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jwhop
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posted February 17, 2017 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop        Reply w/Quote
Leftist news weenies just can't get fake news stories out of their systems.

Here's another one from what a lot of people consider the main stream media.

Rational people wonder if these leftist idiots...so called journalists are so stupid as to think they're going to get away with running totally false, fake news stories.

Notice, this so called memo is ADDRESSED to holdovers from the Obama administration. You know, those people who are most certain to embrace the use of the National Guard to round up illegal aliens...NOT.

White House Denies Fake News of National Guard Immigration Force
Bob Price
17 Feb 2017

The White House is flatly denying media reports that the Trump Administration is considering using national guard troops as immigration officers to round up illegal aliens.

“There is no effort at all to round up, to utilize the National Guard to round up illegal immigrants,” White House press secretary Sean Spicer said of the report, The Hill reported. “That is 100% not true. It is false. It is irresponsible to be saying this.”

Spicer continued, “I don’t know what could potentially be out there, but I know that there is no effort to do what is potentially suggested.”

The Associated Press reported on a leaked “draft memo” claiming that up to 100,000 National Guard troops could be used to round up unauthorized immigration. The AP reported the plan would round up illegal aliens living nowhere near the Mexican border. The headline appears to falsely claim “Trump weighs mobilizing Nat Guard for immigration roundups.”

Department of Homeland Security Spokesman David Lapan responded to an inquiry from Breitbart Texas stating, “The Department is not considering mobilizing the National Guard for immigration enforcement.”

The AP report claims:

Four states that border on Mexico are included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompasses seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

Governors in the 11 states would have a choice whether to have their guard troops participate, according to the memo, written by U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general.

While National Guard personnel have been used to assist with immigration-related missions on the U.S.-Mexico border before, they have never been used as broadly or as far north.

The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders.

The AP claims the 18-page January 25 “draft memo,” addressed to Obama holdovers in the CBP, calls for the troops to “perform the functions of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension, and detention of aliens in the United States.”

Breitbart Texas reached out to Texas Governor Greg Abbott for comment on the alleged plans. “The Office of the Governor has not received, much less seen, a memo or request from the White House or Department of Homeland Security regarding the use of Texas National Guard troops for immigration enforcement,” Governor Abbott’s Spokesman John Wittman responded. “The White House has adamantly denied there are efforts underway to mobilize the National Guard for this purpose.”

The governors of Arizona, Utah, Nevada, California, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oregon and New Mexico told the AP they were unaware of the memo.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/02/17/white-house-denies-fake-news-allegation-national-guard-immigration-force/

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Catalina
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posted February 17, 2017 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Like the WH denied Flynn was out of order..before asking for his resignation?

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Catalina
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posted February 17, 2017 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Or how about the habit Donny has of falsely numbering the floors of his buildings to impress people (who he must think are idiots).. not fake?

Or "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" and when that is debunked "I never said they'd pay up front".. nor did he say the taxpayer was going to get stuck, possibly twice, with it.

But "the media" are liars (and alternative media are not media in Dumpty's New American Dictionary)

Calling someone out as"fake" does not prove the caller is genuine.

Nixon was big on "fake news" too

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jwhop
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posted February 17, 2017 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop        Reply w/Quote
Who cares what Mexico says about paying for the wall?

I can think of at least 5 ways Trump can get the money from Mexico to pay for the wall.

Nevertheless, Trump isn't in the news business. The As$ ociated Press is and they're running fake news stories.

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posted February 18, 2017 12:58 AM              Reply w/Quote
Could you use any other source than that f.... right wing site Breitbart of Cannon?

Do you think is the only reliable source out there?

also, pls ensure you have not become far right wing instead of right wing or are you xenophobic? Would be hard for you in a country built of immigrants

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Catalina
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posted February 18, 2017 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Here's some more fake news seems the White Knight doesn't check his facts before accusing others of faking them😉
http://www.bostongl obe.com/news/politics/2017/02/16/reporter-called-out-president-trump-his-faulty-electoral-college-math/KHswU4UHapBvLjLgemBt7M/story.html

Perhaps, since he is not in the news business he should stop pretending he knows they're fake ?!

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Catalina
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posted February 18, 2017 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Well NOW I'm curious
What 5 ways could you get Mexico to pay for the wall? Have you offered this advice to congress cause they don't have anything worth mentioning

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posted February 18, 2017 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Enneline, that is the official news outlet of the Administration. Everything else is fake!!

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Randall
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posted February 18, 2017 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
Trump said in September that Mexico will reimburse us. No surprise for people who watch real news.

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iQ
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posted February 18, 2017 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ        Reply w/Quote
There may be 20 ways for Mexico to pay for the Wall [ which might never be severely delayed due logistical issues, price escalation ] but no guarantee that Mexico will succumb to those ways and actually pay.
The US Taxpayer will end up paying for it one way or the other. Which is still fine if the Wall will effectively stop drug cartels but it just will not. A Wall cannot stop Drone Cargo nor can it stop Deep Tunnels which will be overlooked because of the false confidence in the Walls. One C4 charge in an unmanned wall and a 1000 will enter in one stroke.
To have heavy guards across the wall, Trump needs an extra 300000 highly paid security employees [3 shifts x 100,000. 1 guard for every 100 feet approx]. That is an annual bill of 300 billion dollars. It would be cheaper to give special work permits without Citizenship benefits or welfare schemes to any Mexican who wants to work in USA.
This would create extra tax revenue of 300 billion dollars than destroy the US Economy.

