posted November 17, 2018 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

"As usual, President Trump is right and the loony tunes leftists are wrong. In this case, 'dead' wrong." -Whop

This is callous, cruel, and heartless. You should be ashamed. This is not funny.

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As usual, you have your head up your kazoo.

You're the only one using the word funny to describe what's going on in Kalifornia.

What's cruel and callous is taking billions of federal dollars for forest management and letting underbrush grow out of control...until it catches fire and turns plenty of Kalifornia into a raging inferno. Those lunatics in the California Forest Service, the Governor's office and the state legislature have the blood of hundreds...maybe thousands of citizens on their hands.

That's no laughing matter.

posted November 17, 2018 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Armchair experts everywhere. Decades of federal policy and federal management have contributed to the mega fires going on now. As have about 50 other factors that people who know forestry would tell you. Mr Brilcreem is punting responsibility that's partly his. Or maybe his people don't bother his pretty little head about such things hence his sounding off.

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The Kalifornia Intellectual Pygmies still haven't learned the valuable lesson of clearing underbrush.

It's not rocket science and it's not a secret. Proper clearing of underbrush and thinning of trees prevent catastrophic wildfires.

Before Kalifornia was captured by the Eco-Clowns, proper forestry practices prevailed. I know. I lived there and there were fires but they didn't burn down half the state.

“Poor” fire policy major contributor to US wildfires
Gaia Vince

Heavy commercial logging, insufficient brush clearance and a policy of suppressing smaller wildfires are behind the devastating blazes raging in six states across the US, says forest fire experts. And, they say, the problem will get worse....

posted November 18, 2018 11:59 AM            

Im sorry but you find me a rake that can deal with eucalyptus shed. Or a clean forest floor! Finland or wherever, a forest that is kept like a lawn will die. I will be charitable and say DT misunderstood.

But to compare California to Finland.. one has to forget what they are like. The warmest months are at the end of this description of Finland.

http://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/finland

The climate of Finland is characterized by long and cold winters, and by short, mild and moderately rainy summers. Among the Scandinavian countries, Finland is the one with the coldest climate, due to the proximity to Russia. 
Across the country, precipitation is not very abundant, and it ranges from 400 millimeters (15.5 inches) per year in the extreme north-east, to 650 mm (25.5 in) in the east and south, and to 700 mm (27.5 in) in the south-western tip (see Turku); however, it is quite frequent, and well distributed throughout the year. 
The rainiest periods are summer and autumn. In the center-south, generally August is a bit rainier than July. The least rainy (and snowy) period is the one that runs from February to April. In winter, a light snow often falls, which may not even be counted in the statistics (if it does not reach a minimum amount of equivalent rain). 
Finland is largely a flat country. However, in the north there are hills, and in the extreme north-west, on the border with Norway, even a mountain, Halti, 1,324 meters (4,344 feet) high. 

Winter is long and cold throughout the country; it is almost five months long even in Helsinki, which lies in the far south. Here, the temperature remains almost constantly around or below freezing (0 °C or 32 °F) from mid-November to late March. 
As you head north and east, winter gets even colder and longer. The many lakes that are located in Finland are frozen, and sometimes even the sea freezes (more often the Gulf of Bothnia, but sometimes even the port of Helsinki and the eastern part of the Gulf of Finland), and it is necessary to resort to icebreakers to allow maritime traffic to continue. 
During winter, the weather can vary greatly depending on meteorological conditions: when Finland is affected by cold air masses from neighbouring Russia, the temperature drops below -20 °C (-4 °F), while when it is reached by mild winds from the Atlantic Ocean, the temperature is around the freezing point. On colder periods, the temperature can fall as low as -50 °C (-58 °F) in the far north (Lapland). In January 1987, the temperature reached -35 °C (-31 °F) even in the "southern" Helsinki. 
The thaw usually occurs in April, at the beginning of the month in the south of Finland, and at the end of the month in Lapland. In autumn, normally the snow begins to fall in October in Lapland, and in November in the south. 

May and September are two transitional months, with night temperatures around freezing, and the only months with a mild climate are the three summer months, from June to August, when it can even get hot during the day. In this season the vegetation grows rapidly, to take advantage of the brief period of mild weather, while mosquitoes literally invade the landscape. In Lapland, the daytime temperatures during summer resemble those of the rest of Finland, around 20 °C (68 °F), with peaks around 30 °C (86 °F), while nights remain cool or even cold, with minimum temperatures typically below 10 °C (50 °F). 

posted November 18, 2018 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Yes. I wasnt born here and I didn't mean to stay permanently. I have family and i had my reasons for not leaving; its not my first choice for residence but it's grown on me.

I have noticed two things about these fires that are rather odd.

They all the started on Nov 8. Possibly coincidence.. possible clue to origin?

Also many of the pictures i've seen, from Paradise and last year from Santa Rosa, show totally flattened houses, burned out cars, and trees still standing in between them, many still green and obviously not burned.

How does that happen?

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posted November 18, 2018 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
However accidental i am, i live here and your collective magazine -informed assessments don't bear much resemblance to reality.

Environmental activists are not the chief lobbying group here and they don't even agree with each other half the time.

