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jwhop
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posted October 11, 2014 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throw the bast@rds out in November.

Incompetent government + corrupt elite = disaster
Matthew Continetti
October 3, 2014

Deadly, irrational, and determined, the intruder snuck across a weakened perimeter. Eluding capture, the intruder was detained only after missteps and close calls. The spin began soon after the threat was isolated. Information was selectively leaked. Half-truths and untruths were uttered. Responsibility was avoided; privileges and credentials asserted; authority reasserted. Trust us. Remain calm. Don’t panic.

This is the template of recent events. A mental case jumps the White House fence. He makes it to the East Room before he’s tackled by an off-duty Secret Service agent. Initial statements turn out to be misleading or false. We discover that lapses in security are much worse than previously understood, that in recent memory the White House was sprayed with bullets, and that an armed man with a criminal record rode in an elevator with the president. The official in charge of the Secret Service, promoted for reasons of affirmative action, resigns hours after the White House expresses its confidence in her abilities. The overriding impression is of disarray, confusion, bad management, failed communication, anomie, disillusion, corruption, and secrecy. But do not worry. Things are under control.

The elevator? It was in the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, where the president told the American people that the Ebola outbreak in West Africa is not a threat to our country. President Obama said the chances of Ebola appearing in the United States are “extremely low.” If a carrier somehow finds his way to the 50 states, “We have world-class facilities and professionals ready to respond. And we have effective surveillance mechanisms in place.” Two weeks later, as Byron York points out, the president was proven utterly wrong.

It is the same story as the fence-jumper: lax security, missed opportunities, hollow defenses. A Liberian national exposed to the terrible virus travels on a visa to visit his sister in Dallas. He has a three-hour layover in Dulles Airport. Upon his arrival in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area he exposes, at a minimum, 100 people, including children, to Ebola. When he visits a hospital looking for help, he is examined and sent away. Two days later he begins vomiting uncontrollably. “His whole family was screaming.” An ambulance arrived. He was returned to the hospital, where he remains.

Again, the authorities behave irresponsibly and inscrutably. Again, the faces on our televisions say there is no cause for alarm. “I think the notion that we will not have an outbreak of Ebola here, more than just an isolated person or two, is very reliable and very true,” says MSNBC house doctor Zeke “If You Like Your Doctor You Can Pay More” Emanuel. Emanuel is not bothered in the slightest—but then he has just 18 years left anyway.

I have a second opinion. Not only do I disagree with the constant stream of soothing and complacent rhetoric from Dr. Zeke’s friends in government and media. I also believe it is entirely rational to fear the possibility of a major Ebola outbreak, of a threat to the president and his family, of jihadists crossing the border, of a large-scale European or Asian war, of nuclear proliferation, of terrorists detonating a weapon of mass destruction. These dangers are real, and pressing, and though the probability of their occurrence is not high, it is amplified by the staggering incompetence and failure and misplaced priorities of the U.S. government. It is not Ebola I am afraid of. It is our government’s ability to deal with Ebola.

Over the last few years the divergence between what the government promises and what it delivers, between what it says is happening or will happen and what actually is happening and does happen, between what it determines to be important and what the public wishes to be important—this gap has become abysmal, unavoidable, inescapable. We hear of “lone-wolf” terrorism, of “workplace violence,” that if you like your plan you can keep your plan. We are told that Benghazi was a spontaneous demonstration, that al Qaeda is on the run, that the border is secure as it has ever been, that Assad must go, that I didn’t draw a red line, the world drew a red line, that the IRS targeting of Tea Party groups involved not a smidgen of corruption, that the Islamic State is not Islamic. We see the government spend billions on websites that do not function, and the VA consign patients to death by waiting list and then cover it up. We are assured that Putin won’t invade; that the Islamic State is the jayvee team of terrorism; that Bowe Bergdahl served with honor and distinction; that there is a ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia.

While the public remains pro-Israel, our government negotiates with Israel’s enemies. While the public wants to reduce immigration, the preeminent legislative objective of both parties is a bill that would increase it. While the public is uninterested in global warming, while costly regulations could not pass a filibuster-proof Democratic Senate, while the scientific consensus behind the green agenda is, at the very least, fraying, the president says that climate change is the greatest threat to the United States. While Americans tell pollsters their economic situation has not improved, and that things are headed in the wrong direction—while even Democratic economists acknowledge the despondent state of the middle class—the president travels to Chicago to celebrate his economic recovery.