No "Rust Belt" American who voted Trump would do the work the Mexicans do anyway.

Hope some deep thought is given to mathematical and economic facts by the Trump Administration, then the Media will be forced to acknowledge the good work done.

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Catalina
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posted February 18, 2017 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Clip of Kennedy complaining about antagonistic press (under two minutes)
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/jfk-on-the-importance-of-the-press-to-a-free-society-880072259938

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posted February 19, 2017 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Sweden wants to know where Donny gets his info


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15Y0QH

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Catalina
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posted February 20, 2017 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
And, still waiting to hear how Mexico is going to Reimburse us. The silence is deafening

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iQ
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posted February 21, 2017 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ        Reply w/Quote
<< And, still waiting to hear how Mexico is going to Reimburse us. The silence is deafening >>
What I think the Trump Team will spin:

The Wall will keep out over 2 million Illegal Mexican Immigrants in the future. They would cause more than 50 billion dollars of losses to the Economy by remitting their earnings to Mexico without taxes. Hence, the Wall has been paid for through future Mexican loss of revenue from the United States.

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posted February 21, 2017 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ        Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile, Breitbart might fire Milo for his pro-Pedophilia stance. Am waiting for confirmation from Breitbart as any other new source regarding Milo can be misconstrued as "Fake News" because he is a poster boy of the Alt-Right.

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jwhop
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posted February 21, 2017 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop        Reply w/Quote
Who says Mexico has to physically write a check to pay for the border wall?

For instance, all US aid to Mexico could be withheld to pay for the wall.

All remittances (money transfers, money wires, ect) to Mexico could have a tax or other fee imposed.

Just for instance.

This is not rocket science. How depressing that there are people commenting here who cannot grasp the fact there are lots of ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall...to keep those out whose safety and welfare are really the responsibility of Mexico, central and south America.

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Catalina
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posted February 21, 2017 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Thank you for answering. I asked because i hoped to be educated. No need to slander everyone who questions you, is there? Hmmm?

So far the only suggestion that has been aired by Congress is a 20% sales tax on Mexican goods. This would actually double-dip from US citizens pockets, or force a boycott on Mexican goods (produce being a huge portion of that trade) and wouldn't likely produce the payback intended.. but cause scarcity for the poorest consumers.

Your ideas sound reasonable but, seeing as the taxpayer is basically fronting the costs, how do you think we Taxpayers would be repaid? Why should we trust that we would get a tax rebate or check in the mail when the President is famous for stiffing people when he no longer needs them?

I saw a program about Castro/Cuba the other day. Remember when the US decided to starve them into submission by boycotting Cuban products? Who came along and made our gesture useless by buying up everything Cuba had to sell?

If we severed all aid to Mexico what do you think they would do in return? Sit there sucking their thumbs? And even if it were directly transferred to us it would come to about a dollar per person per year and take about 60 years to recoup... No thanks

However, you said "lots".. thats two suggestions..

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Catalina
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posted February 21, 2017 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Then there is this other little issue .. who owns the land on the border? This piece is about the Dakota pipelines... but also the Mexican border-crossing tribes have their own objections

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/trump-thumbs-his-nose-at-tribal-sovereignty/

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posted February 21, 2017 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
IQ
Though your option would "make Mexico pay" it would not even begin to repay the Americans whose taxes will supposedly build the wall in the first place. It would probly create a trade war as well, again on the backs of Americans...

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posted February 21, 2017 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall        Reply w/Quote
As stated, the billions saved in illegal immigration costs alone will more than pay for the wall in a couple of years, as well as pay for its support. But we have other ways to ensure that Mexico reimburses us.

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jwhop
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posted February 21, 2017 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop        Reply w/Quote
Randall is right. The financial costs of illegal aliens in the US would pay for the cost of the wall many times over.

As for a border tax on goods produced in Mexico by American companies, that wouldn't hit the Mexican government and, as you say, would hit American consumers. I don't think that's being considered as a way to make Mexico pay the cost of constructing the wall.

It is under consideration as a way to equalize the tax inequalities experienced by American companies, but I don't have the details.

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Catalina
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posted February 21, 2017 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
Most illegal immigrants use someone's SS # - if they're not then their employers are liable for huge fines if anyone bothered to prosecute them! - in other words they pay taxes that will never benefit them, but the person whose# they use... meanwhile they rent, buy food and gas, and pay into the economy. Do they send some home? Indeed..Americans who travel to mexico also take American dollars out and no one considers that a drain, do they?

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posted February 21, 2017 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
And how much are these massive round up raids/roadblocks/deportation deployments costing?

Is it really worth the 8mpingement on our own liberties, checkpoints becoming a daily hazard, stop and search whomever, commandeering cellphones and scanning private conversations.. this is all of us giving up significant liberties, not just "illegals"..

You like the idea of uniforms and search parties everywhere? Can you spell martial law?

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jwhop
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posted February 22, 2017 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop        Reply w/Quote
Massive illegal alien roundups? How much is that costing?

Gee, less than 700 arrested so far...out of 950,000 who are still walking around America with criminal convictions or current deportment orders....during the Obama malfeasance.

So, how about you tell me. How much has it already cost American taxpayers to catch, indict, prosecute, convict and imprison illegal alien criminals...so far?

Just so you know, the cost of providing services to illegal aliens in the United States is estimated at almost $160 BILLION every single YEAR.

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Catalina
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posted February 22, 2017 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina        Reply w/Quote
One week, jwhop. And you are pretending Obama didn't deport more people than any one in recent history?

What SERVICES are you calculating for there, please?

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