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iQ
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posted October 28, 2017 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html

Is this Fake News?

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posted October 28, 2017 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has been confirmed by more than one source! At least one indictment is confirmed by the Washington DC grand jury, but I have read that the Virginia grand jury might also hand out indictments. The fact that the DC grand jury is definitely handing out an indictment is interesting, because Paul Manafort and Mike Flynn are the most likely to go down first, but I thought they were going to be charged through the Virginia grand jury. I have a feeling it’s going to be several people getting arrested on Monday.

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posted October 28, 2017 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It’s Mueller Time!

For those of us that cannot stand Trump and all of his corrupt cronies....enjoy!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E

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posted October 28, 2017 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, how does CNN know there are indictment(s) handed down by a DC Grand Jury.

Grand Jury deliberations are supposed to be secret so anyone leaking information to the press...including Mueller and/or his utterly corrupt..so called investigators have most probably broken federal law by doing so.

Rule 6. The Grand Jury

(2) Secrecy.

(A) No obligation of secrecy may be imposed on any person except in accordance with Rule 6(e)(2)(B).

(B) Unless these rules provide otherwise, the following persons must not disclose a matter occurring before the grand jury:

(i) a grand juror;

(ii) an interpreter;

(iii) a court reporter;

(iv) an operator of a recording device;

(v) a person who transcribes recorded testimony;

(vi) an attorney for the government; or

(vii) a person to whom disclosure is made under Rule 6(e)(3)(A)(ii) or (iii).
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6

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posted October 29, 2017 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@JWHop
So CNN bluffed ? No charges?
Strangely no tweet from Trump on this matter. He was just bashing Michael Moore's
Broadway show.

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posted October 29, 2017 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this CNN Breaking News is true and Mueller does press charges on Monday, the grapevine is that Flynn will be charged, and possibly Manafort.
To be honest, I do not think this will impact the Trump Presidency too much. Only a vote share shift to Democrats in the 2018 mid term polls will shake up the GOP.

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posted October 29, 2017 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@jwhop nice try at deflection there, but nope. You are conflating the grand jury with actual criminal charges.

Grand jury proceedings are in fact secret, but indictments are not. Once charges are filed they are a matter of public record. In this case they’ve been sealed to either prevent the person or people being charged from fleeing the country, destroying evidence, or possibly to allow them to arrange to turn themselves in without making a spectacle out of the arrest.

It’s ridiculous that Trumpkins are accusing Mueller and Comey of being corrupt, yet completely ignoring the blatant corruption that surrounds Trump and all of his cronies. All those chants of “Lock her up!!!” during the campaign are going to come back to haunt them. Ironically Mike Flynn started that chant. He was literally on the payroll of the Turkish government and plotting to kidnap and deliver a Turkish dissident to them. And let’s not forget his dinner with Putin and Jill Stein in Russia in December of 2015. Trump did not want to fire him, despite being warned about Flynn. He even wanted to rehire Flynn. Trump supporters don’t care about that. It’s pathetic, anything to protect their Dear Leader.

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posted October 29, 2017 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, it could be anybody. Remember the Whitewater investigation?

Anyhow, it is true and we should see tomorrow.

For those who prefer Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/28/mueller-russia-probe-reportedly-nets-first-charges.html

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posted October 29, 2017 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A former US Attorney...with lots of time in front of Federal Grand Juries. Save your "deflection" bullshiite for the tourists.

Christie: Leak of Reported Indictment in Russia Probe ‘Could Be a Crime’
Pam Key
29 Oct 2017


Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” while discussing a potential indictment coming in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe, Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) said the leak to the media could be a crime.

Christie said, “First off, it’s supposed to be kept a secret … There are very strict criminal laws about disclosing grand jury information. Now, depending on who disclosed this to CNN, it could be a crime.”

He added, “As a prosecutor, I can tell you, that was the thing that we emphasized the most with our prosecutors and our agents was, ‘Let me tell you, something, we will prosecute you if we find out you leaked this stuff. Because we have to have, the public have confidence in the fact that the grand jury process is secret and as a result fair. If you’re leaking stuff out of a grand jury, which happens, you shouldn’t be doing that. Again, we don’t know who leaked it to CNN. It would be a crime if prosecutors or agents leaked it.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/29/christie-leak-reported-indictment-russia-probe-crime/

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posted October 29, 2017 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bluejay:
@jwhop nice try at deflection there, but nope. You are conflating the grand jury with actual criminal charges.

Grand jury proceedings are in fact secret, but indictments are not. Once charges are filed they are a matter of public record. In this case they’ve been sealed to either prevent the person or people being charged from fleeing the country, destroying evidence, or possibly to allow them to arrange to turn themselves in without making a spectacle out of the arrest.