These disjunctions and confusions, these missteps, scandals, and miscalculations, have hurt Obama’s approval numbers. They endanger the Democratic Senate majority, contribute to the widespread sense of disorder and decay, shatter trust in government and in public institutions. They have put into stark relief a political class dominated by liberal partisans, captured by ideas and interests removed from those of ordinary Americans. The stories of ineptitude or malfeasance that appear in the daily newspaper are more than examples of high ideals executed poorly. They are examples of the pursuit of ideas—of equality and diversity and progress and centralization and environmentalism and globalization—to absurd and self-destructive limits.

It is precisely the intersection of Ebola and globalization that worries me. The only response to a virus this deadly is to quarantine it. Stop flights, suspend visas, and beef up customs and security. It can be done. If the FAA can cancel flights to Israel, why can’t it cancel flights to and from the West African countries whence the outbreak originated?

Simple: because doing so would violate the sacred principles by which our bourgeois liberal elite operate. To deny an individual entry to the United States over fears of contamination would offend our elite’s sense of humanitarian cosmopolitanism. For them, “singling out” nations or cultures from which threats to the public health or safety of the United States originate is illegitimate. It “stigmatizes” those nations or cultures, it “shames” them, it makes them feel unequal. It’s judgmental. It suggests that America prefers her already existing citizens to others.

Such pieties endanger us. They are the reason we were slow to contain the influx of Central American refugees, the reason we do not follow-up on illegal immigrants who fail to show up for hearings, the reason we remain unable to strip jihadists of U.S. citizenship, the reason that a year after two Chechen refugees bombed the Boston Marathon, America is preparing to expand resettlement of Syrian refugees. The imperatives of the caste, the desire to make actual whatever is rattling around Tom Friedman’s brain at a given moment, take precedence over reality.

The system can withstand only so many shocks. For the last two years it has suffered nothing but blows, traumas, national and international concussions. The response by our government has been denial and delusion. But that has further alienated the public, and it won’t be long before things get really weird. Maybe it is time for the political class to panic, too.

Know hope? That’s passé.

Know fear.
http://freebeacon.com/columns/the-case-for-panic/

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TensionEmpire
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posted October 11, 2014 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fear??
For my it is rrather exitment! xD

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Catalina
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posted October 11, 2014 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad your pundit is not President. How do you propose to monitor air travel globally to make sure no one gets in or out of W Africa? About the only way would be global martial law, sounds like a conservative's wet dream, right?

Not to mention that you would also have to quarantine the US, Spain and Australia (have I missed anyone now?) ...

Do you think we should have sent troops over to secure the W African borders for them? Or maybe we should just BOMB them, that would end it wouldn't it?

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posted October 12, 2014 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Glad your pundit is not President"

Daffy Duck would be a better president than your little PC Marxist Messiah O'Bomber.

Who said anything about shutting down the world of air travel? No one.

But no one whose passport shows they were in the infected parts of Africa should be permitted to fly a commercial airline to the United States until this Ebola outbreak has burned itself out. Maybe you leftists have death wishes but the rest of us can do quite nicely without dying from Ebola.

Oh, and Zeke Emanuel, the Dr. Death of the leftist set can take his lying rhetoric and stuff it where the sun don't shine. It makes no sense whatsoever to permit people from West Africa to come to the US during the incubation period of Ebola...which is up to 21 days from exposure.

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posted October 12, 2014 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is not that simple. But it's also not that dangerous.

If you're worried just stay home until it's over and take a lot of showers lol. I know people who are flying abroad for Christmas and already preparing to take precautions en route, because America is not the only place the victims are trying to escape to. Fortunately it's not that easy to get, as a whole plane full of people who were onboard with a man who was vomitting with Ebola have shown.

Creating either false security or panic is irresponsible. People need to take personal responsibility for self protection and stop projecting horror stories.

And hospital personnel need to actually follow the protocol the Texas folk shrugged off.

The man in Texas denied everything. That is how he got through. Shall we have 21 day quarantines in all African airports? How do you propose to actually execute this ban you are sure is the only way?

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posted October 12, 2014 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ebola is not that easy to get?

What fool are you listening to?

At least 4 members of the medical community, including 2 doctors have contracted Ebola. This with full knowledge of what they were dealing with and full precautions to make sure they weren't exposed.

Now, a second case has cropped up in Texas. A nurse treating the now deceased Ebola patient in Dallas has Ebola.

Every person who is exposed to Ebola becomes a vector for the disease who can expose their families, their friends and people they come in contact with. All this BEFORE their symptoms become acute enough for them to realize something is wrong.

