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Topic: The most unpopular bill in three decades
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Node
Knowflake Posts: 2924
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 13, 2017 10:18 AM
  
 http://www.axios.com/unpopular-health-care-bill-2454397857.html IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 10785
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posted July 17, 2017 09:16 PM
I've just heard that two more republicans said they couldn't support the bill, and that their missing votes will kill it. IP: Logged |
Blind writer
Knowflake Posts: 647
From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted July 18, 2017 01:45 PM
It could have a lot to do with the fact that a significant portion of the people who voted for the Republicans actually don't want a replacement, and that doesn't mean they suddenly had a change of heart about Obamacare. They voted in their representatives to repeal, not replace it.I imagine it's hard for our congressmen to field all the clamoring of their constituents, with no clear opinion about how to proceed coming forward. You can see the waffling opinions in the feeds of Trump's Facebook posts about waiting on Congress' work with pen at the ready. Many are saying to just repeal it and phase it out over a couple of years to give the free market time to accommodate. Some are skeptical, but willing to give it a try. Others reserve their judgment until they have more information. Then there are a few who think anything is better than Obamacare. A minority think a minor tweak to the existing system would be fine, but I think they fail to realize that as soon as the Democrat majority inevitably returns, they'll just put it right back the way it was. Of course, there're always the smattering of never-Trumpers, who will fight against anything, which is ridiculous, because this is a product of Congress, not Trump. I'm not a fan of either Obamacare or any of the proposed changes. Government needs to step back and away from our healthcare, because they only make things worse when they try and fiddle with it. Let me negotiate with several competing companies to determine what I want and what I can actually afford. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2924
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
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posted July 18, 2017 03:10 PM
^So, you think the free market system was doing us well. IP: Logged |
Blind writer
Knowflake Posts: 647
From: Texas, USA
Registered: May 2012
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posted July 18, 2017 04:13 PM
For most people, it did a much better job for less cost, yes. Instead of overhauling the entire healthcare system like they did, they should have focused on creating programs to help the much smaller minority of people who needed it (I forget the cite since it's been several months I last saw it, but I believe it was a single digit percentile of the population). The cost of making the Obamacare website alone could have adequately subsidized those needy folks.The insurance industry needs a rehaul, with plans made that can be used across state lines, with adequate coverage for pre-existing conditions, most notably (and commonly) being pregnancy. The cost of medical schooling needs to be addressed, too. But creating a government monopoly over our healthcare is not the answer. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 18, 2017 04:34 PM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-senate-leader-mcconnell-abandons-health-care-bill-1500348064?mod=e2fb Pregnancy/dying/ageing/disabilities/cancer treatments.. the list of people vulnerable is pretty long. The difference in ER crowding since Obamacare is radical indication of how many more peoole are taking care of themselves in more efficient ways. I find it interesting that McConnell and DT are trying to blame Dems for not bombing down the closed doors of the Committee to help work this bill out. And that you suggest the govt should butt out and regulate insurance at the same time. Thay takes a lot of Reconciliation 😉 IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted July 18, 2017 07:32 PM
The people want Obamacare? Let them keep it. Let's just watch the world burn. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Yeah.. the people dont like the alternative.. let them eat cake. Your true colours are showing Randall. EFF the people all hail the Don ConIP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 19, 2017 08:23 AM
The gents own Pubbies denounced trumpcare. Dead on the floor.Seems they do not feel as cold . ------------------
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Randall
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posted July 19, 2017 10:41 AM
My true colors? The people want to keep Obamacare. Let them.IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10372
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 19, 2017 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
My true colors? The people want to keep Obamacare. Let them.
