posted October 04, 2016 12:36 PM            

Or will Kaine add to Clintons lead?

Tonight Pence vs Kaine on CNN ,c-span ABC,CBS and NBC

posted October 04, 2016 05:18 PM            

I actually think Pence will come out ahead. I suspect he is quicker on his feet and has had lotsa practice defending Trump and his VPing for him. I know Trump is about dead in the water and this is his last hurrah ahead of his debate.

posted October 04, 2016 05:22 PM            

Kain is another Joe Biden to me. That goofy guy in the background. Qualified nonetheless.

posted October 04, 2016 07:28 PM            

If you actually believe that, I think you're in for a real surprise on election day. You're forgetting about the almost 100 million voting age Americans who have never voted or only voted once in the last 4 elections. They're called the "Monster vote" and many at Trump's rallies come from this group. They're unaffiliated and are not picked up in polling results.

posted October 05, 2016 08:37 AM            

a. Kaine was like a puppy wanting attention and kept interrupting.

b. Pence missed the golden goose to vigorously defend trump.

Because of both, I don`t see a true winner and to answer my own question, nope, no revelance to the election.

posted October 05, 2016 09:27 AM            

Never let it be said Hillary The Corrupt is a failure at everything. She sure knows her Fascism.

posted October 05, 2016 11:12 AM            

...what a rude jerk you are.

If the best casting director in Hollywood went in search of the perfect actor to play a typical know-it-all, smug, smarmy liberal to represent the Democratic Party on the vice presidential debate stage Tuesday night, he could not possibly have made a better selection than Tim Kaine. This was my first opportunity to see this potential president-in-waiting in action, and all I can say is that this sneering motor-mouth, who immediately began a pattern of repetitive and, I believe, intentional interruptions of his opponent and continued it as long as the moderator would let him get away with it, was woefully less than impressive.

Kaine was a squeaky-voiced, unctuous reminder of far too many of the self-righteous liberals I've had to contend with in my long life. You know the type: rolling the eyes, shaking the head to deliver their not so subliminal message that we're just so totally smarter than you are that you can't possibly understand what we're saying. We've all seen it, in the past mostly within our own families, but in the last few years it has become the standard form of public liberal discourse. There is only one side, and that is theirs. They know it all, and if you disagree, you are a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal, and they're entitled to smirk snottily about it.

That is exactly the role Tim Kaine played on his opening night on the world stage, and I must say he did it flawlessly. Not everyone can play such an irritating jerk so convincingly, depicting to perfection the arrested adolescence that is the defining characteristic of liberalism, and do it so well before such a huge audience.

I guess congratulations are in order: hey, Timmie, you really showed us deplorables, kid!

posted October 05, 2016 02:25 PM            

His way of minimizing Trumps statements but really, he minimized the people of Mexican descent not Trumps racist statements.

posted October 05, 2016 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"[b]I know Trump is about dead in the water and this is his last hurrah ahead of his debate."

If you actually believe that, I think you're in for a real surprise on election day. You're forgetting about the almost 100 million voting age Americans who have never voted or only voted once in the last 4 elections. They're called the "Monster vote" and many at Trump's rallies come from this group. They're unaffiliated and are not picked up in polling results.

I agree Pence is almost the perfect running mate for Trump. He's heavy into policy issues and has great relationships in the Congress where he can pitch and sell Trump's agenda. He may well be the next President...after Trump.[/B]

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posted October 05, 2016 03:20 PM            

Pence was respectful, explained what is wrong with the country, talked about policies his ticket would enforce to fix it, and he DID defend Trump. He doesn't have to be a puppet spewing the same catch phrases(like Kain) to defend Trump.

posted October 05, 2016 03:23 PM            

I know the Democrat agenda. I know Hillary's history. I still look for evidence of Trump being capable of performing his duties as commander in chief which I wouldn't get from a VP debate.

I question whether the second and third presidential debates will even matter. Maybe if they included Johnson and Stein...

posted October 05, 2016 05:21 PM            

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Honestly, I thought that they should have gotten Al Gore to moderate and Dan Quail to do color commentary for the VP debate

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Maybe next VP debate !

posted October 05, 2016 05:25 PM            

Will it increase the chances for getting their vote, decrease it by the minimizing or have no consequence?

posted October 05, 2016 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
etherealsaturn,
how do you think those of Mexican descent will take "the Mexican thing again" statement ?

Will it increase the chances for getting their vote, decrease it by the minimizing or have no consequence?

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Informed Mexican voters - and there are plenty, know exactly what illegal immigration is and what the consequence is for breaking the law. Some of the legal Mexican citizens are supportive of Trump and stand against illegal immigrants, especially those that come here bringing violence, crime and drugs. It is happening, and it is a problem.

Pence wasn't negatively downplaying Mexicans as people when he said "that Mexican thing again". Tim Kaine repeated a misquote that Trump called "all Mexicans rapists and criminals". This so called quote continues to be used against Trump; from people who don't actually listen to any of his speeches in full, or cherry pick words and put them in Trump's mouth to create an out of context headline. For any journalist to do this it's utterly lazy, inaccurate and plain annoying.

Trump's plan to build a wall because of the on-going problem with Mexico(and Hillary Clinton has agreed on this in the past...)and the idea that Trump has called all Mexicans rapists and criminals became a huge talking point in the media, what some may call a "thing".

To spin what Pence said in any way is such a waste of time, it wasn't offensive in the least. Claiming that half of Trump supporters are "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic" IS offensive. Referring to the problems coming from Mexico as a thing is NOT offensive.

posted October 05, 2016 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
Those who are voting for Trump know that he's not a racist and didn't call all Mexicans rapists and and criminals.

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You sure about that? This wasn't a gaffe, it was how he kicked off his campaign in front actors paid to cheer him on.

posted October 05, 2016 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
Claiming that half of Trump supporters are "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic" IS offensive.

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posted October 06, 2016 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
So I guess if he said "half of Mexicans" it would be worthy of outrage, but he didn't quantify it so it's okay?

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Correct. I still don't see the word ALL in that gif. You can't find a quote from Trump that says that because he never said all Mexicans are those things, he doesn't believe that himself. He has also explained that it's not just Mexicans, it's people traveling from all over the world through the Mexican border because it's that easy to do. Your interpreting what he said to mean something it doesn't and it has been a common theme this election cycle.

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
Hillary came out the next day and apologized for saying the word "half", but the reality is that many of Trump's supporters do fall into these categories. Trump says way more offensive things on a daily basis.

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I'm glad she apologized. But it's obvious she meant what she initially said, she started her sentence with "You know, to just be grossly generalistic". And no that's not the reality. I know plenty of people who are voting for Trump, and I live in a blue state! Let me tell you, New York is mostly rural and conservative, in my own neighborhood Trump support GREATLY out ways Clinton. And these supporters I'm talking about are absolutely none of those things. I am none of those things. You can't label people as racist etc. just because they don't agree with you.

posted October 06, 2016 05:17 PM            

He is not qualified to be potus. His history and current actions/statements paint a picture of an egotistical man who is in it for the fame, money and ego food.

I believe there are too many Americans who have a long memory and adding up recent events , Trump will not make it to the white house.

But, Randall has heard this from me for years

posted October 06, 2016 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
Let's agree to disagree and see what happens in November.

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I like you!

Indeed, it will play out as it is ment to be.