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Randall
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posted March 07, 2017 02:02 PM
  
Trumpcare version 1 is out. It's only 130 pages, and you can read it on-line. No doubt, some changes will be made before the final draft is voted on. We don't have to "Pass it to see what's in it" like Loony Peloosy said about Obamacare!  It does away with all taxes and mandates. It's about CHOICE. Choice of your doctor, choice of your plan, and even the choice NOT to obtain health insurance (without penalty), if that is what you wish. What crashed Obamacare is lack of competition. Being able to purchase health insurance across state lines will drive down the costs. That's capitalism, folks! Oh, and bids are now being taken for the wall. More promises soon to follow... IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 07, 2017 02:54 PM
And millions will die without health care. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 07, 2017 04:01 PM
Oh, you mean like the millions of forgotten Americans who lost coverage and plans/doctors they liked due to Obamacare? Fear-mongering is a favored tool of the Dems. I guess you didn't get the memo, but children can stay on their parents's plan till age 26, and you can't be denied coverage based on pre-existing conditions. The big difference with TrumpCare is prices are going to drop due to competition, which is a concept socialists don't understand.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 07, 2017 04:19 PM
TrumpCare?
The bill would eliminate the individual mandate, which requires Americans to have health insurance or pay a fine; cut the number of people insured under Medicaid; and allow insurance companies to charge the elderly up to five times more than the young. It would require insurers to cover so-called pre-existing conditions, but would allow them to add a 30% surcharge to premiums if people go without insurance for too long.
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jwhop
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posted March 07, 2017 04:23 PM
"Millions will die"Someone's been swilling the lunatic Socialist Kool-Aid. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 07, 2017 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"Millions will die"Someone's been swilling the lunatic Socialist Kool-Aid.
Oh, give it a rest. No, I haven't. You, on the other hand, believe everything that comes out of the mouth of the pathological liar that you elected. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 07, 2017 06:15 PM
Got links?IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 07, 2017 07:06 PM
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/03/07/republicans-speak-out-against-house-gop-obamacare-replacement/21875530/ IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 07, 2017 10:30 PM
This is just phase 1 of 3. It's just the budget reconciliation portion. Phase 2 will involve looking at thousands of regulations to see if there's anything worth saving in there. Phase 3 will be the parts that lower the costs of healthcare, such as crossing state lines. The idea is to create tax fairness. If your employer provides your insurance, you get tax benefits. TrumpCare will allow individuals similar tax savings.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 07, 2017 10:53 PM
You can't choose a health care plan, if you can't afford one. And trump supporters don't give a crap. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 07, 2017 10:58 PM
You might be surprised, but you will still complain regardless. All the hysterics from the left won't matter, because voters won't care; if Trump gets us a 4% GDP and keeps his promises, he will win reelection.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted March 07, 2017 11:35 PM
Hysterics? What about those from your groper-in-chief? IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 08, 2017 12:06 AM
No comparison. Not even close. You probably don't see how hysterical the news on the left is, because you are mired in it yourself. You agree with the rants, so you don't see how irrational they are.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 09, 2017 06:38 PM
http://americannewsx.com/hot-off-the-press/joe-kennedy-response-act-mercy-healthcare-bill/ IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 09, 2017 06:39 PM
The man has a bad case of hour of the wolf ranting, Randall. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 09, 2017 08:28 PM
http://www.learnprogress.org/aarp-president-warning-senior/ IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted March 14, 2017 10:57 AM
It appears his promises are in air quotes too  The Congressional Budget Office released this
rundown of the major findings: quote:
•14 million more people would be uninsured under the law in 2018, increasing to 24 million by 2026. The CBO projected that as many as 14 million more Americans would be without health insurance under the AHCA in 2018. If possible changes to Medicaid were to go into effect, this number would increase to 24 million by 2026, the CBO projected."The reductions in insurance coverage between 2018 and 2026 would stem in large part from changes in Medicaid enrollment — because some states would discontinue their expansion of eligibility, some states that would have expanded eligibility in the future would choose not to do so, and per-enrollee spending in the program would be capped," the report said. "In 2026, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law."
•7 million fewer people would get insurance through their employer by 2026. The report estimated that without the ACA's penalties associated with not having insurance, fewer Americans would sign up for coverage through their workplaces. Thus 2 million fewer people would choose not to have insurance in 2020, increasing to 7 million by 2026.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cbo-congressional-budget-office-score-ahca-trumpcare-2017-3 Who knew health care could be so hard says Trump.
