a better job than the President. Even wIthout access to the data and daily fIeld repOrts..."

You sure have this right.

Any pubescent teen with average intelligence would do a better job of protecting America and Americans from a disease which kills 70% of those it infects than your little brain dead Marxist Messiah..O'Bomber.

Just for your information...because of your "information free", "fact free" existence:

African Nations Containing Ebola with Closed Borders as Obama Refuses to Institute Travel Ban
Tony Lee
17 Oct 2014

While the Obama administration refuses to institute an Ebola travel ban, African nations have been combating and containing Ebola by closing their borders.

The Associated Press noted that "border closings may also be helping halt the spread of Ebola" in a region in which 4,500 people have died of Ebola and over 200 medical professionals have passed away as well. Ebola, according to an NPR report, is referred to as the "nurse killer" in Liberia because it has also killed so many caretakers.

Ebola, as the Associated Press noted, has ravaged "Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, overwhelming their health systems," and countries like Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau, and Senegal that share a border with one of these affected countries "have closed those borders."

International SOS, which has been actively monitoring Ebola in Africa for its member organizations, has compiled a list of nations that have instituted "entry restrictions" for land, air, and water travel. In addition, "health screening has also been implemented at ports of entry and departure in various countries throughout West Africa."

At a House hearing on Thursday in which Centers for Disease Control director Tom Frieden refused to answer whether his agency has discussed travel restrictions with the White House, Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-VA) referenced the International SOS list. Frieden said he had not seen it yet but would take Griffith's word that numerous African nations have been successfully combating Ebola with border restrictions. Frieden, in a statement, admitted that "porous land borders" initially worsened the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian immigrant who died last week after becoming the first person on American soil to be diagnosed with Ebola and infecting at least two nurses who cared for him, entered the United States under questionable circumstances with a visa he should have never received.

These African nations, according to International SOS, have closed their borders to those from nations ravaged by Ebola and instituted various "entry restrictions":

•Kenya on 10 October announced that it had closed the Suam border crossing (Trans-Nzoia county) with Uganda due to reports of an Ebola-related death in Bukwo district (Uganda). Earlier, the Kenyan authorities on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.

•Cape Verde on 9 October announced that it would now deny entry to non-resident foreigners coming from countries with ‘intense Ebola transmission' – Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia - or who have been to those countries in the previous 30 days
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•Mauritius on 8 October banned entry to all travellers who have visited Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo (DRC) in the last two months, rather than just citizens of those countries, as was the case previously. The authorities have announced that entry restrictions for travellers from Senegal and Nigeria will be lifted on 10 October and 17 October respectively, if no further cases of Ebola infection are reported.

•Seychelles on 8 October suspended entry to travellers who have visited Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Nigeria or Congo (DRC) 28 days prior to their journey, with the exception of Seychellois citizens.

•Côte d'Ivoire has reopened in early October its borders with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.

•Equatorial Guinea is denying entry to travellers whose journeys originated in countries affected by Ebola.

•Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

•Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry. Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.

•South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.

•Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.

•Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.

•Côte d'Ivoire announced on 23 August that it had closed its land borders with Guinea and Liberia.

•Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.

•Rwanda, according to the US Department of State on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.

•Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

•Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.

•South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'.

According to International SOS, these African nations "have implemented Ebola-related travel restrictions":

•Gambia has banned the entry of flights from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
•Gabon has banned the entry of flights and ships from countries affected by Ebola.

•Senegal has banned flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

•Cameroon has banned flights to and from Nigeria.Chad has suspended all flights from Nigeria.

•Nigeria has suspended flights to the country operated by Gambian national carrier Gambia Bird.

•Côte d'Ivoire has now lifted the ban on passenger flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

These airlines "have restricted flights to Ebola-affected countries":

•Air France suspended flights to Sierra Leone from 28 August.

•The Togo-based carrier Asky Airlines has suspended flights to and from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

•Arik Air (Nigeria), Gambia Bird and Kenya Airways have suspended services to Liberia and Sierra Leone.

•British Airways has extended their suspension of flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until 31 December.

•Emirates Airlines has suspended flights to Guinea.

•Korean Air suspended flights to and from Kenya from 20 August.

•Senegal Airlines has suspended flights to and from Conakry (Guinea) until further notice.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/16/African-Nations-Containing-Ebola-with-Closed-Borders-as-Obama-Refuses-to-Institute-Travel-Ban

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Catalina
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posted October 17, 2014 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/world/europe/spain-ebola/index.html
Note that the husband of this nurse is still very much alive and well despite close contact with his infected wife.

*******

There hasnt been a new case in Nigeria in 7 weeks now. According to your list they are not admitting flights from ONE airline and apparently haven't closed their borders.

That makes all those other closings irrelevant, especially when you consider that the bans have only been in place recently and none of them have been affected.

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Catalina
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posted October 17, 2014 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Field day for fearmongers. The "alternative media" is pushing fear of the govt, the disease and the still non-existent vaccine.