The job of government is to protect citizens. O'Bomber could shut down travel to the United States from infected West Africa...and he sure as hell should.

What are you and your little Marxist Messiah O'Bomber going to say if Ebola gets loose in the US and kills hundreds or thousands of Americans?

"Whoops" isn't going to cut the mustard.
"We had good intentions" isn't going to cut the mustard either.

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posted October 12, 2014 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the Texas case, she was in full gear.

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Catalina
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posted October 12, 2014 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah and the gear presents a set of issues in itself. Taking it off for instance. The disease is transferred thru body fluids. We had similar panic over AIDS didnt we, onc people realized you didn't have to be gay to get it.

Soap and water destroy any germs outside the body which die off after half an hour without a host. Keeo washing!

My point is its already out, due to pharmaceuticals looking to Test their experimental drugs...do you want to quarantine texas now? Or will Dallas do?

Then again the alternative health community thinks Its all faked...to scare us into taking a new vaccine lol

Better to be prepared but not worried. What you visualize...

Or will you not be happy till we have martial law?

I dont want it any more than you do. This is not a left/right issue FFS

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juniperb
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posted October 12, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama really fell short on this Ebola mess. Now the horse is out of the barn and everyone should be diligent.

When Obama recognised the need for military and medical aid sent in, he should have immediately required a 21 day quarantine on anyone wanting visas to the United States. Swift and simple protection for other countries and their people.

God bless the victims

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posted October 13, 2014 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed.

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posted October 13, 2014 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does that protect other countries? Who is going to provide/supervise quarantine for everyone who wants to travel...or prevent people from travelling overland to other parts of Africa to go to Europe or Australia or anywhere but here? "Those regions" have failed miserably at containing people moving around and unless the UN steps in and mandates closed borders, who is going to do it?

Good survival to the victims the relatively low death rate in this outbreak is most encouraging.

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posted October 13, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Use the military that is already there. Enlist the U.N.; Enlist other African sources ect.
Playing arm chair quarterback here but Good God, to just let someone, on their word or fine 98.6 temp. just fly into the U.S. is asking for Ebola.

And here it is infecting the caretakers then blaming the Nurses for breaking protocal.

I`m outraged by that and the CDC is just spinning their own web and spreading blame.

Obama fumbled the ball, as leader of this country and ally to others.
As well as other countries not sitting up and paying serious attention to help.

Wasn`t one epidemic enough?? (aids)

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posted October 13, 2014 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"How does that protect other countries?"

Last I heard, O'Bomber is not president of the world. He's supposed to the president of the Untied States and he's the worst example of president in the history of the US.

Other nations are responsible for their own safety and security. Even some of the airlines have it right where O'Bomber has it wrong. Some airlines refuse to fly into Ebola infected nations and some governments in Africa have closed their borders to travelers coming from Ebola infected nations.

They have it right. O'Bomber has it wrong and is endangering Americans with his Political Correctness bullshiiit.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3213015/posts?page=1

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posted October 13, 2014 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was talking to Juni, who mentioned the protection of other countries.

but if ebola can travel to other countries it can come here from there too. Not rocket science. I guess that's why Obama was at the UN pointing out that the US can't contain it on our own?

I am surprised to hear you say Obama is not President of the world! So what business did we have in Iraq again?

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posted October 13, 2014 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how it spreads
http://news.yahoo.com/video/ebola-spreads-among-humans-105611595.html

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posted October 15, 2014 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"How it spreads"?

Obviously, they don't know all the ways Ebola can and has spread.

2 nurses in full anti-Ebola contamination gear in a Dallas hospital now have EBOLA.

Each of these new Ebola patients contracted Ebola in the United States; not in West Africa. They are now vectors for Ebola for everyone they've come in contact with.

One patient from West Africa entered the United States and infected two..(2) American health care workers. The question is...how many Americans have these 2 American nurses infected with Ebola?

It's going to be at least 21 days before we know the answer to that question...and, if more Americans were infected with Ebola by these 2 nurses, how many of their family, friends and associates have they infected?

Past time to shut down America's borders to Passport holders from West Africa and others who travelled to infected areas of West Africa.

October 15, 2014
Second Dallas hospital worker tests positive for Ebola
Thomas Lifson

The Texas Department of State Health Services issued a statement over night announcing that an unidentified health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian has tested positive for Ebola.

A second health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who provided care for the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States has tested positive for the disease.

The health care worker reported a fever Tuesday and was immediately isolated at the hospital.

Health officials have interviewed the latest patient to quickly identify any contacts or potential exposures, and those people will be monitored. The type of monitoring depends on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus.

