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Geeky
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posted November 11, 2016 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://astrostyle.com/2016-election-aftermath/

Highlights -

Best part - "We have been schooled our whole lives on how Hitler came to power, tapping into the anger of the white poor and working class, and choosing an ethnic minority as their scapegoat. When Mexicans and Muslims are targeted in the same way, we refuse to be silent about it. We will not make a naïve, wide-eyed endorsement of a man who dehumanizes others. Silence, in fact, was the greatest crime of Nazi Germany…the “good Germans” who looked the other way allowed the catastrophic events to occur."

"What’s truly scary though, is that in many ways, Donald Trump is just a messenger. He pulled the white hood off of the racist and hateful population that’s been there, seething with rage and sharpening their knives for eight years while Obama was in office. But he also gave them a voice. He unified them and brought them together. There’s power in numbers."

Are you rational enough to even consider this a valid point of view instead of accusing the liberals (not all protesting are liberal anyway) of being crybabies or losing their minds because they lost.

Can you not see the parallels? I do -

" Hitler aimed to eliminate Jews from Germany and establish a New Order to counter what he saw as the injustice of the post-World War I international order dominated by Britain and France. His first six years in power resulted in rapid economic recovery from the Great Depression, the effective abandonment of restrictions imposed on Germany after World War I, and the annexation of territories that were home to millions of ethnic Germans—actions which gave him significant popular support."

Leading to...

"Under Hitler's leadership and racially motivated ideology, the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of at least 5.5 million Jews and millions of other victims whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen ("sub-humans") and socially undesirable. Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 29 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European Theatre of World War II. The number of civilians killed during the Second World War was unprecedented in warfare, and constitutes the deadliest conflict in human history."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

So no, it's not because the other guy won. It's because that other guy is not fit to serve as President. Not even close.

This is far beyond typical political corruptness. This guy says it's okay to just grab a woman by the p*ssy. How do I explain that to my teen daughter?!!

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posted November 11, 2016 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and in case you all missed it, Putin is our modern day Mussolini. Wait & see.

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posted November 12, 2016 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you explain to your daughter that Bill assaulted numerous women or that Hillary accepted tens of millions from countries where women can be legally raped?

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posted November 12, 2016 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had enough of the utter bullshiiite that Trump is Hitler reincarnated.

Let me remind you little Socialist Geeks, Hitler was one of you. Got it now? Hitler was a life long Socialist. So was Mussolini, both Socialists, both Socialist murderous dictators whose governments bore a striking resemblance to the SOCIALIST government of Stalin...in the old, now extinct USSR.

You Socialist Crash Dummy intellects have been trying to run away from Hitler for more than 70 years but there's nothing which will erase the actual name of Hitler's political party in Germany and there's nothing which will erase the origins, intentions, methods and mindsets of the NAZIS. Get ready, here it comes!

National SOCIALIST German Workers’ Party.

Our little Crash Dummy Socialist intellects are just as ignorant of the origins of another term which falls so trippingly from their ignorant lips.

FASCIST

The political party of Benito Mussolini, Hitler's Socialist ally in WWII was...The National FASCIST Party (Partito Nazionale Fascista, PNF).

So, all you little Socialist Crash Dummy intellects can take these 2 words and stuff them straight up your collective/collectivist kazoos...unless you're referring to yourselves.

NAZI
FASCIST

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posted November 12, 2016 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rioters are killing now. And that's the party of love, acceptance, and inclusiveness? They are showing their true colors and the real hate they harbor.

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posted November 12, 2016 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And that guy who was beat in Chicago...awful! I'm so tired of people saying the racist remark. So those black people aren't for beating the crap put of that guy? They are just dumb f#@k's who are using the election results as an excuse to act like one.

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posted November 13, 2016 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peony     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Can we now focus on what Trump brings to the table?