10% unemployment, yes, once upon a time.. when Brown took over from Reagan (after which it went down) and in 2009-12. Currently at <4.5%.. despite the warnings from the right.

I don't understand what "push out state" means but it's over 10% of the population and a huge portion of its economy too.

I belong to a nostalgic local page on fb and it's abundantly clear that things have changed here over the years.. just as they have in most of the world.

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Push out ... Means more are moving out of the state then are moving in. Legally, I mean. The Cali exodus has been ongoing for a good two decades. I live in a very small New England town but have managed to meet, here in town, just this year, two recently immigrated Cali 'refugees', as one called herself. There are three Cali families in a small homeschool co-op of about 30 families my son attends. So I can cite "magazine informed" stats or share anecdotes, whichever you'd like.

I remember the first Cali refugee I met. It was a brown cold NE February and I looked at her like she was absolutely bananas when she told me where she was from. Why would you leave California for this???? I still had that utopian Golden State idea of the place. "Oh yeah it's beautiful", she said, then spent the next hour talking to me about cultural collapse and demographic change and economic failure.

posted November 18, 2018 02:47 PM            

Forest fires are a fact of life. What kind of fires they are and how far they spread are a function of good or bad forestry management.

Now, what is it with leftists? Leftists ignore anyone with expertise and knowledge and opt for any loudmouthed idiot Eco-Clown who comes down the pike.

You've seen what former head of the US Forest Service, Mike Dombeck had to say about underbrush accumulation in forests and the effect this fire fuel source has on forest fires. Yet, you refuse to accept that Governor Moonbeam, Brown, the state legislature and the Eco-Clowns all have their heads up their a$$es when it comes to forest management.

The facts are incontrovertible that if forest fires had to rely on the burning of TREES, they would soon burn themselves out.

Here's President Trump putting the blame directly on the people responsible.

"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!</

And then, there's this:

"Prescribed burns keep forests healthy by burning up the underbrush that accumulates on the forest floor and by thinning trees. Yet for decades the Forest Service has suppressed most fires. According to a California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection executive summary: “Land and fire management have in many cases increased fire hazard. In some shrub types, fire suppression appears to have shifted the fire regime away from more, smaller fires toward fewer, larger fire.”

Once again, President Trump is right and leftist lunatics, including the Eco-Clowns in the Kalifornia Governors office, the Kalifornia Legislature and the Kalifornia Forest Service are wrong. In this case, with more than 70 dead and many more missing, they're dead wrong.

posted November 19, 2018 07:39 AM            

This one is good too http://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/finns-ruthlessly-mock-trumps-claims-take-care-floors-forests/?

Yes maintenance is important. So are rainfall, temps and winds, but climate deniers are invested in denying that climate or even weather have anything to do with it.

Once again if he's such a genius in forestry perhaps he should get his Federal employees to do something different. Federal Policy for many years has contributed to bigger fires too. As has continuing expansion of human habitat into fire areas.. which are more often not in forests at all.

In autumn leaves fall. Even keeping up with a lawn can be hard work. However as you may recall most of the forested north usually had many inches of rain in winter.. not the case this year or last, nor several of those before.

Its amazing how much difference a few drops can make. All that fire cover turns ro damp mulch and bye bye fires.

posted November 19, 2018 01:29 PM            

And the State policy which includes - apart from raking! - much of what critics are saying CA doesn't do.. has been in effect for awhile now. However millions of acres are millions of acres and take time to cover.

I find the suggestion that maximum building in fire areas almost criminally ridiculous. However, logging and management are already in place..
http://fmtf.fire.ca.gov

posted November 19, 2018 05:42 PM            

More BS.

The National Forest Service (federal) manages only about 40% of Kalifornia forests...definitely NOT MOST

"Experts say the forests currently burning have up to 25 times the density of healthy forests, adding to fire risks."

"A 2015 government report said that the federal government oversees over 40% of the state's forests."

"Tom Bonnicksen, a retired forestry expert and fire researcher, told the San Francisco Chronicle that indeed, a lack of forest management was partly to blame for the fires' intense heat and rapid spread.

"There are millions and millions and millions of dollars going into fighting fires," Bonnicksen said, "but there are not millions and millions and millions of dollars going into preventing the fires."

That lack of oversight has left forests with an overabundance of smaller trees and shrubbery, which can be among the first vegetation to fuel a fire, while larger trees take much longer to return.

posted November 20, 2018 10:30 AM            

Make America Rake Again

posted November 20, 2018 11:16 AM            

The Finns are laughing at President Trump?

posted November 20, 2018 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Its a vid of Finns gleefully raking jwhop. Is Finland a marxist socialist progressive country? I didnt know that. But they have a sense of humour.. and they know they don't rake their forest floors, or have long hot summers, or eucalyptus trees... and their president has explained that they don't rake their forests and he never suggested they do

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It's just another idiotic leftist lunatic site.

I don't recall President Trump saying anything about "raking" forests. Don't recall President Trump saying anything about "raking" scrub brush.

But, if you provide a direct quote to that effect from Trump...from a credible source, I'll have a look at it.