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Topic: Hillary's Marching Orders For Leftists
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 14, 2016 05:00 PM
Where is your evidence that he did disavow him? All I've seen is a lot of "I don't know him, so I can't really say." Or something to that effect. That's not disavowing.This isn't about me defending the Clintons. This is about the Republicans calling the Clintons racist when their own candidate has a history of discriminating against minorities and refusing to disavow a white supremacist and racist. More proof that Republicans are ignoring the serious faults with their own candidate in favor of having any - no matter how dangerous or unhinged - Republican in office. Randall, I assume you're talking about all Dems, since you didn't add "politicians" to the end of that. Such a broad, inaccurate statement. How many nurses, doctors, police officers, firefighters, veterans, friends, and family members are you generalizing and stereotyping with that one statement? So sad. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 05:08 PM
Trump disavowed Duke the following day. But I wouldn't expect CNN and CNBC to report that, since it doesn't get ratings. The question is did Hillary disavow Byrd? We all know the answer to that. We don't have to debate over Bill's racist comments about Obama, since the words speak for themselves, as does Bill's menbership in two "whites only" country clubs. And these are the people you claim care about the rights of African-Americans?IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8729 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 07:25 PM
Donald Trump disavows David Duke.Embedded video...which you could have easily found were it not for extreme laziness...or, perhaps you just didn't want to find it.  SEARCH ENGINE....Donald Trump disavows David Duke, Video https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=fptb-&p=%22Donald+Trump+disavows+David+Duke%22+Video#id=11&vid=cf3835f6fb05744533ef58cfb3d83e61&action=click IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 08:29 PM
She was probably too busy trying to find Hillary disavowing avowed racist and Klan leader Byrd.IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 14, 2016 08:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: She was probably too busy trying to find Hillary disavowing avowed racist and Klan leader Byrd.
I was too busy having a life. My life doesn't revolve around this forum 24/7. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 14, 2016 09:03 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 09:11 PM
Calling me a bully doesn't make me one, just like Hillary calling us a basket of deplorables doesn't make it so. Typical leftist strategy when they lack answers of substance. You have learned well from the insulting left, young Jedi.IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 14, 2016 09:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Calling me a bully doesn't make me one, just like Hillary calling us a basket of deplorables doesn't make it so. Typical leftist strategy when they lack answers of substance. You have learned well from the insulting left, young Jedi.
He called me lazy, you added a snarky comment and I defended myself. Don't like it? Don't participate in it. Otherwise I'll happily call a spade a spade. A simple concept that actually has nothing to do with my political affiliation. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 09:28 PM
Snarky? Now, I'll accept that nomination.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 09:30 PM
Jwhop was just spade spotting.IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 14, 2016 10:01 PM
If you don't like being called a bully, then don't play the part. It's that simple. I don't know how much more I can simplify it for you.As far as jwhop is concerned, he calls everyone names, regardless of whether they're accurate or not. I would hardly call that calling a spade a spade. I find it more sad than anything. It makes me wonder what he's been through to fill him with so much hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with him. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 10:26 PM
Oh, I don't mind at all. Us deplorables are used to it. According to Hillary, people like me are irredeemable.IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8729 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 11:35 PM
"He called me lazy"Yep, either too lazy to even type a simple phrase in a search engine...or, alternatively, you didn't really want to know the truth of the matter because the truth destroys your nonsense that Trump didn't disavow David Duke. So now you know the truth. Are you going to repeat the lie that Trump didn't disavow David Duke? IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8729 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2016 11:37 PM
"She was probably too busy trying to find Hillary disavowing avowed racist and Klan leader Byrd."  Yeah, good luck finding Hillary The Corrupt disavowing Robert KKK Byrd...democrat senator. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 15, 2016 01:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Oh, I don't mind at all. Us deplorables are used to it. According to Hillary, people like me are irredeemable.
Well, I'm not Hillary. And I didn't call you deplorable, or a deplorable. I didn't even state that I agreed with her. I insinuated that you're acting like a bully, and you kind of are, towards me. I understand that you don't see that, and that's fine. It's just my opinion, which is worth nothing on this forum. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 15, 2016 01:20 AM
jwhop, I'm not taking back anything I said. That my opinion on the matter. You can take it or leave it, but you can't change it. For the record, I never said that Hillary disavowed anybody. I pointed out that it's pretty hypocritical for Republicans to preach that the Clintons were associated with white supremacists when their own candidate has a spotty history in that department. Like it or not, it's true. 13 Examples of Donald Trump Being Racist: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b032 60bf777e83 IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 15, 2016 01:40 AM
Since we're on that topic...while I in no way condone what Hillary said because she effectively grouped an entire population of people under negative stereotypes, I did run across an article in the WP.If you don't like the WP, or you feel the article is biased (and it is), then you might want to skip it and save yourself some heartburn. I don't agree with 100% with the writer. I've quoted the parts that I found interesting and/or worthy of considering. quote: In June, the Pew Research Center found that 79 percent of Clinton voters believe the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue, while only 42 percent of Trump supporters feel that way. As I wrote previously, earlier Pew research found that Trump supporters were significantly less likely than other Americans (and supporters of other Republican presidential candidates) to think that racial and ethnic diversity improves the United States.Research by Washington Post pollsters and by University of California at Irvine political scientist Michael Tesler, among others, have found that Trump does best among Americans who express racial animus. Evidence indicates fear that white people are losing ground was the single greatest predictor of support for Trump — more, even, than economic anxiety.