Well, for one thing he brought an end to both the Bush and Clinton dynasties. I think Trump is the best thing that could have happened to the colossally arrogant and corrupt Clintons and the Democratic Party, who have been banished to the political wilderness. Ironically, he may also bring about a resurgence of the Left in the U.S., now that the party which despises its left flank lays in ruins and Trump is in the White House. Hopefully his presidency signals the beginning of the end for the two major parties who have failed the country spectacularly.


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posted November 13, 2016 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's been 4 days...going on the 5th, since Trump was elected as the next President of the United States.

It's crystal clear the Socialists, Communists, Anarchists and Nihilists, otherwise known as Progressives, have no idea just how big a loss they've suffered.

November 13, 2016
CTRL-L: The Left Loses Its Unremitting Fight for Control
Clarice Feldman

My friend Professor Charles Lipson has suggested this title -- CTRL-L as an alternate to Alt-R not only because it’s a witty rejoinder to the tag, but as well because it accurately describes the left, a faction always seeking control over us. And they lost handily on Tuesday.

This week the left -- its propagandizing press, pollsters, and university leftist monoculture -- suffered a long deserved and punishing blow, but what it could not win at the ballot box it is attempting to regain in the streets. They seem to want elections to be resolved by the number of people they can turn out to riot and disrupt.

A brief recap of the most astonishing electoral turnabout in recent memory.

1.) The Media and the Pollsters lost their clout by incompetence and deceit

Pre-election night polls and media coverage reflected that leftist monoculture.

The pollsters should now begin shuttering their shops and looking for real work. After months of predicting a certain substantial Hillary win, they predicted the following results:

NBC/SM: Clinton +6

Ipsos: Clinton +4

NBC/WSJ: Clinton +4

ABC/WaPo: Clinton +4

Herald: Clinton +4

Bloomberg: Clinton +3

Only IBD and Dornslife predicted a Trump win.

The entire media, even Fox News, reflected the bias against Trump, a bias well-documented in the Wikileaks disclosures of the Podesta emails, showing the media conniving to feed Clinton debate questions and coordinating their coverage with Hillary and the DNC. (An excellent look at the campaign can be found in Don Surber’s book about it.)

Media and pundits predicted that Hillary would win in a landslide, and they freaked out when the voters ignored their predictions:

One of the New York Times’ lead op-ed writers, Thomas Friedman, wailed that “at the moment I am in anguish, frightened for my country and for our unity. And for the first time, I feel homeless in America.”

The leftist Huffington Post’s senior politics editor, Sam Stein, wrote that Americans “chose to jump into the abyss” by electing Trump. Mirroring the Times’ race-baiting, Stein wrote that Trump “is a nativist, and one who has brought in his wake a scary thread of anti-Semitism and racism that has marred the entire 16-month presidential campaign.”

Slate featured articles with such outrageous headlines as “White Women Sold Out the Sisterhood and the World by Voting for Trump” and “White Won.” The latter article’s sub-heading was “We are still the country that produced George Wallace. We are still the country that killed Emmett Till.” One headline Slate did probably get right was “Donald Trump Will Erase the Obama Era.” Obama had made the election a referendum on his own legacy and the voters gave him their verdict.

David Corn wrote in Mother Jones that “America is broken.” Trying to be too clever by half, Corn added that “Hate did trump.”

ABC’s Martha Raddatz, who had moderated one of the presidential debates, had to hold back tears acknowledging Trump winning the presidency, insinuating soldiers’ lives could be in danger.

CNN’s Van Jones called the election of Donald Trump a “nightmare,” which represented a “white lash against a changing country… a white lash against a black president in part.”

Finally, MSNBC’s commentators were apoplectic. Chris Matthews certainly did not have the Obama-induced thrill up his leg when he complained, “This is a shot against meritocracy, I think.” Rachel Maddow told her audience, as Trump’s victory was becoming a reality, “you’re not having a terrible, terrible dream. Also you’re not dead and you haven’t gone to hell.”

I’d add the execrable Bill Press to the list of examples of Lefty media personalities with egg on their faces today:

GOP owes apology to America

By Bill Press - 11/07/16 05:51 PM EST

God is good. Finally! This execrable 2016 presidential election crawls to a close today. And there’s no doubt what should happen next.

