posted March 08, 2016 01:33 PM            

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/opinion/sunday/the-sexual-misery-of-t he-arab-world.html?smid=tw-share

There is an interesting dichotomy in relation to sexual exploration that looms over conservative Middle Eastern Societies. On one hand, society tries to shun open display of flirtation and intersex mingling and any and every act of "obscenity" (no matter how mild and innocent) and you can sure bet there is a morality police out there that is monitoring you to make sure that you comply. On the other hand you have shops that openly sell Lingerie ( http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/10/learning-to-speak-lingerie ) and there are bouts of conversation between housewives about their personal sexual lives; Some of the details of which are astoundingly... Adventurous.

With the recent attacks on European females by Middle Eastern Migrants, discussion surrounding the overall attitude of conservative Middle Eastern societies surrounding females needs to be openly addressed.

posted March 14, 2016 08:35 PM            

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One result is that people fantasize about the trappings of another world: either the West, with its display of immodesty and lust, or the Muslim paradise and its virgins.

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Yeah, that's the prize...virgins.

Still cannot get over that.

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Paradise and its virgins are a pet topic of preachers, who present these otherworldly delights as rewards to those who dwell in the lands of sexual misery. Dreaming about such prospects, suicide bombers surrender to a terrifying, surrealistic logic: The path to orgasm runs through death, not love.

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posted March 30, 2016 09:41 AM            

Want to talk about sex and Islam or sex and culture?

posted March 30, 2016 04:46 PM            

Hope my comment didn't offend you.

posted March 31, 2016 02:07 AM            

But my mind and hands are too busy, and my heart is too open to stay angry for more than a few minutes. I was angry at you for a few hours, but that's because I like you.

I do think it's interesting that my love for Islam, causes me to understand other people's love for their religions, and I never mock belief, unless it is oppressive..

Ah! But Islam does seem so oppressive. Just look at western media, the standard bearers of truth! Listen to the American preachers (epitome of enlightenment) who learned about the Caliphate. And the women who left Islam because their fathers circumcised them, and they will present the Ahadith to show it is sanctioned in Islam.

And if this is not proof of the backwardness of Islam, then why is most of the Islamic world in flames, literally, and in their hearts?

I asked my Muslim brothers and sisters, why don't we answer them? My brother in Islam said, how do you answer an insincere question? Sincerity brings prudence, and inspires thorough investigation, and it wards off the ignorance that rides on the back of fear. No. We're done. We'll take Allah's Qadir (divine will) And for now post pictures of cute kittens (on facebook).

As an American I can confidently say, we are the architects of our own nightmare.

posted March 31, 2016 12:24 PM            

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I do think it's interesting that my love for Islam, causes me to understand other people's love for their religions, and I never mock belief, unless it is oppressive..

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Hmm, I didn't mean to mock belief. Only the people for whom the "path to orgasm runs through death"...hence the comment, People are nuts. THOSE people are nuts. Well actually I do think people in general are nuts, which gives rise to all kinds of weird things like that.

And when I said, "I still cannot get over" the prize being virgins...

I just don't understand that at all.

I don't see Islam through the lens of the Western media. I don't have a TV or read the paper. I'm not on social media. I know how ignorant I am about Islam.

posted March 31, 2016 12:32 PM            

I supposed that, since you posted the article, you had somewhat verified its contents.

Here's a disputation of the 72 Virgins myth:

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/

Which actually makes no sense to me.

posted March 31, 2016 12:45 PM            

Religion doesn't make sense to me because you can't talk to the Scriptures and ask them questions. They are like judges that are no longer hearing cases. So PEOPLE become judges, picking and choosing verses to build their cases, but they all judge differently.

I've seen enough splitting-hairs over doctrine within the Presbyterian Church to last me a lifetime. I know how it goes.

So here, in the article I posted above, the author is showing that suicide bombing is not martyrdom. I honestly don't see why not. When the enemy is killing you with drones and there is no proper battlefield, are the Muslims constrained to just roll over and die? How CAN they get retribution and fend off the elusive attackers, while adhering to their beliefs?

Or are they just supposed to keep dying?

posted March 31, 2016 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
venus2tinkerbell
Off track a bit but is virgins a mistranslation of or about white rasins?

