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Catalina
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posted March 10, 2015 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/file-charges-against-47-us-senators-violation-logan-act-attempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9

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posted March 10, 2015 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the first time in American diplomatic history, one political party is devising its own foreign policy with its own entreaties to foreign governments. Not content with having Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu address Congress and the American people and tell them the President’s approach to Iran is wrong, Republican senators yesterday sent an “open letter” to Iran's leaders advising them that President Obama doesn’t have the constitutional authority to reach a meaningful understanding with them. The letter warned Tehran that any nuclear deal needs congressional approval in order to last beyond Obama's term and that without that step Iran will be left a "mere executive agreement" between Obama and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. 

Republicans are not only making common cause with hardliners in Iran, they’re also undermining our President’s capacity to deal with foreign governments and compromising his authority as Commander-in-Chief. In so doing, they’re jeopardizing the safety and security of the United States. In my forty-five years of political involvement, I don’t remember any act by a major party that comes as close as the Republicans' recent actions to what might be called treason. 

What do you think? - Robert Reich

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posted March 10, 2015 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This letter, in the guise of a constitutional lesson, ignores two centuries of precedent and threatens to undermine the ability of any future American President, whether Democrat or Republican, to negotiate with other nations on behalf of the United States. Honorable people can disagree over policy. But this is no way to make America safer or stronger.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-53655

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posted March 10, 2015 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to post this but thanks!

I agree it was an afront to the American people.

Why> Because united we stand, divided we fall.

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Honorable people can disagree over policy. But this is no way to make America safer or stronger.

You may say none or some of the parties involved were honorable but they shamed and back stabbed the U.S. by the letter of division and by default, you, me and our Grandchildren.


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posted March 10, 2015 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting article...especially for those who claim Obsma is overweening and too easy on Iran


http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/09/1369673/-Cheney-Congress-must-not-interfere-with-the-President-s-Iran-policy?

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posted March 10, 2015 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obsma?


Typo I know.

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posted March 11, 2015 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see a single thing wrong with members of Congress putting an enemy nation on notice that any bad treaty signed by a
brain dead president without being ratified by the US Senate...as required by the US Constitution...may not be honored beyond the term of that idiot president, i.e., Barack Hussein O'Bomber.

Any agreement based on an "executive order" may survive only as long as that "executive" is in office. And even then, only if the Congress doesn't write specific legislation voiding the executive order.

It's not just Americans who oppose Iran's nuclear weapons program. Most of the rest of the world also oppose Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.

A Global “No” To a Nuclear-Armed Iran
Divisions on Sanctions and Use of Force


http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/05/18/a-global-no-to-a-nuclear-armed-iran/

Leftist airheads want O'Bomber to act like a banana republic dictator and go around the Congress...and Courts to enact his radical transformation of America. The only thing O'Bomber has managed to radically transform is the demoscat party. The majority of Americans despise O'Bomber's loony tunes far left agenda..including opening a pathway for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons.

O'Bomber's airhead Socialist comrades in Congress keep raising their hands identifying themselves by their votes in Congress. The American people have sent them packing in record numbers in the last 3 elections...at least those who didn't see the handwriting on the wall and decide to avoid defeat by not seeking another term in office.

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posted March 11, 2015 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/11/1370132/-McCain-admits-open-letter-to-Iran-that-he-signed-maybe-wasn-t-the-greatest-idea-ever?

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posted March 11, 2015 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not just a deal between Obama and Iran but many countries and it is certainly not an attempt to give Iran nukes. Get yer head out darling. Undermining foreign negotiations is not Congress job and may just be considered treason.

Paired with Lindsey Graham promising allegiance to Netanyahu over his own president, and Congressional Republicans going behind the president's back to give Bibi a soapbox, it shows that -as since day one (2009) - the idea of Obama succeeding at anything is worse to them than scuttling the entire country.

Israeli sources are suggesting Bibi will lose the election next week. We'll see but so far all the childish plots are backfiring one after another.

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posted March 12, 2015 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its not just a matter of shame. It shows a lack of understanding of their role and a willingness to leave the country undefined if they don't want to play nice with Obama. Jodi Ernst is doubly in violation of her military and civic duty. Who else?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/12/13 70336/-Lt-Col-Joni-Ernst-should-be-court-martialed-for-signing-the-seditious-letter-to-Iran?

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posted March 12, 2015 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really? It's not about plotting a pathway for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons?

This is reported to be a 10 year agreement at the end of which Iran would be free of the agreement and free to produce nuclear weapons...this is...IF Iran even honors the agreement in the first place and there's no past behavior by the terrorist nation of Iran which would point to the Iranian terrorists honoring any agreement.

In the meantime, while this brain dead agreement the bonehead O'Bomber is attempting to negotiate was in force, Iran would be free to continue enriching uranium.