Tonight, we count the votes. First thing tomorrow morning, Republican leaders should line up to apologize for the pain, humiliation and monumental embarrassment they’ve inflicted on the American people by nominating Donald Trump.

Austin Bay reflects on how Trump defeated Hillary and the “seemingly dominant Media”

Referring to the NY, DC, and LA media’s once dominant control of news coverage, he explained why the “mainstream media” has been demoted to the “seemingly dominant media” with the advent of talk radio and the Internet.

The fly-over, deplorable Americans of 2016 were wise to the “seemingly dominant media” scam. Not only were they wise to it, they were fed up with it.

In contrast to Trump, Hillary maintained “public and private positions,” and the SDM (Seemingly Dominant Media -- could mean SaDomasochistic Media) let her get away with it.

Wikileaks didn’t let her get away with it. Check the previous link. In a paid speech to Wall Street elites she admitted, with pride, she had public and private positions that differed. The Wall Street elites paying her outrageous speaking fees got the private position -- the accurate, inside skinny sketching what she’d really do once she had presidential power.

Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank and the other financial powers that paid those ridiculous fees bet that Hillary’s hypocrisy and Hillary’s lies would win the election.

Alas, the smart money lost that bet. Trump won.

George Stephanopoulos’ wife, Ali Wentworth, said that she and her husband would leave the U.S. and go to Australia if Trump won.

George, old boy. You’re the Democrat operative with a byline who ginned up the phony Republican “war on women” meme in the 2012 election. You also donated 75 grand to the Clinton Foundation and didn’t mention it to your audience until, you know, it sleazed out.

Aside to Team ABC: George Stephanopoulos was never a journalist and you jerks knew it from the get-go. Stephanopoulos was there to slam Republicans and push Democrats. Yet Team Hilary lost the election. Your scam’s over, Team ABC. You don’t believe it. But it is.

Newsweek, which last sold for one dollar, was forced to recall 125,000 copies of its souvenir Madam President edition.

We’re just not so into you fools any more. And apparently even the editor of the NYT –- the paper which published a piece suggesting it was okay for journalists to abandon objective reporting to help Hillary, has now relented. and said “that the paper would “reflect” on its coverage of this year’s election while rededicating itself to reporting on “America and the world” honestly.”

Online friends remain skeptical of this new found “humility” of the formerly dominant media. Matt Holzmann is typical:

“It's hard to see how the press can survive this -- who wants to PAY for snotty lectures from 20-somethings who failed math? Small-town papers offer coverage of high-school sports and publish obituaries, but how long can that last? They already lost the classified ad revenue stream to Craigslist and ad-hoc Facebook groups.”

2.) Who did vote for Trump?

The great cartoonist Michael Ramirez captured the mood. He refashioned the famous photo of Harry Truman holding up a copy of the Chicago Tribune edition which said “Dewey won” -- this time headed “Media Defeats Trump”.

Dennis Prager laughed out loud at Paul Krugman’s post-election ******* and moaning:

How exactly did people who voted for Donald Trump not value Democratic norms and the Rule of Law? No, no. What is he talking about? The man is a hysteric. Most of the columnists of the New York Times are hysterics. I read them as a psychological exercise. The Opinion Page of The New York Times is a vapid page. Vapid, which is a very serious word for empty. It is empty, it is intellectually and morally shallow in the extreme. They rub each others backs. They think identically. And they really don't think, they feel. The defeat for the Left, which is all this is about for me, it was not about Trump, it was not about Clinton, It is about the destructive, utterly destructive force of the Left in Western Civilization, that cancer, took place last night in the United States of America. It is not possible to overstate how important this is. We may, we don't know, we may have saved America yesterday.

The constant efforts to denigrate and demoralize potential Trump voters by the Democrats and the media reflected their misunderstanding of the mood of the country. Trump voters were not the ignorant, biased, sexist yahoos they said we were.

