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Topic: McCain in the Senate
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teasel
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posted July 30, 2017 04:21 PM
  
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Originally posted by jwhop:
It's time for McCain The RINO.."Republican In Name Only, to retire. Long past time actually.Time for the republican governor of Arizona to then appoint a real conservative to represent conservatives voters in Arizona.
I don't have the energy for you today. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted July 30, 2017 06:57 PM
"Yeah what a turd calling for actual governance by the rules"What rules would those be? IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
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posted July 30, 2017 06:58 PM
"I don't have the energy for you today."Tomorrow or the next day won't be any better. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 30, 2017 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
"I don't have the energy for you today."Tomorrow or the next day won't be any better.
Actually it will, but thanks for whatever this was supposed to be. I said today, and for a reason. Your lack of empathy shows itself. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 30, 2017 08:05 PM
Why is it, jwhop, that you think only your small portion of the public should be represented Everywhere? If McCain were fit and wanted to run again he would likely be elected again despite the new push to rob the voters of choice of senators. That will take an amendment that isn't going to happen. There are many liberals and moderates in AZ. You sound like you are in favour of taking the selection of senators out of the hands of the voters.. are you? IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
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posted July 30, 2017 08:10 PM
The rules that make room for governance by all of Congress not just the majority party madeira. Not secret bills passed by blind vote of blindly party-loyal stooges.IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted July 31, 2017 08:58 AM
Excuse me but Arizona is a conservative voting state. Not a Marxist, Socialist Progressive voting state.Donald J. Trump
Republican
1,252,401 48.1% 11 Hillary Clinton
Democrat
1,161,167 44.6% (0)
Gary Johnson
Libertarian
106,327 4.1% (0) Others
Independent
50,417 1.9% (0) Jill Stein
Green
34,345 1.3% (0)
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teasel
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posted July 31, 2017 10:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Excuse me but Arizona is a conservative voting state. Not a Marxist, Socialist Progressive voting state.[b]Donald J. Trump
Republican
1,252,401 48.1% 11 Hillary Clinton
Democrat
1,161,167 44.6% (0)
Gary Johnson
Libertarian
106,327 4.1% (0) Others
Independent
50,417 1.9% (0) Jill Stein
Green
34,345 1.3% (0)
[/B]
Yet, look how many voted for Hillary, and for Jill Stein (Green Party!). IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted July 31, 2017 01:18 PM
If you added Stein and "OTHERS" to Hillary The Corrupt's vote, Trump still wins.  Hard to break the delusional thinking habit. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 31, 2017 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
If you added Stein and "OTHERS" to Hillary The Corrupt's vote, Trump still wins. Hard to break the delusional thinking habit.
Not by much. Arizona isn't owned by Republicans, just as this country isn't.
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 31, 2017 01:54 PM
There are 6 million people in Arizona. Trump fielded 90k more than HRC.. actually very close to the number who voted for "Stein and others" and less than voted for Johnson.Johnson was a protest vote for a lot of people. As in the rest of the country many didn't vote at all, finding the choice ludicrous. None of which defines AZ .. who have voted for McCain how many times? As your politcal soulmates. Anyway when did you stop moaning about the Tyranny of the Majority? IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 31, 2017 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Hard to break the delusional thinking habit.
I know, but you'll get there eventually. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 31, 2017 02:04 PM
And i love how you want to take the choice of senators away from the voters and give it to the Govnor.. do you think gerrymandering is firm enough to bring in an amendment?IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
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posted August 01, 2017 02:38 PM
From the other AZ senator
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442 IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
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posted August 01, 2017 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
Not by much. Arizona isn't owned by Republicans, just as this country isn't.
Resign yourself to the fact. Trump won Arizona
Hillary The Corrupt lost Arizona
Trump is President
Hillary The Corrupt is NOT IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted August 01, 2017 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
The rules that make room for governance by all of Congress not just the majority party madeira. Not secret bills passed by blind vote of blindly party-loyal stooges.
You must be in one of your delusional stages. ObamaCare was passed without a single republican vote in the House and without a single republican vote in the Senate.
