posted November 12, 2018 12:31 AM            

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 posted November 10, 2018 08:55 PM             LA Times admits President Trump is right about California's forest fires:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/02/la-times-trump-california-wildfires/

Its interesting that you credit the LAT with this "admission" reported in dailycaller...^^

Forest management has been an ongoing issue here on the actual spot.. as has a long drought. But its a funny fact that much of California isn't actually managed by California.

As has been pointed out by several people

Trump has failed to note that more than half the forested land in California is under federal control, essentially his jurisdiction

posted November 12, 2018 12:43 AM            

BS

Trump didn't threaten to withhold relief funds for citizens. Trump threatened to cut of federal funds to California Forest Service for causing these fires in the first place.

Every rational person in America knows it's necessary to cut and remove underbrush...which is the fuel for fires that keeps them burning and spreading.

posted November 12, 2018 01:42 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Cutting aid to punish people he thinks should do and speak differently is just a punitive insult that helps no one. "Go to your room and think about what a **** up you are and when you're ready to grovel we'll talk"

Quel joke!

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BS

It's clear English is not your first language.

Trump didn't threaten to cut aid to "People".

The Kalifornia Forest Service is not "People".

It's an agency of the state government of Kalifornia. They deserve to have federal aid cuts because of their loony tunes approach to forestry management. Those who insist on maintaining forests in their 'natural state' are the cause of out of control wild fires and the hundreds of deaths which have accompanied them. They and the environmental loony tunes from which they draw their ranks don't give a rat's a$$ about the deaths they caused and will cause into the future.

posted November 12, 2018 04:58 PM            

God bless.

posted November 13, 2018 04:10 AM            

Some GOP Fanatic Scum on Social Media are gleefully gloating at seeing death and destruction in California for booting them out but the State that creates the most elite devices and inventions on Earth will surely find a way out of this mess.

The finances wasted from Federal Taxes on the Bible Belt can surely elevate quality of life of Californians if they became independent, but I am certain the remaining 49 States will never let California go. Too Priceless.

posted November 13, 2018 12:11 PM            

California is made up of people. It is governed by people. It is a hugely diverse region with several different climates, demographics, and different fields of work/ industry.

Half the forests are managed by the Feds. The Woolsey fire has nothing to do with forests.

I am an accidental Californian. I live here because my family live here it is not a place i would have chosen. But as someone who has been familiar with it on a personal experience level since the 60s, when Reagan started disassembling the educational system and much else that was intrinsic to that "jewel in the crown", I find all the armchair judgments to be waaay wide of the mark.

I mentioned kindness because not one person here had acknowledged the fact that tens of thousands of people have lost their homes this week. Real people who voted for and against the current set up, Dems and Repubs and everything else. There is a huge Sovereignty movement here too.

What i have noticed about Californians is they a) would have to be forcibly removed to leave and b) whatever the government looks like to you onlookers, WE will work it out.

Fires, earthquakes, and in normal El Nino years, floods, are just part of the fabric. Warring factions live side by side.

Removing federal aid would be a huge blow but California would find a way. That doesn't alter the fact that threatening to withhold is a punitive pose toward the people who are impacted by that aid, whatever the official designation is. At a time when they are already scrambling to regain their footing. Daddy Don can take his Embrace and take a hike. As long as we are part of the country, he works for us, not the other way around.

posted November 16, 2018 06:46 PM            

I have noticed two things about these fires that are rather odd.

They all the started on Nov 8. Possibly coincidence.. possible clue to origin?

Also many of the pictures i've seen, from Paradise and last year from Santa Rosa, show totally flattened houses, burned out cars, and trees still standing in between them, many still green and obviously not burned.

How does that happen?

posted November 16, 2018 06:58 PM            

Environmental activists are not the chief lobbying group here and they don't even agree with each other half the time.

10% unemployment, yes, once upon a time.. when Brown took over from Reagan (after which it went down) and in 2009-12. Currently at <4.5%.. despite the warnings from the right.

I don't understand what "push out state" means but it's over 10% of the population and a huge portion of its economy too.

posted November 16, 2018 10:11 PM            

the unlikely coalition (environmentalists and loggers) is pushing new programs to thin out forests and clear underbrush. In 2017, California joined with the U.S. Forest Service and other groups in creating the Tahoe-Central Sierra Initiative, which aims to thin millions of trees from about 2.4 million acres of forest—believed to be the largest such state-federal project in the country.

Another dangerous factor, land-management experts say, is that forests have become overgrown with trees and underbrush due to a mix of human influences, including a past federal policy of putting out fires, rather than letting them burn. Washington has also sharply reduced logging under pressure from environmentalists.

posted November 17, 2018 03:14 AM            

Then we have the fires further south. A friend of mine was talking about how there are just as many regular people down there, as there are celebrities. Another friend of mine lost her home in Santa Rosa, last year. Their area was wiped out. More friends are taking pictures of the smoke, and having to wear masks. One woman posted that her son was home, because of a school "smoke" day, instead of snow.

posted November 17, 2018 03:48 AM            

This is the maximum number of Americans killed after 9-11. This need not have happened.

In a Civilized Country, entire Military Resources possible should have been sanctioned for use from day one. Incompetent Third World India sends NDRF [equivalent of FEMA] within 24 hours and Soldiers. This helped cut loss of life by tens of thousands in floods from 2015-2018.

US Military is far better trained and equipped, smart use of Hercules type Jumbo Planes could have been used to spray tons of water to minimize the flames. Legends like Red Adair have stopped powerful fires in the 1980s with less technology than today.

Nobody wanted to even think outside the box. Cryogenics could have been used on the perimeters. Liquid Nitrogen Cylinders could have been detonated.

America could have done all that or even better.

And the Federal Government just slept or rage tweeted inanities until it was too late.

I would be very upset if at least the Democrats do not prepare an advanced action plan to prevent this from happening again. No more deaths from Forest Fires.

posted November 17, 2018 08:37 AM            

It breaks my heart to see such careless regard for life. Human, flora or fauna.

Politics can wait another day, lend a helping hand to these souls who have lost so much

posted November 17, 2018 01:43 PM            

"As usual, President Trump is right and the loony tunes leftists are wrong. In this case, 'dead' wrong." -Whop