Early information based on exit polling (concededly often flawed) apparently revealed that white women were just not that into Hillary. White women led Trump to victory:

“White women without a college degree supported Trump over Hillary Clinton by nearly a two to one margin. White women with a college degree were more evenly divided, with 45% supporting Trump, compared with 51% supporting Clinton.

“There’s your shy Trump vote,” Republican pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson tweeted on Tuesday night, noting that Trump had only lost white women with college degrees by a narrow margin.”

The notion that uneducated men voted for Trump and those with college degrees did not also seems to have been false.

“In fact the uneducated white men voting for Trump belief is false. In fact, white college grads voted 49% Trump, 45% Clinton.”

The Washington Post reported a rather even split in voters with or without a college degree:

“Contrary to some of the conventional wisdom out there about the 2016 voter, this was a more highly educated electorate than in 2012. It split evenly -- 50 percent for each -- between college grads and non-college grads. Four years ago, 53 percent of the electorate was non-college grads as compared to 47 percent who had a college degree.”

All this is remarkable when you consider the monoculture of the left dominated colleges and universities in the U.S.

3. Truth and Consequences.

On January 23, 2009 Obama said to then House Republican whip Eric Cantor: “Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.” Obama’s almost eight years in office have led to a significant weakening of his party both in the Congress and the states and left his own party in shambles. Contrary to the oft-repeated meme that Trump would destroy his party, Pelosi seems to be fighting a backfire and it looks as though the far left Moslem convert Ralph Ellison of Minnesota will head the DNC, a choice revealing that the party has now been captured by those who still don’t get it about their own country and will lose even more clout.

The Trans Pacific Pact seems to have died unborn. Mexico and Canada have expressed their willingness to renegotiate NAFTA, 1.4 million people who admitted they were here illegally and gave the government their names and addresses to apply for Obama’s Executive Order amnesty, have caught on that it’s not worth a dime and will be cancelled as soon as Trump takes office. Many are reported to be self-deporting themselves.

Egypt’s Al-Sisi was the first to telephone Trump and thank him for the much-deserved support against the Moslem Brotherhood, which Trump seems to want to add to the terrorist list along with CAIR. Netanyahu’s been invited to the Trump White House (and not by the garbage door). The South Koreans have said they want to set up an auto plant in the U.S. The Philippine president and Russia’s Vladimir Putin have expressed a desire for better relations now.

Most of the Democratic and White House staffers believed the media and pollster bunkum and didn’t even bother having backup plans for other employment. The contacts they had are now powerless, the regulations they worked on are likely to be abolished along with many of the bureaus and agencies for which they toiled. They will all be competing with each other for the few jobs available. I often think the arrogance of the elite is a mask to hide their insecurity about their right to rule. They’re about to learn why those insecurities are realistic.

I know you’ll be astonished to learn that the entertainment geniuses who promised to leave the country if Trump were elected are not yet packing their bags.

4. The Protests and Collegiate Wailing

Never before having heard a discouraging word, whining, distraught college students seek counseling, safe spaces, and postponement of exams. To quote the great Iowahawk: "Trump is what happens when you spent the last 7 Thanksgiving dinners lecturing your angry uncle from your Vox index cards."

For those on the campuses fetishizing victimhood and psychological frailty, congratulations on producing the most laughable generation in history.

America is filled with truly hurting and broken people. They are an entirely different class of individuals than the growing number of college students demanding safe spaces and trigger warnings.

Curiously, the loudest cries often come from students attending the most expensive and elite colleges. Poor single moms trying to work their way through community college don’t have time to fetishize victimhood. I know that there are students who legitimately struggle with mental illness and they should get the help they need, but as a nation we cannot afford to celebrate and promote psychological fragility.

Nothing good can come from treating colleges like hospitals, places where sick students come to be quarantined and healed. Instead, we should treat colleges like fitness centers for the brain, places where students learn to build their mental muscles. Training is hard, sometimes painful. But it makes one stronger.