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Randall
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posted March 14, 2017 12:50 PM
1. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. They were VASTLY incorrect about Obamacare. They have lost all credibility, if they ever had any to begin with.2. This is just the budget reconciliation end of the repeal. Much of Trumpcare would not go into reconciliation. The best parts will be in phase 3. 3. Some will definitely lose their healthcare--the ones who were forced into buying policies they will never be able to use unless they get hit by a bus. They will be able to stop paying on those crappy, expensive, worthless policies and obtain a much better low cost one in a super competitive market. Or they can not buy any at all--their choice. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 14, 2017 12:54 PM
And most people already had insurance through their employer before Obamacare. Nothing will change with them, except the price will significantly lower for the employers. What Obanacare did was create a huge amount of a part-time labor force, which now can become full-time workers once again instead of having to work two or three part-time jobs.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 14, 2017 01:01 PM
While their numbers are wrong, they are actually correct in saying fewer people would have insurance BY CHOICE. Healthy people were forced into obtaining health insurance they didn't want and would never be able to use even if they needed it. Even if they had Medicare and Medicare Supplemental and thus were 100% insured, they were still forced into buying health insurance or face being terminated, and then to find that they can no longer get cheap medicine, "because they now have health insurance." My mom's neighbor had his medicine go from $4.00 a month (most of them free) to $300 due to insurance he was forced to buy when he already was 100% covered by Medicare. So, yeah, these people will "lose their coverage," thank God!IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted March 14, 2017 01:12 PM
The Medicade cutback is expected. The cost increase for age 64 and over is horiffic. How can you begin to defend it? quote:
The CBO's estimate makes clear that Trumpcare will cause serious harm to millions of American families," a statement from Schumer said. "Tens of millions will lose their coverage, and millions more, particularly seniors, will have to pay more for healthcare.
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Randall:And most people already had insurance through their employer before Obamacare. Nothing will change with them, except the price will significantly lower for the employers
Really? quote:
"Part of that net reduction in employment-based coverage would occur because fewer employees would take up the offer of such coverage in the absence of the individual mandate penalties," the report said. "In addition, CBO and [the Joint Committee on Taxation] expect that, over time, fewer employers would offer health insurance to their workers."
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Randall
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posted March 14, 2017 01:22 PM
Schumer is your source? Really?  You must be a diehard Democrat to quote that nut job! Will you quote Peloosy next? Or that lying fake Native American, Warpath Warren? These are the idiots who said we have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it! No one is losing insurance who doesn't WANT to lose it. If they don't want it, they shouldn't be forced to get it. Period. And repeal isn't possible, because Democrats won't vote for anything. So, it has to be gutted. To say that employers who offered it before Obamacare will now stop offering it is sheer insanity. Nothing will have changed. People who didn't want it from their employer before Obamacare didn't buy it then either. If anything, MORE employers will offer it now or in a year or two, as prices drop. Before Obamacare was even a thought on a mosquito's butt, many employers offered healthcare, and some enployees chose not to take advantage of it. Obamacare intervened and caused premiums to skyrocket, and forced employees to purchase insurance they could never use (unsurance). Now, things can go back to normal pre-Obamacare days--except that the price and deductibles lower. More employers will offer insurance, not less. Economics 101. Just because someone has insurance doesn't mean they can ever use it! Some exchanges have only one insurer. By creating competition, prices and premiums will naturally spiral downward.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 14, 2017 01:40 PM
And I thought you didn't like the mandate/fine? You like it all of a sudden now? Socialized medicine didn't work. Epic failure. Competition is the only way to drive down costs. Just buying insurance across state lines alone will make insurance affordable with low deductibles, not to mention all the other ideas.IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted March 14, 2017 01:42 PM
Please, I beg of you, don't ever quote Schumer and his PFA stats (Plucked From Air).IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted March 14, 2017 01:48 PM
Promises shmomises
http://www.vox.com/2017/3/13/14914812/trump-ahca-medicaid-cuts Long before even Obamacare people shopped around for jobs with Benefits.. ie insurance and savings plans. They didnt opt in because of the mandates But where is the ambiguousness in "no cuts to medicare, medicaid, social security" or "everbody will be taken care of"? Apparently those who need it most are expendable and not part of "Everybody" IP: Logged |
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