Even if they were right, Sure makes all those guns and ammo look irrelevant doesn't it?

If the govt, or anyone, wanted to kill us all don't you think a bunch of stricknine in the water supply would be cheaper and easier?

African conspiracy theOrists see this as a way to move in on resource rich African regions and take over.

There is no end to the inventiveness of the paranoid mind raised on sci fi and disaster sagas.

In the meantime hospitals are getting prOactive about Preparing in the absence of diligence in that aspect on the part off the CDC. Who appear far more confident than competent to be honest.

Here's a theory for you. ..the Dems allowed the Liberian in to punish Texas for secession threats

Or

The Koch brothers engineered this outbreak to destroy the Dems election chances

Or

The disease itself is being FAKED to scare us all into taking a deadly vaccine


Anyone else got any good ones?

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jwhop
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posted October 17, 2014 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The Koch brothers engineered this outbreak to destroy the Dems election chances"

Batshiiit crazy!

Ummm, that Spanish nurse hasn't been living with her husband. She's been in quarantined isolation in the hospital...isolated from everyone who isn't geared up in HazMat protective clothing.

Oh, but you'll be happy to hear your little Marxist Messiah has appointed an Ebola Czar.

So who would a total nincompoop like the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber appoint as Czar over a deadly disease.

Is the Czar a doctor of contagious diseases? A physician with many years experience in treating infectious diseases? A specialist in immunology? A world renowned authority on viral diseases?

Nope, your little nincompoop, the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber has appointed a political hack with no medical background whatsoever. He's Joe Plugs O'Biden's Chief of Staff. A political hack attorney.

Wow, we can all rest easier now that the little Marxist Messiah nincompoop O'Bomber has risen to the occasion and appointed a political hack attorney to the post of EBOLA CZAR.

There is absolutely no intelligent life there!

Obama’s New Ebola ‘Czar’ Does Not Have Medical, Health Care Background
October 17, 2014

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/17/obamas-new-ebola-czar-d oes-not-have-medical-health-care-background/

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Catalina
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posted October 17, 2014 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was mentioning possible conspiracy theories about why the medical community has not been perfect and there have been a few cases outside africa. All totally SPECULATION. Sorry if that was too subtle for you.

The point was that everybody seems to think they know what's going on "behind the scenes" and it's all GOSSIP

But as the so called medical experts have not done a very good job of coordinating efforts what is needed is someone good at ORGANIZING not doctoring. After all, you reckon YOU could do better and what is your medical training? Your political connections that would help GET THINGS DONE?

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jwhop
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posted October 17, 2014 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Listen, Daffy Duck could do better...much better than the nincompoop Marxist Messiah O'Bomber.

Trying to run this Ebola outbreak through a maze of bureaucratic bunglers is just what one would expect from the Marxist Messiah O'Bomber.

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Catalina
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posted October 17, 2014 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's a good one

http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/ebo-lie-man-living-in-ghana-confirms-ebola-is-a-hoax/

never mind the holes in the thinking are miles wide.

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posted October 17, 2014 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another. Which actually makes sense - and I believe the author is doing exactly what he is describing though I am not going to ascribe sinister motives to him Or the medical community. ..

Its more about narrow thinking and looking for someone to blame (and seeing oneself as a victim)

http://www.theeventchronicle.com/ebola/ebola-stage-fake-epidemic/

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posted October 17, 2014 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And one from someone who actually is a healthworker who has been working with ebola people in liberia
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n20/paul-farmer/diary

Whatever folks are convinced of, their paradigm, will influence how they see this thing. i have heard preachers swearing that this is the result of allowing gay marriage, that Obama brought it upon us by "dividing Jerusalem" whatever that means, I am sure some people think that if they love Israel they will be Passed over and the people who dare criticize Israel;s policies will be taken....

the African version is the sneaky white man is trying to get control of their resources; the Republicans imply that Obama would love to see us laid low here...on and on and on

In short just another day on the rumour mill.

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posted October 18, 2014 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of the hazards of the hazmats...

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5998486?utm_hp_ref=tw


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posted October 18, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not everyone can access posts from FB. I found this today. Conservative Or not this reflects on the demands for shutting down air travel to and from "the affected region in Africa"

Dear Conservatives,

Since you insist on blowing up the situation with the Ebola virus to mind-numbing proportions, I have graciously created an action plan for you.

Surely you’ve heard about Thomas Eric Duncan by now. You know, the dude who became the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the USA. He had been visiting his family in Dallas and was treated at TEXAS Health Presbyterian Hospital?

(Remember the part about TEXAS. It’s important.)

Anyway, Mr. Duncan passed away of the Ebola virus disease, infecting two health care workers along the way: 26-year-old nurse Nina Pham and 29-year-old nurse Amber Vinson, both of whom had taken care of him at TEXAS Health Presbyterian Hospital.

So here’s the deal: if you conservatives are so terrified of Ebola, then you need to shut down TEXAS (with President Obama’s help of course).