When you forbid people to speak by silencing them and banning their ideas, they’ll speak in the voting booth.

Being “offended” or running to your safe spaces or banning their speech isn’t working.

On the West Coast we see kids holding Mexican flags, rioting, and burning our flag while screaming “This is not my country” in cities which ironically did not vote for Trump. Correct, it’s not. If you think elections should be resolved by who creates the most street violence, then leave and return to the hellholes where that’s the case.

As Howie Carr observes:

“Have you noticed how many of the riff-raff can’t wait to go in front of the TV cameras to announce in broken English that the reason they hate President-elect Trump is because they’re illegal aliens.

Then they hold up their signs saying “NOT MY PRESIDENT!”

Well then, of course he’s not your president. You’re from Guatemala, or maybe Honduras.

Last night, as a public service to the viewing public, Fox News Channel started running English-language subtitles under the anti-Trump sound bites. I’m serious.”

The riots continue, though we know many are paid demonstrations of the sort Dem shills Move On and OWS are known for. And the question’s been raised, why has the president not stopped them. Is he trying for leverage to force Trump to clear him and other administration officials of the wrongdoing they think is about to be revealed?
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/ctrll_the_left_loses_its_unremitting_fight_for_control.html

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posted November 13, 2016 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give it a rest. There is violence perpetrated by THE WINNING side too. And you are STILL protesting Obama as if any of the rubbish the Conservative Press spewed was realistic.

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posted November 13, 2016 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glenn Beck has finally seen himself in the mirror. I recommend trying it

DALLAS — Our country is in trouble — we all feel it. The pendulum of division and hate is swinging faster. I think, in many ways unfortunately and regretfully, I am uniquely qualified to provide this message of warning and hope.

The two party system has created loyal soldiers. This started long ago, but let’s start with George W. Bush. Even before Sept. 11, he was demonized. Not just his policies or principles, but his decency and humanity: selected, not elected; stupid; evil; hates black people; and so on.

The right in turn wrapped everything in the flag. We pushed our oratory to the maximum red-white-and blue position, and if you didn’t understand it, the chants began: “Move to Canada,” or “Texas should secede.” Sound familiar?

In 2008 people needed hope and elected it. But we conservatives did not get the hope and change we wanted, so we switched places with liberals. When people like me raised questions about Barack Obama’s history, relationships and qualifications, we were dismissed. For our concerns, we were told to get ready for a “fundamental transformation”; we were bitter and clung to our guns and God.

From the swelling ranks of the frustrated, disenfranchised, unemployed and scared, the Tea Party sprouted. The media made Occupy Wall Street into heroes, while the Tea Party was called a bunch of dangerous hicks. I don’t think any of us truly understood what was fermenting around us.

If you voted for Hillary Clinton this week, you likely feel despondent, confused and unable to reconcile how the country elected Donald J. Trump. “Don’t people see how dangerous this man is?” Clinton supporters asked. “Our entire way of life is at stake.”

I get it. I opposed Mr. Trump, too. But this is how nearly half the country felt eight years ago. It does not matter if we do not understand one another’s feelings. What matters is that we at least hear them.

How do we stop the cycle?

Tuesday night, as it became apparent that Mr. Trump would win, I saw myself as others may see me. Pundits were beside themselves talking about sexism, “whitelash” and bigotry. I read three articles comparing him to Hitler. I understand what they meant. But just as President Obama was not a Manchurian candidate, Mr. Trump is not Hitler. The seeds of 1933 may have been planted, but they can grow only through our hate and divisiveness.
I don’t question your right and reasons to feel fear. But don’t fear Donald Trump the way I feared Barack Obama. I read a perfect election summation: The people who were against Mr. Trump took him literally but not seriously. His supporters took him seriously but not literally. It is the same pattern of 2000 and 2008. We heard President Obama was coming for our church and our guns. We were mocked. We thought those who laughed were lying or stupid. Yet, I still go to church, sometimes with a gun.