The worker was among those who took care of Thomas Eric Duncan after he was diagnosed with Ebola.

The preliminary Ebola test was run late Tuesday at the state public health laboratory in Austin, and results were received at about midnight.

Confirmatory testing on a separate specimen will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

Ebola is spread through direct contact with bodily fluids of a sick person or exposure to contaminated objects such as needles. People are not contagious before symptoms such as fever develop.

More soothing talk of how there’s nothing to worry about in the last two sentences. The CDC also continues the happy talk:

"As we have said before, because of our ongoing investigation, it is not unexpected that there would be additional exposures," the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an emailed statement.

"An additional health care worker testing positive for Ebola is a serious concern, and the CDC has already taken active steps to minimize the risk to health care workers and the patient," the agency said.

Relax. The country is in the best of hands.
http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/second_dallas_hospital_worker_tests_positive_for_ebola.html

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posted October 15, 2014 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All it takes is one to spread the infection.

A sad and horrifying day as the numbers involved are mind numbing.

No one is safe from disease nor the U.S. administration "protecting" us. .

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posted October 15, 2014 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently full protocol was NOT followed, though the nurses blame the hospital.

Texas politicians like to say they don't need Obamacare, they already have "universal coverage...it's called the ER"..where a Liberian with a fever was sent home with antibiotics just in case...as in many other ERs around the country.

Funding for hospitals is low due to imperative budget cuts to everything except the military...

And it seems the CDC were right about protocol negligence, though not necessarily "blaming the victim"
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/dallas-nurses-hospital-sloppy-ebola-protocols-u nion/story?id=26205956

Now a second worker, who apparently thought it was ok to fly to CCleveland after working with ebola contacts...Yes it's all Obama's fault, after all, not being a doctor he followed his experts' advice, shame on him

So...let us be sure to find objects of blame though it would make more sense to take precautions, wash a lot, and perhaps we should quarantine TEXAS??? I'm sure Governor Perry would agree to implement that pronto!

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posted October 15, 2014 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's pity Pid isn't here to weigh in on the epidemiologist view...

Where is Bearsarcher?

The fact is that even in Africa where it is apparently rampant, only half the infected or less are dying, as opposed to other events where approx 90% went down.

Nigeria appears to have stopped it cold

And in families where both parents died the children appear to have been immune or less susceptible...

The unknowns and what ifs are multitudinous and panic is the LAST thing we need to do.

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posted October 15, 2014 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama said today that it could become global.

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posted October 16, 2014 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Correction please!

The WHO...World Health Organization states that Ebola has a 70% fatality rate...not 50%!

For our folks in Rio Linda, that means 7 out of 10 people who are infected with the Ebola virus are going to die.

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This particular outbreak has a lower than average deathrate. My point. Many outbreaks have a 90% fatality rates. This is either less deadly or better treated. Plus lots of people have not contracted out even in families where some people died. Go figure.

But if you want to quiver in your boots I'm sure the newsmakers will love you!

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posted October 16, 2014 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the WHO numbers...
8914 cases
4447 dead

Which they reckon to be 70%
Although the math makes it 50%

Much chainjerking going on you think?

And since when is the WHO a source you trust? You have discounted every quote from them that anyone has made here due to their incompetence and wrongthinking or somesuch complaints...

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posted October 16, 2014 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's get this straight in YOUR mind.

I'm not a leftist. I don't have a death wish for myself, my family, my neighbors or my country.

It's terminal stupidity for O'Bomber and his administration to continue to refuse to set up a system to prevent travel from the hot beds of Ebola to the United States. There is no upside for the US or our fellow citizens to have 4500 air travelers from West Africa enter the US each month.

If O'Bomber actually has a brain, he's keeping it well hidden because it's no where in evidence.

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posted October 16, 2014 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop please go to the Whitehouse. Get informed. Then SOLVE THIS YESTERDAY ... 'K?

I'm positive you would do a better job than the President. Even wIthout access to the data and daily fIeld repOrts, You know so much more than they do.

I will be here when ebola is gone and your pretense that those who differ wIth you on this are politically/ideologically motivated just shows how totally credulous you are. No one wants to see it spread. But pleas get a grip. EVERY year in the US about 36000 people die of the flu, with hundreds of thousands infected.

Go listen to War of the Worlds and realize that thOusands of people sat in gridlock trying to escape New York because of that obviously staged PLAY.

Panic kills intelligent response. To date approximately .0005 of the affected population has come down with the disease. The sky is not falling yet nasty as the prospect may seem.

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