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posted March 12, 2015 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not about a treaty between the US and Iran. It is about an international attempt to control Iran's nuclear activities over which we currently have NO control. It is not in the Senate's powers to insist it be run by them at this point. They have openly stated that they are willing to break ranks with the person who DOES have negotiating aUthOrity. In other words they are saying America is impotent, not just Obama whom they have been trying to castrate since before he was sworn in.
http://ivn.us/2015/03/11/reckless-behavior-47-senators-broke-law-single-letter/?utm_

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posted March 12, 2015 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/12/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-iran-gop-letter-nuclear-talks/70197140/

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posted March 13, 2015 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The petition to charge the 47 with violating the Logan Act/ comitting treason has reached a quarter million signatures in a few days. People are astounded that the Iranians understand international law and our own constitution better than half the Senate. Back to civics class!

This is when being elected by the very loud very small minority proves to be a pyrrhic victory.

Sometimes Twitter is hilarious.
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/america-takes-to-twi tter-to-bash-republican-fools-for-iran-letter-screenshots/

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posted March 14, 2015 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The international community is having it`s say and it is not favorable.

Cotton & signers stepped into a pile of do-do and come vote time, he/they may regret it.

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posted March 14, 2015 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Bomber is trying to fluff up his legacy by getting any kind of deal with Iran and a bad deal will work for O'Bomber because he'll be out of office when the shiiiite hits the fan, Iran fields a nuke and either nukes Israel or threatens to do so.

Those republicans sent the terrorist nation of Iran a heads up that O'Bomber's bad deal isn't going to survive his failed presidency.

It's comical to watch leftist's heads explode over republicans telling Iran the truth. Funny though, when Nancy Pee-Lousy visited Assad in Syria..against the wishes of George W Bush and tried to make nice with the murderous bast@rd Assad, leftist loons were just fine with that! In the interim, Assad has killed about 150,000 of his own Syrian citizens.

Just one of the many reasons I don't give a rat's ass what leftist loons think, including the leftist loon in the Oval Office. Time after time, leftist loons prove they're totally incapable of rational thought.

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posted March 14, 2015 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-half-baked-missive-from-the-gop/2015/03/12/ccf10b8e-c835-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html

Its hardly a leftist loon flap. Even fellow Republicans are appalled that a minority of the Senate would try to openly undermine an International negotiation (NOT a treaty with the US ) and demonstrate the total ignorance of their jurisdiction and willingness to back Israel over America like this. Are you familiar with the author of the linked piece? Hardly a leftist loon and hardly the only person on the right who thinks so

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posted March 14, 2015 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leftist loon

If it was done to Bush, treason and hang em high would be the order of the day, right?
Absolutely.

To me, it doesn`t matter who is POTUS, it is the gall of Cotton to try to further divide and disrespect America, her allies and the american people with blackmail threats .

Always hold ones enemies close to your vest ?

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posted March 14, 2015 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps the Reps. need to refresh their memory and remember a few years back when they squawked "logan act" ?

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posted March 14, 2015 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/12/the-differences-between-the-47-gop-senat ors-ira/202872

Pelosi didn't go to Syria to undercut negotiations in place, nor did she SNEAK there but went quite openly after briefing and with Administration members alongside. She no way threatened that anything Bush did would be negated by Congress. Lmao

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posted March 15, 2015 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cat, if you are posting to me, I was refering to when Reagan and Rep. Steve cried logan Act. Or how about the `68 presidential election when Nixon supporter Ana Chennault told the South Vietnamese government that Nixon would give them a better deal if they waited .

I just read the Logan Act was only upheld once in history.

Maybe it needs revised or repealed.

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posted March 15, 2015 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had forgotten those times juni. Was actually responding to jwhop comparing this to Pelosi but Nixon's little jaunt re Vietnam was really treason. I don't recall anyone talking about that till later and in the 80s I was in Britain paying little attention to the daily political scene here. What was that about?

Its not the first time treachorous actors have tried to undermine the president. The Logan act was passed in 1799 I believe, because our had already happened.

I doubt anyone will be prosecuted this time either. They have made fools of themselves and weakened Amer ica's image abroad ..unlike Obama bowing to the wrong person they have undermined the Word of the country. Charmed, I'm sure. And Tom Cotton had been rewarded by conservative, hawkish Jews for his service to Israel, to the tune of a million dollars. They have thrown away the electoral advantage by alienating even more of their fellow repubs and democrats, undermining themselves in the process

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posted March 15, 2015 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leftist loons are indeed apoplectic over 47 Senators sending a heads up letter to the terrorist leader of Iran. Those leftist loons include Chris Matthews who couldn't find his own ass but he's a favorite at the failed news network of MSNBC. Leftist loons also include the White House posse and Barack Hussein O'Bomber.

But, it's exactly as I said. The 47 Senators have the right to weigh in on any deal a president is negotiating and, they did.

Now that they have, it's clear the deal with Iran is a bad deal for the US...a good deal for the terrorist nation of Iran and, an admission was forced from the American traitor...John Traitor Kerry that "THE DEAL" is non binding and unenforceable.