Wednesday night the streets were already chanting obscenities and calling him names he earned as a candidate, but not ones he deserves as our next president. Mr. Obama and Hillary Clinton have offered wise counsel: Give him a chance. The country needs him to succeed and represent all Americans. I can make an argument that Mr. Trump — who has been liberal for much of his life and has supported Planned Parenthood — holds views that resonate with liberals, including restricting trade and spending $1 trillion on infrastructure. The left and the right may find they have some common ground.

If our Mr. Trump, or any future president, should decide to round up Muslims (or any group) as America did with Japanese during World War II under Franklin D. Roosevelt, I will declare, “I am a Muslim.” My values, honor, integrity and the Bill of Rights demand I stand for those most unlike me — that is when it counts.

Let’s get past politics and find common principles. Can we all agree that we live in historic times and we are all determined to leave a legacy for our children of courage, kindness and reconciliation that makes their life better than ours?

I want to meet with any nonpolitical thought leaders on the left who are sincere and honest in their beliefs — and just listen. I don’t want to convince or to change anyone’s mind. When they can tell me, “Yes, that is how I feel,” we can begin a dialogue. I will listen with my heart as if I was speaking to my spouse, child or friend.

If my journey is just a snapshot and not a 3D video in your eyes, this dire message will not be heard, and 2020 will be worse. But if we listen with love, and risk believing in one another, the consternation about who resides in the White House will prove to be overblown.

We will see where this is going. I reckon a large portion of both "sides" will be surprised. We are still all in this TOGETHER

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posted November 15, 2016 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpiogirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
And you bunch of sore loser whiney crybabies taking to the streets are hypocrites. What a joke!

One would expect the webmaster of this site to show more restraint in the way he expresses himself than this.

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posted November 15, 2016 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
I've had enough of the utter bullshiiite that Trump is Hitler reincarnated.

Let me remind you little Socialist Geeks, Hitler was one of you. Got it now? Hitler was a life long Socialist. So was Mussolini, both Socialists, both Socialist murderous dictators whose governments bore a striking resemblance to the [b]SOCIALIST government of Stalin...in the old, now extinct USSR.

You Socialist Crash Dummy intellects...
NAZI
FASCIST
[/B]


wow, you are still on here? Randall?! Seriously?!

Apart from that: pls. read some history books about this.

In Germany you could be jailed.

and feel free to call me swear names or something, i don't give a crap

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posted November 15, 2016 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hitler was not a socialist, he was a nationalsocialist.
That's a basic difference. Really not comparable.
you get confused by the names

pls. don't open your mouth, jwhob, if you obviously have no clue about BASIC facts of the Nazis

Regards,
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How could anyone be so abysmally ignorant about their own country? It boggles the mind that German citizens don't know the name of the NAZI party in Germany, prior to and during WWII.

National Socialist German Workers' Party

The NAZIS were forever yammering about their national Socialism which in operation bore a striking resemblance to socialist policies of the defunct USSR. You know:
the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

It's hysterically funny that Socialists have run from the facts of Hitler's Socialism for about 70 years now...and continuing into the foreseeable future. Hitler was just one (1) of history's murderous thug Socialist dictators.

Even Hitler's book, Mein Kampf starts right off with Socialist drivel...in the title no less. MY STRUGGLE. "Struggle", a Socialist buzz word which escapes Socialist lips endlessly to frame their fight against the forces of free market capitalism.

So now, we have Socialists attempting to make Socialism respectable again, by denying the historical fact that Hitler was a Socialist. The want to bury the fact that Socialist governments in 2 Socialist countries alone killed up to 200,000,000, 200 Million, of their own citizens..for disagreeing with their Socialist governments. Two (2) other murderous thug Socialist dictators, Stalin and Mao, if sheer numbers of murdered citizens, their own, are considered were the bloodiest tyrants in human history. Hitler and his murderous NAZIS, Socialists were responsible for the deaths of 50,000,000, 50 Million in WWII.

Now, the decedents of Hitler, other bloody Socialist Thug dictators and their accomplices want the world to:

Give Socialism a try.