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posted March 31, 2016 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Xodian, you're a Muslim..

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Well then, Faith, I need to apologize to you.

How can I blame you when Xodian is a Muslim who posted this article (a somewhat accurate picture of the junkyard the Islamic world has become), but failed to draw a line of distinction between the tenets of Islam and what Muslims do.

And how can I accuse you of mockery, when I say I am Muslim but openly don't practice. There is no compulsion in Islam. No one can make me do anything, but it would have been better if I didn't say I was Muslim. The last thing practicing Muslims need right now is someone like myself representing Islam in a non-Muslim community.

And it's not fair to non-Muslims who are trying to understand. And I spit venom so easily.

My regret is sincere. I'm sorry.

posted March 31, 2016 10:20 PM            

^ That song just came to mind spontaneously.

I'm happy you saw my predicament so quickly. I love watching your fast mind.

I'm very very sorry for all the pain inflicted on the Muslims of this world and would love to apologize on behalf of those who inflict the pain.

True, we all need more understanding.

I don't understand religion...and I need understanding just like everyone else.

But, not everyone can or wants to understand me and that's okay...I'll take respect instead....and if there's no respect...you know what, I'll take that too. Just speaking for myself.

posted March 31, 2016 10:28 PM            

Thank you for being patient with me, and just kind of waiting for me to take a look in the mirror so you could forgive me

Have a good night Faith

posted March 31, 2016 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRpNpfFi_ok

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posted April 01, 2016 12:32 AM            

This misunderstanding didn't put a dent in that. I knew it would be alright.

I will have to check Lotis' thread! Will comment there later (though 12H matters really do feel wobbly to me! And I don't know how deep my comment will be...I shy away from it.)

Thanks for everything...and please don't hold back here...anything you want to say. You can get more frustrated with me openly, I am not afraid of anything...say whatever...I would love to hear more of your unique perspective.

posted April 01, 2016 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

and please don't hold back here...anything you want to say...say whatever...I would love to hear more of your unique perspective.

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posted April 02, 2016 06:33 PM            

Sincere Muslims, well educated in Qur'an, Sunnah (Islamic tradition established by Muhammad), Sahih (authentic) Hadith, and Seerah (history/biography) consider the message of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad to be the same message. They are proud of their religion and rather share the truth of it, than denigrate another.

They would rather a thread about the Fiqh (law <<< needs better translation) of love and marriage in Islam, and maybe how it has been perverted in many Islamic countries.

Muslim means one who submits to God.

And in the Shahada (the Islamic oath <<< needs better translation), Muslims testify that they believe in Allah, His messengers, His holy books, and His angels.

So by definition a Muslim does not seek a revision of Islam, but an educated Muslim desires and works for a revival of Islam.

posted April 02, 2016 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Sincere Muslims don't take pleasure in humiliating and hurting Jews and Christians.

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posted April 02, 2016 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
No. Sincere Muslims don't take pleasure in humiliating and hurting Jews and Christians.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
And I know you weren't suggesting we should denigrate Judaism or Christianity. You were really pointing out that all religions have been used to oppress people.

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Actually the ideas I had in mind were not about oppression, like men oppressing women, but something different. Maybe more along the lines of people oppressing themselves.

And it wasn't to get even, just to create balance, ie let's look at everything frankly.

It's interesting to see the different terms you use...thanks for sharing.

I guess my objection to religion has always been that it's too complicated. I have Aries Jupiter and I don't like that complexity. I tried, though...tried really hard, because my Jupiter is in a t-square with Pluto and my sun. Tried to beat that simplistic Jupiter down...but it didn't work. It prevails.

We're all so different.

I replied on Lotis' thread

posted April 02, 2016 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

It's interesting to see the different terms you use...thanks for sharing.

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Over the course of 30 years my mother's teacher led several people to Islam without mentioning many of the basic Islamic terms, and though Muslims may raise an eyebrow at this I can argue it is Sunnah (Islamic tradition)...Anyway, in the current environment, I list sources and resources so that people can search for themselves. Too often if you look up a quote on google from Qur'an or Muhammad, the first website or even the first whole page is filled with non-Muslim authors who know very little about Islam, or they are actually attacking Islam.

why are we afraid? Ask a Muslim