It’s ridiculous that Trumpkins are accusing Mueller and Comey of being corrupt, yet completely ignoring the blatant corruption that surrounds Trump and all of his cronies. All those chants of “Lock her up!!!” during the campaign are going to come back to haunt them. Ironically Mike Flynn started that chant. He was literally on the payroll of the Turkish government and plotting to kidnap and deliver a Turkish dissident to them. And let’s not forget his dinner with Putin and Jill Stein in Russia in December of 2015. Trump did not want to fire him, despite being warned about Flynn. He even wanted to rehire Flynn. Trump supporters don’t care about that. It’s pathetic, anything to protect their Dear Leader.


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posted October 29, 2017 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christie, the most unpopular governor in the country with a my-God-that-has-to-be-a-typo inducing 69 percent disapproval rating.

Sure, lets listen to Bridgegate Christie.

From breitbart "news" no less.

Bluejay is correct, the fact that indictment[s] have been made is public record. Further info is sealed.

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posted October 29, 2017 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mueller time has gone viral.


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posted October 29, 2017 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Juni

I appreciated reading the comments section of your article. More truth sayers than usual. Holding down the truth fort.

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posted October 29, 2017 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need an independent counsel for Hillary and crew.

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posted October 29, 2017 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, trying to change the subject.

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posted October 29, 2017 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Gee, how does CNN know there are indictment(s) handed down by a DC Grand Jury.

Grand Jury deliberations are supposed to be secret so anyone leaking information to the press...including Mueller and/or his utterly corrupt..so called investigators have most probably broken federal law by doing so.


To paraphrase what you said....

‘The scandal here is not the criminal charges being filed. No it’s the fact that these sealed, unidentifiable charges are known to exist. Mueller and his so called investigators are the real corrupt criminals that have violated federal law.’

This is textbook deflection! So once again, nice try.

It is known that reporters were at the DC federal court, as were many of the key players on Mueller’s team, including prosecutor Andrew Weissmann. Since this news broke late, I believe around 8 or 9 pm eastern time, it’s not a stretch to assume they were the only ones at the court building in deliberations. If any indictments were filed at that late hour, sealed or not, it’s safe to assume that it was in relation to Mueller’s investigation.

Here is an excerpt from the original report from CNN.....

“On Friday, top lawyers who are helping to lead the Mueller probe, including veteran prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, were seen entering the court room at the DC federal court where the grand jury meets to hear testimony in the Russia investigation.

Reporters present saw a flurry of activity at the grand jury room, but officials made no announcements.”

It’s only a presumption on my part, but it’s very possible that no one with inside information had to tip off anyone else for these reporters to be aware of what was happening. It’s pretty obvious in my opinion.

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posted October 29, 2017 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"‘The scandal here is not the criminal charges being filed. No it’s the fact that these sealed, unidentifiable charges are known to exist. Mueller and his so called investigators are the real corrupt criminals that have violated federal law.’"

There has been no trial of anyone accused by Mueller, therefore, there is no scandal there...at least not yet.

On the other hand, it's clear secret deliberations of a federal grand jury have been leaked to the media..CNN. That's a federal crime and a scandal for prosecutors to violate federal laws they're sworn to uphold. There's your scandal.

The fact you and other leftists applaud the violation of US Federal law shows the wide streak of lawlessness running through the leftist lunatic community. The fact you don't like the subject person(s) these lawless tactics were used against is no excuse whatsoever.

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posted October 29, 2017 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We don't know who those people are.. what's to dislike? You continue to misrepresent people because you jwhop, dont like what is being said. Nothing secret has been exposed. For all any of us know the indictments are for Lassie. People talk and speculate. Not against the law

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Well, you and your leftist comrades have been all atwitter about someone...anyone from the Trump campaign being indicted. You don't give a rat's azz who.

On the other hand, you're prepared to cheer lawlessness on the part of federal prosecutors violating Federal law by leaking grand jury deliberations to the leftist lunatic political activists posing as journalists at CNN.

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posted October 30, 2017 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even your beach buddy Christie said:

Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) said the leak to the media could be a crime.

Could

Now why would an attorney parse words?

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posted October 30, 2017 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
@JWHop
So CNN bluffed ? No charges?
Strangely no tweet from Trump on this matter. He was just bashing Michael Moore's
Broadway show.


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posted October 30, 2017 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul Manafort Indicted.
Does not look like "Fake News" to me.

Who is next? Flynn?

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posted October 30, 2017 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Manafort and Gates. 12.. count em, 12 counts against them.

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posted October 30, 2017 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Node:
Even your beach buddy Christie said:

Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) said the leak to the media could be a crime.

[b]Could

Now why would an attorney parse words? [/B]


Since Christie doesn't know who leaked to the leftist imbeciles at CNN, Christie doesn't know if a criminal act occurred. If a prosecutor, a grand juror, the grand jury reporter or anyone associated with Mueller's office leaked, it's a federal crime.

My bet:
The leak was deliberate and came from Mueller or one of his prosecutors and not the building janitor.

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posted October 30, 2017 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ all water under bridgegate.

Indicted / indictment... those are the key words here.

The charges say "and along others"

Who pray tell could others be?!

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