Fat chance!

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posted November 15, 2016 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh my gosh. you are soo blinded, jwhop. as i said: You get confused by the names.

i am giving up. I don't care if you consider Hitler a socialist or not. you may call him Stalins best friend

also, i am not a socialist. don't know why you call me a socialist, but i don't give a crap. call me a communist or a hairy p*ssy. feel free to do so

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posted November 15, 2016 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as already explained:

nationalsocialst aint't a socialist.

but you just want to read what you want to read.

but ok. i am giving up on you

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posted November 15, 2016 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
How could anyone be so abysmally ignorant about their own country? It boggles the mind that German citizens don't know the name of the NAZI party in Germany, prior to and during WWII.

[b]National Socialist German Workers' Party

The NAZIS were forever yammering about their national Socialism which in operation bore a striking resemblance to socialist policies of the defunct USSR. You know:
the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

It's hysterically funny that Socialists have run from the facts of Hitler's Socialism for about 70 years now...and continuing into the foreseeable future. Hitler was just one (1) of history's murderous thug Socialist dictators.

Even Hitler's book, Mein Kampf starts right off with Socialist drivel...in the title no less. MY STRUGGLE. "Struggle", a Socialist buzz word which escapes Socialist lips endlessly to frame their fight against the forces of free market capitalism.

So now, we have Socialists attempting to make Socialism respectable again, by denying the historical fact that Hitler was a Socialist. The want to bury the fact that Socialist governments in 2 Socialist countries alone killed up to 200,000,000, 200 Million, of their own citizens..for disagreeing with their Socialist governments. Two (2) other murderous thug Socialist dictators, Stalin and Mao, if sheer numbers of murdered citizens, their own, are considered were the bloodiest tyrants in human history. Hitler and his murderous NAZIS, Socialists were responsible for the deaths of 50,000,000, 50 Million in WWII.

Now, the decedents of Hitler, other bloody Socialist Thug dictators and their accomplices want the world to:

Give Socialism a try.

Fat chance![/B]


The only thing "national socialist" has in common with socialism is this:

"Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying Germans as part of what Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.[2] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous society, unified on the basis of "racial purity" (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum, while excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or belonging to an "inferior" race. The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of a new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and to accept the priority of political interests in economic organisation.[3]"

"Social Darwinism is a name given to various phenomena emerging in the second half of the 19th century, trying to apply biological concepts of natural selection and survival of the fittest in human society" - a common concept used in various degrees of right wing doctrines.


National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state, as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism developed out of the influences of Pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after German defeat in World War I.

Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and Social Darwinism, identifying Germans as part of what Nazis regarded as an Aryan or Nordic master race.[2] It aimed to overcome social divisions and create a homogeneous society, unified on the basis of "racial purity" (Volksgemeinschaft). The Nazis aimed to unite all Germans living in historically German territory, as well as gain additional lands for German expansion under the doctrine of Lebensraum, while excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or belonging to an "inferior" race. The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of a new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and to accept the priority of political interests in economic organisation.[3]

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and anti-Semitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s, Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organisation and renamed it the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP) to broaden its appeal. The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalisation of some industries. In Mein Kampf, written in 1924, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for parliamentary democracy and his belief in Germany’s right to territorial expansion.

In 1933, with the support of traditional conservative nationalists, Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany and the Nazis gradually established a one-party state, under which Jews, political opponents and other "undesirable" elements were marginalised, with several millions eventually imprisoned and killed. Hitler purged the party’s more socially and economically radical factions in the mid-1934 Night of the Long Knives and, after the death of President Hindenburg, political power was concentrated in his hands, as Führer or "leader". Following the Holocaust and German defeat in World War II, only a few fringe racist groups, usually referred to as neo-Nazis, still describe themselves as following National Socialism.

Socialism itself, or any other political doctrine, has nothing to do with Enneline's anti-racism declaration, or mine.