I don't care for the sources behind Trump's quotes, either: quote: Trump, on stage, rejected any notion of racism, saying people who want secure borders “are not racists,” people who warn of “radical Islamic terrorism are not Islamophobes” and people who support police “are not prejudiced.” But moments later, he repeated the campaign slogan he borrowed from an anti-Semitic organization that opposed involvement in World War II.“America First – remember that,” he said. “America First.”
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html?utm_term=. b17aec060063[/URL] IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2016 07:23 AM
Hillary is on a death spiral in the polls. She is unfit for a debate. You have a little time to get used to inevitable. Trump wins in November. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8729 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2016 10:11 AM
"jwhop, I'm not taking back anything I said. That my opinion on the matter."What? Huh? You've seen the video of Trump disavowing David Duke...and that's not the only time Trump disavowed Duke...but you still insist you're right and that in your "opinion", Trump never disavowed Duke? You're entitled to your opinions. You're not entitled to make up your own facts. "I pointed out that it's pretty hypocritical for Republicans to preach that the Clintons were associated with white supremacists when their own candidate has a spotty history in that department." Really? What history does Trump have of paling around with white supremacists? Which white supremacist was Trump's political mentor? The guy..Trump...who insisted on admitting blacks, Hispanics and Jews for membership in his Country Club in South Florida is no white supremacist, no racist and certainly, no bigot. That's just lying rhetoric straight from the democrat playbook...and this time, it's not working. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8729 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2016 11:36 AM
The Old Deplorables F.H. Buckley September 15, 2016On the pretensions of our “betters.” When the British Expeditionary Force arrived in France at the beginning of the First World War, the Kaiser called it a contemptible little army. The BEF held the line, however, and taking a perverse pride in the label its members took to calling themselves the “Old Contemptibles.” Something like this has happened, after Hillary Clinton labeled half of Trump’s supporters as deplorable. “Unfortunately, there are people like that,” she said, “and he has lifted them up.” That would be us, the Old Deplorables. The remark ripped aside the mask of left-wing compassion and empathy. It’s not Adlai Stevenson’s Party any longer, a Party of honorable liberals. Instead, it’s a progressive Party, and progressives are liberals who have learned how to hate.:embarrassed: Before Hillary’s LGBT audience, her remarks were greeted with the derision and laughter that bares its teeth. And then the chattering class of columnists doubled down. The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank said that she had low-balled the number when she said that half of Trump’s supporter’s were racist. They were pretty much all benighted. National Review’s Jonah Goldberg said essentially the same thing. Trump’s supporters claim they are nationalists, but their nationalism is nothing more than “white identity politics,” which is simply a code word for racism. In the past Americans have prided themselves on their unity, on their sense that we’re all together in the common enterprise of creating and celebrating a just and prosperous country, the envy of the world. We’ve continued to sense the common bonds of American identity, even though the ladder of economic and social mobility has been rolled up and parents no longer think that their children will be as well-off as they were. We’ve seen our children rack up huge student loans as they are taught to despise our country. We’ve observed our politicians who are indifferent as between foreigners and native Americans. We’ve noticed that the Fed’s low-interest policies serve to transfer wealth from fixed income retirees to stock market millionaires. But now the fog has lifted, to reveal a chasm between the two Americas. On one side there’s a New Class composed of the Clintons and Goldbergs, on the other an insurgent class that has begun to recognize that its interests are largely ignored by an elite political class. I’ve not observed that our New Class has the standing to justify its sense of moral and cultural superiority to the insurgents. It’s easy to find, in their obscenity-laden expressions of contempt for Trump and the deplorables, a nastiness so much more vulgar than anything said by the man they despise. Read their blogs, their tweets, about their favorite television shows. Can you picture them in an Oxford common room, a Sciences Po lecture hall? They are our new précieuses ridicules, and all they have are their pretentions and their hatreds. In their detestation of the insurgents, they have spawned a literature of redneck porn, in which they peer through their lorgnettes at an Oxy-sniffing underclass. J.D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy is a tell-all tale about the vicious ways of West Virginia whites, and for David Brooks it’s “essential reading.” We’re meant to admire the way in which the author rose to become a Yale-educated lawyer, but that doesn’t explain the book’s success. Instead, the thrill comes from slumming with the undeserving poor, and the Pharisee’s gratitude that “I am not as the rest of men.” The contempt for the underclass is nowhere more evident than in recent pleas that Republican members of the Electoral College betray their trust and vote for someone