Further, ObamaCare was a 2700 page bill handed out to Senators with only a few hours before the vote...just before midnight on Christmas Eve. So much for your majority not having the authority to pass legislation. Now, tell me about your "Secret Bill" conspiracy. IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 2838
From: 2,015 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 01, 2017 03:10 PM
^@ the politico post by cat quote:
I’ve been sympathetic to this impulse to denial, as one doesn’t ever want to believe that the government of the United States has been made dysfunctional at the highest levels, especially by the actions of one’s own party. Michael Gerson, a conservative columnist and former senior adviser to President George W. Bush, wrote, four months into the new presidency, “The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased,” and conservative institutions “with the blessings of a president … have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion.”
It's telling that the right and the alt right
have a license to disenfranchisement. We are so beleaguered! White, moneyed, entitled. Yes they are so embittered by the mere election of a black democrat _ this led them to put all constraints on to: any policy changes any
reforms ...to be blocked- PERIOD.
Because he is a Marxist? a Messiah? Erm no he was black and democrat.  PERIOD
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teasel
Knowflake Posts: 10422
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posted August 01, 2017 03:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jwhop:
Resign yourself to the fact.Trump won Arizona
Hillary The Corrupt lost Arizona
Trump is President
Hillary The Corrupt is NOT
Resign yourself to the fact that you and other pubbies do not own this country. You don't even own one State. IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
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posted August 01, 2017 11:34 PM
Resign yourself to the fact Hillary The Corrupt is NOT President of the United States and never will be.IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 01, 2017 11:50 PM
No one cares jwhop. Its you who are bamboozled into thinking criticism of Trump has anything to do with her. Just as you think shes the darling of the left. Bunk sold to you by your preferred purveyors of fake news.And your fairy tale version of the ACA process.. been debunked mate. I Don't recall you Ever resigning yourself to Obama. Bye for now IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
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posted August 02, 2017 12:44 PM
"Not secret bills passed by blind vote of blindly party-loyal stooges."Now, tell us about your "Secret Bill" conspiracy! Ummm, who said this? We have to pass this bill so we can find out what's in it.  IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 02, 2017 02:53 PM
You seen to have forgotten the months of bipartisan negotiations on the ACA.THE HOUSE VERSION PASSED IN SEPTEMBER
THE SENATE MADE ONE AMENDMENT There was a filibuster which delayed voting in the Senate if you remember? Was that Dems?? Hmm? But the actual bill passed in March 2010 Please tell me where in this process anyone was shut out of negotiations or pushed for time to learn what was in the bill?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 10109
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 02, 2017 11:35 PM
"THE SENATE MADE ONE AMENDMENT"Bullshiiite! The Senate did not amend the House bill. ObamaCare was passed under rules of reconciliation. Under reconciliation, the House and Senate Bills must be IDENTICAL. That's the only way for a bill like this to pass with only a bare majority vote in the Senate. AND, no one read the 2700 page piece of crap.
AND, Nancy PeeLousy made her absurd statement...We have to pass this bill to find out what's in it. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 03, 2017 01:53 AM
They had plenty of time to read it dearie. It took from november to xmas to march for it to pass. Repubs complained about its DASTARDLY contents 😉Of course the "socialist" mandate.. first put forward by republicans and Heritage.. and the devision to stonewall it in lockstep made it pointless to bother reading it.. but..erm... what on earth were they arguing about if they didn't know what was in it? The stories cancel each other out. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 4632
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 03, 2017 01:56 AM
If your claim that it was identical is true then all the less excuse. The bill passed the house in November and the final vote 4 MONTHS later. How long does it take you to read 2700 pages when your work demands it? That's a whopping 23 pp a day. But i think you are wrong. And there was plenry of Repub input in the drafting of thr bill.. just not in voting on it 🤣🤣
Known as the "House bill", HR 3962 was the House of Representatives' chief legislative proposal during the health reform debate. On December 24, 2009, the Senate passed an alternative health care bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590).[2] In 2010, the House abandoned its reform bill in favor of amending the Senate bill (via the reconciliation process) in the form of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act IP: Logged |
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