The anti-racism/sexism protests are common sense reactions to Trump's blatant prejudice/hate speech during the campaign and his political agenda (which includes major prejudice and hallucinatory, unrealistic measures) and the fact that a political figure who has extreme views/speech is now the president of the US (or any country for that matter).

Left (communism) and right (fascism) extremes both lead to the same preposterous result and have similar manifestation venues (for example racism is common to both), all extreme views, not based on reality and harmony, lead into the same abyss.

My family is a survivor of both Nazi and Communist crimes, which makes many Europeans (and also many Americans) who literally experienced the reality of what is just a poetry to you to send a big, justified warning about the direction America took and where it leads to.

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posted November 15, 2016 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you replace Jew with Muslim or Mexican, you will understand where the protests come from, in the US or elsewhere.

"The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalisation of some industries. In Mein Kampf, written in 1924, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for parliamentary democracy and his belief in Germany’s right to territorial expansion.

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posted November 15, 2016 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, LeeLoo always there to step in when i feel like giving up on the world

Again: i am really astonished how many people want to show off with their alleged insights and knowledge about Nazis and wouldnt know even the MOST BASIC facts about it. That always puzzles me.


Ok, one more time (not for Jwhop but for anyone who might be interested in):
The Nazis did hate Stalin and his fellows + Karl Marx (a Jew btw).
They were off the opinion that Stalin & co. want to destroy them. Thats why it was easy to make the population believe that Poland attacked Germany- we all know it was the other way around) and so they shouted and begged for war in order "to fight the Jewish Bolshewism that wants to destroy the Aryan race!" A very common term. Very ridiculous, but that is what they believed.
And i have gained my knowledge not by books or history lessons only, i heard that first hand- told by former soldiers, Nazis and people who lived in Nazi Germany.

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Speaking for myself, I appreciate the global community posting here and sharing. It gives me a broader look at how other countries sees america and her politics.

Rather I agree or not, it is an insight I value.

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Leeloo, thank you. Sent you an email.

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I also appreciate the global community views. I don't know anything about the Nazis, so this is informative for me on both ends of the spectrum.

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"The Nazis did hate Stalin and his fellows"

Yeah, Hitler and his minions did hate Stalin...oh wait; Hitler and Stalin signed a (mutual) Non-Aggression Pact in 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty.

What Hitler and his minions hated was that Stalin's Socialists were trying to overthrow the Socialist regime of NAZI Germany. Though Hitler admired the "zeal" of Stalin's Socialists in Germany, he had them killed anyway.

The only disagreement between Hitler and Stalin was...which murderous Socialist dictator would ascend to be Top Socialist Dictator of Europe.

As for NAZIS being right wing, nothing could be further from the truth. Hitler was a Socialist, one of your little murderous dictators and so was Stalin.

"It is hard to find objectivity when talking about Nazism today. It was, of course, a ghastly movement that few defend. What most people know of it is disseminated by college professors, who tell their students that Nazism was a movement of the “Right” and that it was the tool of industrialists and religious extremists. This slant is seldom questioned; however, books written while the Nazis were in power tell a much different story. Contemporary authors — though of different religious beliefs, different partisan and political orientations, and different nationalities — all agreed that Nazis and Bolsheviks were identical twins, not polar opposites.

Right, 2 peas from the same pod. Both leftist, both Socialist.

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posted November 15, 2016 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, seriously, you couldn't be more far off from any research and evidences serious historians provide.

Just take a loot at wikipedia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
It was a far right group, one of the main characteristics!

You can be thankful to be on an American Forum which websmaster doesn't know anything about Nazis; you would have already been banned from any German Board, I'll tell you right now.

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posted November 15, 2016 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The legendary and notorious battle of Stalingrad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad

happened due to the hatred Hitler and Stalin felt for each other. The losses on both sides were already beyond any reasonability but neither of them would give in since the name of the city was "Stalingrad". Hitler wanted to destroy the city that was named after his worst enemy

If you say Stalin was as much as an evil as Hitler: I agree

If you say their initial roots were smiliar: i agree

but any futher development, let out the results happened on opponent sides

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