other than Donald Trump, if he secures a majority of votes. You’ll recall how the Electoral College was regarded as an undemocratic anachronism after the 2000 election, in which Al Gore won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College. But now come David Rivkin and Andrew Grossman in the Wall Street Journal to tell us there’s something more important than democracy, and that’s preventing the insurgent class from electing one of its own. They’re right to say that the Framers thought that the Electors would exercise an independent judgment, and might second-guess the voters. But they’re wrong to think that our 239 years of experience with democracy since then can so lightly be dismissed, or that the Electors could make anyone they wanted our next president. But when you think about it, what Rivkin and Grossman are expressing is nothing more than the New Class’s sense of entitlement, the belief that the most fundamental principle of American government is that they alone are fit to rule, that those who disagree with them are deplorables. And if there are, unfortunately, people like that, at least let’s not count their votes. Ah, my dear colleagues of the New Class, I think I do quite understand you. http://spectator.org/the-old-deplorables/
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 15, 2016 12:39 PM
I don't have to explain myself to you. If you don't like my opinions, ignore them and move on. That's what rational, reasonable people do.As for why I didn't back up my opinions, what's the point? Anyone who disagrees with you or Randall is a Crooked Lazy Marxist leftist who has no idea what they're talking about anyway, according to you. Republicans have built up this ideal version of Trump who can do no wrong, no matter how much evidence is presented to them that shatters that image. I can't argue with your delusion, because you fail to see reason or rationality or logic. Why even try? I know it hurts to hear that, but it's the truth. Whether or not you choose to accept it as a reality is entirely up to you. I expect that you won't, though. I'll just wait here patiently for the next barrage of personal insults. You're representing your party well in that regard. Decency and respect has never been a strength for Republican politicians. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 15, 2016 12:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Hillary is on a death spiral in the polls. She is unfit for a debate. You have a little time to get used to inevitable. Trump wins in November.
Don't worry, Randall. If he were to get in, I would move. I'm not an immigrant...I just fall in a category of people that he has disrespected and obviously hates. I wouldn't put myself or my family through one moment of his Nazi regime. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 8729 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2016 01:35 PM
"I don't have to explain myself to you. If you don't like my opinions, ignore them and move on. That's what rational, reasonable people do."Rational, reasonable people don't cling to their fantasies when those bubbles have been burst by reality. The reality is that Donald Trump disavowed David Duke. Any rational, reasonable person would admit it after seeing the proof in living color....instead of pulling the cloak of bubble world fantasy and unreality tighter around their shoulders. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 70218 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2016 02:41 PM
I have already shown you that Trump did not disrespect the disabled. You unquestioningly accepted what you wanted to believe was true. That reporter wrote a story about him seeing Muslim tailgate parties celebrating on the roofs of buildings in the aftermath of 911. Trump made the same claim (with some hyperbolic in the actual numbers). Trump referred to the reporter's story as independent corroboration after others in the press called him a liar. The reporter then caved under pressure from his media peers and recanted as to what he saw, and Trump was indicating that the reporter was groveling for forgiveness. I gave you video evidence of the whole speech, as well as prior speeches where Trump made the same hand gestures predating and totally unrelated to the reporter. Trump is very animated in his speeches and speaks with his hands a lot. The lying left freeze-framed till they got the perfect frame that looked like Trump was imitating the reporter's disability and then circulated that photo. Then when people view portions of the video in that mind-set, yes, they see it as a mocking. That's the way the non-critical human brain works. Your erroneous belief in a falsehood does not make something a truth simply because of your desire to accept it as such based upon your disdain for an individual. And I hope all of the America-hating liberal celebrities who claim they will move out of the country actually do so. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 1771 From: Welcome to Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted September 15, 2016 05:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by jwhop: "I don't have to explain myself to you. If you don't like my opinions, ignore them and move on. That's what rational, reasonable people do."Rational, reasonable people don't cling to their fantasies when those bubbles have been burst by reality. The reality is that Donald Trump disavowed David Duke. Any rational, reasonable person would admit it after seeing the proof in living color....instead of pulling the cloak of bubble world fantasy and unreality tighter around their shoulders.
A rational and reasonable person would ignore your trolling, which is exactly what I'm doing from now on. IP: Logged |