posted December 01, 2018 06:16 PM            

I asked what shura meant by sodom.. which I don't believe she capitalized, by the way... one possible answer being the left's supposed intent of undermining sexual norms in favour of those once called Aberrent and Perverse, which is rampant in right wing discussions. A simple yes or no would have sufficed, or an explanation of what she meant.

In return I got push back questions and challenges, name calling and accusation. There's no discussing "sodom, perversion and degeneracy" when what they refer to is a solid unknown.

Its true.. since 2003 .it has nationally been legal to have consensual sex with any adult .. for the first time. Moral outrage still runs rampant in some circles. It's not my fight but I'll stick up for people's right to choose their partners, consensually. That has nothing to do with my question.

It is incredible to me that so much dissembling and feigned righteousness is the answer to a request for clarity of expression. Good grief!

posted December 01, 2018 08:38 PM            

Should sex between consensual adults be made illegal? No, I don't believe it should. Is there a chance in hell of that happening? No. So I really don't know what you're up in arms about.

Yes, I capitalized the 'S'

So what did I have in mind when I typed that big bad scary word?

Well, as you immediately jumped to sexual matters, we can get those out of the way first.

The Progressive Left supports under 12 drag queens. The Left supports chemical castration of children as young as 8. It is normalizing pedophilia as a mere sexual orientation. It's flirting with bestiality. The Left's idea of sex education is teaching younger elementary school children about various sexual positions and preferences such as polyamory, and how to better masturbate. It hails extreme promiscuity as a mark of independence and strength, and extramarital affairs as marriage therapy. It is pro abortion ..... Stop. I didn't say pro choice. I said pro abortion. A $20 "ask me about my abortion!" tee on Amazon and #shoutyourabortion tags isn't pro choice, it's pro abortion. The days of "legal, safe, and rare" are over.
I consider these issues immoral to the degree they contribute to the degradation of society. There's ample historical precedent supporting so.

Further, and what *I* first think of when discussing modern perversions: the Progressive Left promotes childlessness. Attacks traditional marriage. Attacks parental rights in favor of a literal nanny state. It is thoroughly misandrist. It is unashamedly racist. It viciously attacks western civ. and classic European values. It is anti rural, anti blue collar. It homogenized traditional American regional differences but stymies immigrant assimilation. It has taken imperialism to its extreme end by promoting globalism. It encourages endlessly warring diversity over social cohesion. It promotes the anarchy of open borders. It is pro crime. It supports government and corporate Big Brother tactics from doxxing to job loss to imprisonment for wrongthink. It encourages a false and counterproductive oppressor/victim dynamic. It threatens genocide and abets ethnic displacement. I could go on.

Lastly, and this is important to me personally, as I continue to exchange with a handful of old school, anti corporate holdover Leftists, they and I are aware of a strong swing toward pro corporatism (not capitalism, to clarify). Because the corporate world financially backs most if not all of these Progressive positions, perhaps the swing is inevitable. He who picks up the check, right?
Whether the Progressive Left is taking advantage of this powerful Corp alliance, or the Progressive Left is an extension of the Multinational Corp arm is debatable, but the swing itself is irrefutable.

I recently spoke with an online friend active in the 1999 Battle of Seattle, and he bemoaned the same turn of allegiance. It's troubling. But, as he says, "the game is cultural now"

posted December 01, 2018 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Cat, I can't tell you if I support LGBT+ rights until you tell me what rights are being infringed and how you propose we remedy it. The term is too broad. Give me just one example.

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I have not defended gay rights here though i am gay, but is it necessary to remind everyone here that gay rights exists since ... yesterday ?

Until the 80's it was considered a mental illness that would have send you in a french mental institution. Marriage here is only 4 or 5 years old...

Nothing to support because no rights infringed ?

Never as protected as now ? Compared to when ? Last year?

Really ? Come on

Besides, I live in the countryside and work with farmers (dairy), that is my job, and I love it, and although there is a possibility that I can live a normal life relationship wise ( by normal I mean like you, straight people) , it is not guaranteed and it is NECESSARILY with great precautions to not rock the boat or attract unwanted anger or attention.

Please, before arguing that lgbt are too demanding or already well protected, feel what we go through

posted December 01, 2018 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Cat you're a trip

Should sex between consensual adults be made illegal? No, I don't believe it should. Is there a chance in hell of that happening? No. So I really don't know what you're up in arms about.

Yes, I capitalized the 'S'

So what did I have in mind when I typed that big bad scary word?

Well, as you immediately jumped to sexual matters, we can get those out of the way first.

The Progressive Left supports under 12 drag queens. The Left supports chemical castration of children as young as 8. It is normalizing pedophilia as a mere sexual orientation. It's flirting with bestiality. The Left's idea of sex education is teaching younger elementary school children about various sexual positions and preferences such as polyamory, and how to better masturbate. It hails extreme promiscuity as a mark of independence and strength, and extramarital affairs as marriage therapy. It is pro abortion ..... Stop. I didn't say pro choice. I said pro abortion. A $20 "ask me about my abortion!" tee on Amazon and #shoutyourabortion tags isn't pro choice, it's pro abortion. The days of "legal, safe, and rare" are over.
I consider these issues immoral to the degree they contribute to the degradation of society. There's ample historical precedent supporting so.