Shut down all TEXAS borders, particularly those with New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.Stop all flights to and from TEXAS and shut down all ports. Yesterday.Arrest and quarantine anyone from TEXAS found outside the State.Oh, and all you armed militia men and women from around the country who went to TEXAS to secure the borders – now you can secure them from the inside looking out at the rest of us. (Oh, and if you could get Cliven Bundy and his buddies down there to assist, it would be greatly appreciated. M-kay?)

I know what you are going to say. “Don’t be absurd!” right?

Then explain all the rhetoric from your leaders regarding Ebola and border security.

How about this tidbit from Rep. John Phillip “Phil” Gingrey (R-GA) who sent a letter back in July to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claiming that  amid the “crisis at our southern border,” there are “reports of … migrants carrying deadly diseases such as … Ebola virus.”

Or how about this from North Carolina Senate Candidate Thom Tillis, via who stated:

“We have an Ebola outbreak, we have bad actors who can come across the border. We need to seal the border and secure it.”

Better yet, how about Rep. Dennis Ross (R-FL) who was one of the lawmakers to sign a letter to President Obama demanding:

“Until this disease is controlled and wiped out, the president should begin a ban on air travel to and from infected regions.”

And here’s the kicker:

TEXAS wants to secede anyway. And as a sovereign nation, they will be completely free of the burden of tolerance regarding any ideas, customs, laws, taxes, women’s rights or ethnicity that it does not “cotton to”.

And we congratulate them on the imminent creation of its perfect Utopia, in which the burden of women’s reproductive healthcare services need not exist, cumbersome gun laws need not exist and the school curriculum can be properly adjusted to instruct children that the Earth is a mere 3000 years old.

So I guess this is it TEXAS. I suspect we won’t hear from you again until the epic Ebola Virus outbreak is over – you know, the final nail in that black guy’s presidency.

Thanks for the memories and for Stevie Ray Vaughan. Our country just got a little bit smaller but a great deal safer.

Adios.

P.S. I am from Texas. Just sayin’….

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posted October 19, 2014 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor ld/americas/ebola-cruise-ship-in-utter-panic-as-mexico-and-belize-refuse-to-let-it-dock-9804428.html


An exercise in Panic. It has now been 3 weeks since she she contacted the dead man and this woman still asymptomatic.

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posted October 20, 2014 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How nice!

You put forward sources who state Ebola is a hoax; a hoax designed to kill Africans and perhaps Americans by injections supposedly initiated by the United States Center for Disease Control...CDC...to treat and vaccinate against Ebola.

You realize...don't you?...you're talking about deliberate, intentional mass murder, genocide by a US agency in collusion with the Marxist Messiah and drug companies? Do you realize the implications of your posting?

So, if you believe a word of this, you have no doubt gunned up and are diligently practicing down at the gun range to protect yourself and your family from coming demands by O'Bomber for mass Ebola inoculations designed to kill you.

If you don't believe it..THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU POSTING TRASH?

Are you of the opinion that every lunatic idea deserves equal consideration?

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posted October 20, 2014 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Catalina
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posted October 20, 2014 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop I explained why I posted these ideas/stories. The rumour mill is in full swing and different wOrld views all have their different versions of FEAR AND LOATHING ... paranoia and blame.


Meanwhile Senegal and Nigeria are declared clear, The Dallas nurse is out of danger, and there are now several IMMUNE CAREGIVERS available should we have more cases.

some actual FACTS of current standing note that the ENglish nurse and Spanish nurse are both recovered and the Englishman is going back to Africa to help hoping he is immune... http://www.boston.com/health/2014/10/19/ebola-today-worker-cruise-ship-cleared-texas-hospital-admits-mistakes/5mqUdKXbyL3yVw7dKMKRiO/story.html

I'm a little worried about your grip on reality tho if you think I am pushing 8 different versions of distorted fearmongering. Lmao

I am encouraging calm here yet you think I'm supporting conspiracy theories from multiple different angles? Get a grip indeed

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posted October 20, 2014 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I guess its my fault for giving you too many examples you only appear to have been able to manage peeking at one.

Which is a big part of the panic. .. People seeing headlines and thinking the sky is falling...and not bothering to look any further. Going off halfcocked on the suggestions of the Panic Press is the worst thing we can do as I've been saying ALL the way through this thread

You are the one shrieking about "death wishes" and epidemics when in truth a handful of cases, mostly cured, is all we got, including people who were exposed and quarantined...like Duncan's family ALL HEALTHY 21 days later..

Speaking of TRASH...The Daily News, thanks, but I have plenty of toilet paper.

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posted October 20, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for all the other inane attempts to make this out to be the worst admin ever,
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/07/top-10-ways-reagan-better-obama/

Great last line...Without Reagan's help Obama couldn't have finished off Osama. :winking:

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posted October 21, 2014 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And where, one might ask, is our Surgeon General? Why a political player for Ebola chief (czar)?

Edit: apparently we have an Acting Surgeon General. Wonder why he is so invisible..he actually sounds more qualified than the nominee-in-waiting.

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