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jwhop
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posted August 05, 2017 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When they work.

The operative word there is when.

As to when, there's generations of Americans who have never worked. Of course, some of those non-working Americans think marching in the streets and protesting America is a real job.

Time for "WORKFARE".

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posted August 05, 2017 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh puhleez. Do you know how long max cash benefits last? We already have "workfare"

There is no system that can't be gamed.. but even prisoners work for their keep

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jwhop
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posted August 05, 2017 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Oh puhleez. Do you know how long max cash benefits last? We already have "workfare"

There is no system that can't be gamed.. but even prisoners work for their keep



As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't even know the right questions to ask, let alone the answers.

Only 4 or 5 states have workfare requirements. Kansas, Florida, North Carolina and Maine. Wisconsin is working on workfare.

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posted August 06, 2017 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

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posted August 06, 2017 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most people receiving Benefits are working. Your fantasy of generations of non workers is cousin to the monster under your bed. At the 4% unemployment you've been boasting for DT about.. your simultaneous claims that half thr country are just lazy suckers off your back...rubbish

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jwhop
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posted August 06, 2017 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Catalina:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

The Marxist Messiah, Obama gutted Workfare rules.

The harder you dig, the deeper the pit you dig for yourself. Do you ever manage to get anything right?

Obama kills welfare reform
Dick Morris
07/17/12

Determined to destroy Bill Clinton’s signature achievement, President Obama’s administration has opened a loophole in the 1996 welfare reform legislation big enough to make the law ineffective. Its work requirement — the central feature of the legislation — has been diluted beyond recognition by the bureaucrats at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

On Thursday of last week, HHS issued regulations that modified — gutted — the work requirement. Its new regulations allow the states to substitute education programs for work to get welfare benefits. The regs say that “vocational educational training or job search/readiness programs” “count as well” in meeting the basic condition that recipients work in order to receive welfare benefits..........
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/238501-obama-kills-welfare-reform

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posted August 06, 2017 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Its new regulations allow the states to substitute education programs for work to get welfare benefits. The regs say that “vocational educational training or job search/readiness programs” “count as well” in meeting the basic condition that recipients work in order to receive welfare benefits..........No job required.

That`s how it works in Michigan. Keep signing on these programs and keep getting benefits.

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posted August 06, 2017 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is still a limit to how long you can receive.. and since many jobs have been lost due to changing technology training is about the only way for some people to work again. And remember the continuing falling rate of unemployment... our are you going too claim the Trump admin is fudging the numbers?

Sorry but none of this equals "generations of non workers"

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posted August 06, 2017 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was always at the States discretion how to execute and how much to use these programs. It still is

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posted August 07, 2017 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Marxist Messiah Obama introduced a scam into the system to get around workfare rules.

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posted August 08, 2017 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And how many generations avoided working since then? Hmm? 5 yrs doesn't make room for one generation let alone many.

Sorry but training IS work. Many jobs train employees and demand regular training upgrades to continue working for them. Many people need new skills to get back in the workplace. And in case you hadn't noticed the unemployment rate has been going down for years. Its still nudging down but not because of any of the programs DT hasn't been able to implement.

And I'll repeat for those who pretend they cant hear.. the vast majority off people on benefits are already working

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posted August 08, 2017 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong again!

"And I'll repeat for those who pretend they cant hear.. the vast majority off people on benefits are already working

Latest statistic from the Bureau of Labor is that 153,000,000 Americans are working, a record high number. 153,000,000 out of 320,000,000 Americans, less than half.

Obviously, the vast majority off people on benefits are already working nonsense is NOT TRUE.

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posted August 08, 2017 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you serious? Do you actuality think that statistic answers my ststement in some way shape or form? Or are you just playing thick for the sake of it?


The 94,213,000 million people counted as not participating in the labor force last month includes millions of baby boomer retirees, students, the disabled, homemakers and others who do not work for various reasons.
... and that's omitting children too... who constitute about 15% of the population.

But none of the above has anything to do with who does or doesn't receive benefits. Red herring award to you 😜

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posted August 08, 2017 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reason and logic requires rational people to contemplate exactly whom is supporting those...320,000,000 minus 194,000,000 equals 126,000,000...who are not working.

Take a wild guess who the supporting cast is for those people? If you said taxpayers, give yourself a red star.

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posted August 08, 2017 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Factproof math +poor addition + faulty percentage = major fail.

Cheer up Grinch

Youre not paying for homemakers, students or retirees. Disability is calculated from SS contributions. SS is not on your back.