AND, let them also pay for it. Not from subsidies from hard working taxpayers but from their own pockets. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 19, 2017 12:46 PM
Lol. What happened to the all hallowed will of the people? Not so holy when it disagrees with you? You prefer the all powerful 27% King. Do you hear yourselvrs? What part of the Constitution do you actually agree with? IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10372
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted July 19, 2017 02:06 PM
"What part of the Constitution do you actually agree with?"Unlike you, ALL OF IT. There is no constitutional authority for government run or taxpayer subsidized health care. Hey, I have an idea. Why not let one of the principle writers of the US Constitution settle the issue. “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
~James Madison~ IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 19, 2017 03:57 PM
There is no prohibition against the people deciding what is in the interests of the general welfare either. The representatives are supposed to represent not dictate. So when you suggest the people have no say in it.. that the President has the right to decide for everyone..sorry.. no sale. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
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posted July 19, 2017 04:43 PM
As most people who pay attention know, even the writers of the Constitution had different ideas about how it should be implementedIt had been a topic of debate and even argument ever since its writing IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 19, 2017 04:53 PM
Apparently Congress is taking steps to give Charlie Gard permanent residence here.. if he survives i wonder of his parents will be able to support themselves? Is this a function of Congress.. deciding to admit foreign nationals with no visible means of support to make political capital?One of many stories
http://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/charlie-gard-us-citizenship-congress-american-treatment-uk-high-court-appeal-life-support-turn-off-a7848391.html%3famp IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted July 19, 2017 06:19 PM
Where's your outrage with the refugees admitted? But baby killers are so enraged when we don't kill what they deem to be damaged children. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 19, 2017 06:48 PM
That is beyond crass and uncalled for not to mention a total non sequitur. Rude and irrelevant if you preferSince when do we insert individual permissions for residence visas in the Appropriations Bill? This story is a bit inaccurate in any case.. the amendment hasn't been passed yet from what other stories say. If time is of the essence it seems a slow and superficial way of dealing with his predicament THE INS COULD PROVIDE THEM WITH A VISA without Congress intervention. The amendment pictured only gives them permission to apply for a residence visa.. which they could do anyway.. they're English! . the whole thing is a political stunt and doesn't belong in any appropriation bill IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 10785
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posted July 19, 2017 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Where's your outrage with the refugees admitted? But baby killers are so enraged when we don't kill what they deem to be damaged children.
Baby killers? IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2656
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 19, 2017 07:35 PM
Once upon a time, salt was expensive because it was the only method to keep meat.
Health should have no cost or simply to pay for the research IMOIP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2924
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2017 11:26 PM
Team Trump Used Obamacare Money to Run PR Effort Against ItThe Trump administration requested $574 million from the Department of Health and Human Services' “consumer information and outreach” budget, which is supposed to be used for advertising the ACA and encouraging enrollment. Instead, they bought social media ads and produced more than 130 videos designed to damage public opinion of Obamacare.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-used-obamacare-money-to-run-ads-against-it Trump is threatening to gut the Obamacare markets, repeatedly telling aides and advisers that he wants to end the subsidy payments. The deadline for sending out the monthly Affordable Care Act subsidies to health plans is Thursday. Trump has the discretion to decide unilaterally whether the payments continue while a lawsuit House Republicans won in 2014 is being appealed.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/18/trump-obamacare-markets-subsidies-cut-240684
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10372
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2017 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
There is no prohibition against the people deciding what is in the interests of the general welfare either. The representatives are supposed to represent not dictate. So when you suggest the people have no say in it.. that the President has the right to decide for everyone..sorry.. no sale.
The General Welfare Clause is not found anywhere in the body of the US Constitution. It's in the Preamble and it doesn't mean "welfare freebies" as leftists like to pretend. It refers to the "General Welfare of the United States of America". IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 22, 2017 01:04 PM
You're so hung up on the fictitious "freebies" and the words leftist and socialist its warped your ability to see straight. Nothing i can do about that I'm afraid. Talking tough and calling names doesn't make you right. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10372
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2017 02:35 PM
My eyesight is 20/15.Perhaps it's you who should wipe the leftist crap out of your eyes long enough to see facts before popping off about subjects you know nothing about. Like the US Constitution...for instance. Oh, one more thing. Those "freebies" are in no way fictitious! IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 5030
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 05, 2017 02:58 PM
When people work they pay a good portion of their wages to the govt. When they are out of work they get some of thst back. There is nothing "free" about benefits. If another crash came tomorrow and you were wiped out you would be lucky to have the safety net you have paid into to cover your stingy arse. It wouldn't keep you in the style you're accustomed to perhaps, but it would keep you off thr streets for awhile.And when it helps others it keeps them from camping on your doorstep begging. IP: Logged |
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