Which means Iran is given a clear path to nuclear weapons, can't be forced into inspections to find their hidden nuclear programs and this entire mess which is the brainchild of O'Bomber, Hillary and Traitor Kerry is so much hot air, smoke and mirrors and is a stall tactic by the terrorist nation of Iran to get sanctions lifted and give them time to enrich enough uranium for a nuclear device.

In spite of all the blither, blather, bloviation and bullshiiit by democrats that they oppose nuclear weapons for Iran....they're down with the plan which will make a nuclear Iran a certainty.

Tom Cotton: The Most Powerful Man in Washington
Erick Erickson
March 13, 2015

Tom Cotton (R-AR) is the junior senator from Arkansas. In fact, Cotton has only been in the Senate for two months. He spent one term in the House of Representatives before making the leap to the upper house. Prior to his stint in elected politics, Cotton was a soldier in the Iraq War. He is now the most powerful man in Washington.

Cotton rounded up 46 other Republican senators in Washington to sign a letter to Iran. That letter announced that no deal between President Obama and Iran would ever make it through the United States Senate. The constitution requires a two-thirds vote for any treaty to be ratified. An Iranian deal would not get a majority vote, let alone a two-thirds vote.

The outrage from Democrats was immediate. On twitter, the hashtag "47traitors" exploded. More than 100,000 people signed a petition demanding the 47 senators be arrested for treason. Chris Matthews, the Walter Winchel of MSNBC, yelled at his viewers accusing the senators of violating the Logan Act. The sound bite got picked up and parroted by talking heads who needed a point and had none of their own.

The Logan Act is a law enacted in 1799 by President John Adams. It prohibits citizens from engaging foreign powers in contravention of the United States. Not a single person has ever been convicted of violating the Logan Act. Only one person, in 1803, was ever indicted under the Logan Act. The government is exempt from the law, obviously, and the State Department determined in 1975 that Congress, as a branch of government, was exempt from the Logan Act.

The rhetoric of the left has been farcical. The late Sen. Ted Kennedy directly collaborated with the Soviet Union to undermine President Reagan's foreign policy. We only learned about that as a nation when the Soviet Union collapsed and old KGB archives were uncovered.

In 2002, Congressmen John Bonior and Jim McDermott flew to Iraq to stand shoulder to shoulder with Saddam Hussein against George W. Bush. Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi went to Syria to stand with Bashar al-Assad against George W. Bush. But the most similar action to Tom Cotton's letter happened in 1984.

That year, then-Democratic Leader Jim Wright, who would go on to be Speaker of the House, penned a letter to communist leader Daniel Ortega. The letter, signed by multiple Democrats in the Congress, pledged Democratic opposition to Ronald Reagan's policies and sought to engage in separate diplomatic relations with Ortega than what the Reagan administration was attempting.

For Hillary Clinton to claim last week that Tom Cotton's letter was something unique in American history was as big a lie as her claiming she could not put two email accounts on one device. In fact, the Democrats know Tom Cotton's actions are legal. They just do not like his boldness in defiance of a president who increasingly views himself as a dictator.

Try as they might, the Democrats have not been able to completely undermine the idea of three separate but equal branches of government. Their spittle flew when Speaker Boehner invited the Israeli prime minister to speak to Congress. Though they claimed the invitation was some sort of breach of protocol, the Speaker also invited the Pope to speak, and the Democrats made no such claims.

What is really happening is the Democrats were attempting to allow Iran to build up a nuclear program without anyone noticing. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Sen. Tom Cotton shed light on the Democrats' plan. The Democrats were left scurrying about like roaches with the light turned on. They do not like it.

The net result of Sen. Cotton's actions has not been an indictment of 47 Republican senators. Instead, Secretary of State John Kerry had to admit President Obama's negotiations with Iran were non-binding and unenforcible. But for Sen. Tom Cotton, America would never have gotten that admission. It makes the senator one of the few people in Washington who has been able to throw Barack Obama off his game.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/03/13/tom_cotton_the_most_powerful_man_in_washington_125921.html

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posted March 16, 2015 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And they are "working on making it enforceable" Where did he say otherwise?

Meanwhile Cotton is defending his letter by warning us on the aggression of Iran.."already they control Tehran!" Shock, horror! And increasingly control other ME capitals like Baghdad..right. And the US controls DC. More shock and horror. Please explain how Iran, who has invade.d no one for 600 years, is controlling the whole region?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/16/1371237/-Cotton-has-no-regrets-on-Iran-letter-warns-that-they-already-control-Tehran?

47 Senators is a minority. Even their own colleagues are ****** at them. And since they don't know what is in the deal how do they know it's bad, please?

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posted March 17, 2015 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't make me laugh!

No Treaty...by any name...including an executive order is enforceable without either the consent of the US Senate or consent of the next and future presidents to keep it in force.

The chances this crap sandwich will be ratified by the US Senate are about the same as New York City disappearing into a sink hole.

I guess this is what happens when you take your constitutional instruction from boxes of Cracker Jacks.

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