Further, and what *I* first think of when discussing modern perversions: the Progressive Left promotes childlessness. Attacks traditional marriage. Attacks parental rights in favor of a literal nanny state. It is thoroughly misandrist. It is unashamedly racist. It viciously attacks western civ. and classic European values. It is anti rural, anti blue collar. It homogenized traditional American regional differences but stymies immigrant assimilation. It has taken imperialism to its extreme end by promoting globalism. It encourages endlessly warring diversity over social cohesion. It promotes the anarchy of open borders. It is pro crime. It supports government and corporate Big Brother tactics from doxxing to job loss to imprisonment for wrongthink. It encourages a false and counterproductive oppressor/victim dynamic. It threatens genocide and abets ethnic displacement. I could go on.

Lastly, and this is important to me personally, as I continue to exchange with a handful of old school, anti corporate holdover Leftists, they and I are aware of a strong swing toward pro corporatism (not capitalism, to clarify). Because the corporate world financially backs most if not all of these Progressive positions, perhaps the swing is inevitable. He who picks up the check, right?
Whether the Progressive Left is taking advantage of this powerful Corp alliance, or the Progressive Left is an extension of the Multinational Corp arm is debatable, but the swing itself is irrefutable.

I recently spoke with an online friend active in the 1999 Battle of Seattle, and he bemoaned the same turn of allegiance. It's troubling. But, as he says, "the game is cultural now"

Cat, I suspect (hope?) you envision a more centrist platform. A Big Tent. Those days are gone. The extremism you see in the alt Right is equaled if not surpassed by the Left. Diff being, try as it may, the alt Right hasn't successfully infiltrated the Right proper. The Right still consists of and is led by Jwhop and Randall Boomer types (MAGAheads). You may not like them but they're not radical alt Right. (Ask them about Jews or Israel to confirm). Meanwhile, the alt Left has control of the Left leadership to the extent that *alt* Left seems an unnecessary qualifier. To be clear: the laundry list above is not the position of radical outliers kept at bay by more level headed captains. They are positions supported by your leaders, your intellectuals, and your media, and in my experience by many of your rank and file. Those that disagree are the outliers now. You're an older white woman, Cat, you and people like you have no voice in this game anymore. From demssowhite to anti Imperial Feminism, you are being expunged from the Party. You're good for nothing now but your ill considered vote.

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posted December 02, 2018 11:58 AM            

What a sad universe you appear to inhabit. Politics is a shifting game with many factions within each faction. How neat it seems when everyone is tucked away in their pigeon holes.

posted December 02, 2018 02:20 PM            

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Never as protected as now ? Compared to when ? Last year?

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I can`t speak for globally but rather Midwest of the USA.

My time on this earth has seen gays prosecuted , murdered (think the infamous 1998 Shepard murder for starters)
and vilified.
Today the mindset, laws and morals have changed dramatically to protect and include gays. More to go, perhaps and with time it will happen.

We are long from the days of the Shepard murder and growing within the laws needs of the lgbt community.

Instead of grumping in what they don`t have lets us remember the growth and change we all do have.

posted December 04, 2018 08:46 AM            

I stand by what I said to pire .

posted December 04, 2018 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Cat, there is always one, yes? There will, unfortunately, always be haters regardless of the what or who.

I stand by what I said to pire .

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let see what you think when one of your kids tell you they are gay, if they dare to gome out

perhaps you will accept it straight away (pun not intended), but what will be your reaction when other around your gay kids do not "accept" them wholeheartedly.

posted December 04, 2018 12:08 PM            

I agree we've made great strides but we are in an undertow period here and law or not people are still at risk. The law forbids burning black people too, but it has happened, recently. There is much public opinion backlash so we'll see how long the laws stand up.

posted December 04, 2018 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:

let see what you think when one of your kids tell you they are gay, if they dare to gome out

perhaps you will accept it straight away (pun not intended), but what will be your reaction when other around your gay kids do not "accept" them wholeheartedly.

you would have to warn them to be careful. I doubt you would tell them, son, girl, enjoy being just insulted or ostracized for holding hands, and not killed like shepard

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I have a gay family member and he isn`t treated any different and I also live in dairy country..

I`m not saying it is an easy lifestyle but rather there are laws now to protect them when 20 yrs ago they stood alone.

posted March 20, 2023 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Remember when some people here wanted the DOJ weaponized to lock Hillary up?

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posted March 20, 2023 02:39 PM            

Fun to watch Cat nag nag nag for a explanation and then, when she got it, scurry off without a response. Typical. Hope she's doing well.

Again, I'm sure the "our democracy" defenders will take to the streets protesting Trump's indictment