94+48=142 (millions).

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posted September 18, 2017 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing motivates Congress like a deadline. Senate Republicans are whipping votes and moving things around the Senate calendar to make room for one last push--a bill known as “Graham-Cassidy”-and they are as close as they’ve ever been to passing it.

The deadline? Sept. 30

The legislative vehicle that Republicans were trying to use for TrumpCare will expire on that date.

What do you need to do?

One of them is-
http://www.trumpcareten.org/

Once again, it’s up to you to kill TrumpCare. Light up the phone lines, schedule in-district office events, find your Senators and tell them you want them to oppose TrumpCare. This is all hands on deck. Don't see your state? No problem.
http://www.trumpcareten.org/other

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posted September 18, 2017 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TWO NEW BUT DAMAGING APPROACHES THIS BILL WOULD TAKE:
1.Block Grants and Cuts the Federal Money Given to States
The proposal would take all of the money going out the door to help people afford and access insurance and bundle it into one “block grant” given to states. This “block grant” includes money for the Medicaid expansion and marketplace subsidies while also deeply cutting the total amount of money. Then, it only allows the block grants to grow at 2%, a far slower growth rate than medical costs grow. And to top it all off, there is virtually no accountability for how this money is spent.
2.Redistributes this block grant to favor red states that did not expand access and coverage for their residents by punishing states that did:
This provision is about politics not policy. Senator Cassidy himself said: “Let a blue state do a blue thing and a red state such as mine take a different, conservative approach.” This is not what would happen under his bill. Graham-Cassidy literally takes money from states that expanded Medicaid and gives it to states that did not. There are other factors in the Graham-Cassidy formula that then tilt the limited funds toward red states (such as distributing some of the block grant based on population density) in order to try to appease states like West Virginia whose Senators are key swing votes.


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posted September 18, 2017 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Graham-Cassidy is strikingly similar to earlier TrumpCare bills. While we have not seen final details, we know it still destroys Medicaid as we know it by fundamentally and permanently transforming the program into a per-capita cap.

Remember, limiting how much federal money states have to spend on Medicaid limits coverage, access, and states’ options when more people need coverage. For example, if we had a per-capita cap system now and Hurricane Harvey hit, Texas might be out of federal Medicaid money for the year. And they’d be out of luck if more people need Medicaid because of the hurricane damages.

The bill also still undermines protections for people with pre-existing conditions and people who need treatment for opioid abuse by allowing states to waive essential health benefits.

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posted September 22, 2017 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are slowly releasing info on the lindsay-Graham aca.

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posted September 22, 2017 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fake fear mongering. States are required to accept pre-existing conditions.

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posted September 22, 2017 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ fake>?
Fearmongering>?

The AHCA would allow states to "opt out" of the pre-existing condition protections in Obamacare and create high-risk pools instead. High-risk pools are nothing new: Prior to Obamacare, 35 states and the federal government had high-risk pools, which grouped "uninsurable" people with pre-existing conditions together and allowed them to purchase insurance from a separate market, according to Kaiser Health News.

In theory, these plans were subsidized by fees to insurance companies and taxes to keep premiums low and support the sickest Americans. In reality, however, insurers were still allowed to raise prices, which made premiums significantly higher for those in high-risk pools than for those not in high-risk pools. The pools were also notoriously expensive and underfunded: In 2010 alone, the 35 state pools incurred about $2.4 billion in total costs to cover just 221,879 people — less 1 percent of the uninsured people in those states, according to The Commonwealth Fund.

These issues are likely to rear their ugly heads again if the AHCA is passed in its current form. In fact, premiums could cost as much as $25,700 per year for people in high-risk pools, according to the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP).


Get a clue

http://www.drozthegoodlife.com/health-articles/health-conditions/news/a4030/pre-existing-condition-list-ahca/

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posted September 22, 2017 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/graham-cassidy-health-care-bill-what-you-need-to-know/

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posted September 22, 2017 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The bill absolutely keeps pre-existing conditions. A state can't just waive the requirement as Dems assert. That's fake news on steroids. A state can only request a waiver if they can prove that the state will “maintain access to adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions.” This gives power back to the states to allow them to solve their own crises in ways best suited for their own citizens.

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posted September 23, 2017 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you've read it? Congrats. Maybe you Can tell us what the several repubs are complaining about then?

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posted September 23, 2017 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you repeat a lie long enough and loud enough...

President Trump has been clear that he will not sign a bill without pre-existing conditions safeguards.

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