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Topic: The wall
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 14371
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2019 08:31 PM
  
Stop using the word FREE when talking about healthcare, education, food, housing, clothing transportation and infrastructure.Unless, no one works or makes anything. Otherwise, it sure as hell isn't FREE. Someone pays but you can bet your little leftist azz it's not the lazy, freeloading, on the public dole buttheads who are forever demanding FREE stuff from the productive members of society. IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2019 08:32 PM
An example I had a surgery ithe cost for me ? 2 € i did pay 30 € twice for the 2 visit before the surgery but was reimbursed 29 € twice, 1 € per visit is not reimbursed.
The surgery was paid for by the social security IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
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posted January 30, 2019 08:34 PM
For the patient, me the cost for going to have surgery is 2 € What do you call it ? IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 14371
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted January 30, 2019 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
For the patient, me the cost for going to have surgery is 2 € What do you call it ?
Doctors and hospital staff must work really cheap in France! IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2019 09:00 PM
The social security is what pays in my placeThere are pros and cons to both system The US favors the fittest and allows to make more money more easily while over here the system is more structured and more rigid between the classes (hence Mr Rodrigues and the yellow vest movment) but it also allows for everyone to be taken care of, or at least that is the intent SUPPOSEDLY and the leftist I am would question this reality. My point was that the system in Europe and the democratic party in the US isn't in any way bolchevik, just social democrat. Many difference. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2258
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 01, 2019 12:01 PM
pire please note I said Bolshevism part 2. Bolshevism, like most everything else, evolves. It adapts.In the States, when we say 'Bolshevism' the emphasis is often less on the economic angle and more on the social. The US is in the midst of an identity altering demographic and cultural battle which Europe, being less inclined to oppose such things, experienced in a perhaps not so tumultuous fashion. I ofc know many stalwart Euros who would argue against accusations of apathy, but that's another story. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2258
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 01, 2019 12:06 PM
Bolshevism, Maoist Cultural Revolution, Cultural Marxism, ... these names become common shorthand for the break with tradition, repudiation of national and tribal history, dispossession of the native population, and rejection of longstanding cultural norms and morals we in the West are presently enduring. Again, evil adapts, so current problems will not always strictly adhere to the historical definition of these old labels. But it smells the same, if you understand my meaning. Ultimately, a jackboot is a jackboot is a jackboot. And the average joe on the street senses that. Just ask him.  IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11725
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2019 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
As they say, it's not over till the fat lady sings! Watch out for February 16th, when the 3 week period expires to get a deal.
Sounds to me nada on his $$ figure and no shut down. The fat lady is humming for her warm up
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 124947
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2019 06:44 PM
We have a few billion available in other areas of the budget that can be allocated to the wall.IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 04:13 AM
Trump's Republican are insistent on the wall and it becomes a mantra, proving that politics is all about propositions.Democrats need to do some souls searching. Time to propose things (universal healthcare ? , ..etc ...) Politics gather momentum when used in a positive way. Not in a negation of what the other side is proposing. And soon you will realise the conservative side, with all its cautious wisdom, is only a passive force of looser who want to stay on top in fear of being swept away by radical changes they do not master IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted February 14, 2019 10:58 AM
Pelosi said not one dollar for a structure. Well, they gave President Trump $1.4 billion for a wall. Do the math. He can move around funds from the defense budget and get close to the rest of what he asked for.IP: Logged |
jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 14371
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
Trump's Republican are insistent on the wall and it becomes a mantra, proving that politics is all about propositions.Democrats need to do some souls searching. Time to propose things (universal healthcare ? , ..etc ...) Politics gather momentum when used in a positive way. Not in a negation of what the other side is proposing. And soon you will realise the conservative side, with all its cautious wisdom, is only a passive force of looser who want to stay on top in fear of being swept away by radical changes they do not master
The border wall will be built. President Trump has both constitutional authority and statutory authority to protect the sovereignty of the United States and the safety of the American people. The discretion on how to accomplish both tasks rests with American presidents. $25 BILLION is pocket change for a nation with GDP of near $20 TRILLION PER YEAR! As for the nonsense of single payer...Medicare for all..or any other Socialist health care system, like ObamaCare, the costs are staggering. The US National Debt just passed $22 TRILLION a few days ago. That's the accumulated National Debt through the entire existence of the United States. Single Payer health care has been calculated to cost $32 TRILLION over 10 years...or $10 TRILLION more than the entire existing accumulated National Debt..just for that one program. Single-payer health care would have an astonishingly high price tag
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June 18, 2017 .....But the government’s price tag would be astonishing. When Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) proposed a “Medicare for all” health plan in his presidential campaign, the nonpartisan Urban Institute figured that it would raise government spending by $32 trillion over 10 years, requiring a tax increase so huge that even the democratic socialist Mr. Sanders did not propose anything close to it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/single-payer-health-care-would-have-an-astonishingly-high-price-tag/2017/06/18/9c70dae6-52d2-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html?noredirect=on& utm_term=.2788d78df9f9
No thanks Socialist Boy, it's not going to happen. Nor are any of the other radical extremist leftist fringe boondoggles proposed by lunatic demorats.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 124947
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
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posted February 14, 2019 02:12 PM
The left is criticizing President Trump for being in charge when we broke $22 trillion. How soon they forget that Obama was the one to double the National Debt while in office, spending more than all other Presidents before him combined. I guess it's okay to spend with no constraint if it's liberals doing the spending.  IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 14025
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posted February 14, 2019 02:20 PM
You both sound brainwashed.IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 04:29 PM
I googled US GDP and got 19,39 BILLIONI am confused about trillion IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 04:32 PM
France GDP 2.5 billionWe always had a single payer system French debt is 97% of GDP Must have something to do with how much drug company make the US patient pay Here we make a difference between a patient ( health ) and a customer ( food, clothes, ...etc ) How can a medecine cost be so high ? Nevermind if you want to pay for it, bit know that around the world, every other developped country has cheaper healthcare. It is the reality, everywhere in the developped world and for a long time. Except in your country... It is difficult to argue about that IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2939
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 04:42 PM
Where is Trump on that ?Your dear leader who loves and understand the people ? Can't wait to read you jwhop and Randall and shura and ballerina defend a cheaper healthcare with Trump who cares about his people health. He for sure can afford to be treated when ill IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2258
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 05:09 PM
The most merciful thing I can say here is he caved.IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2258
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by pire: Can't wait to read you jwhop and Randall and shura and ballerina defend a cheaper healthcare with Trump who cares about his people health.
You can't be serious pire, if your read on me is so wildly inaccurate, it makes me wonder what else you're misreading. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2258
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Sounds to me nada on his $$ figure and no shut down. The fat lady is humming for her warm up
Those fat ladies in demo (read: foreigner) held, blue cities with the power to veto this halfasss fencing are singing Pelosi's tune. And don't even get me started on theses damn ankle bracelets. Is that McCain in the WH???? IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 2258
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 14, 2019 05:44 PM
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Trump's Republican are insistent on the wall and it becomes a mantra, proving that politics is all about propositions.
pire, most repub politicians want open borders. If not in name, certainly in practice. They may be working toward open borders for arguably different reasons than are the demos, but they want them nevertheless. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 124947
From: From a galaxy, far, far away...
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 15, 2019 11:13 AM
Looks like President Trump got billions in all kinds of immigration funding--just not for the wall. The wall is on the way.IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11725
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 15, 2019 12:27 PM
For a trumped up state of emergency?  ------------------
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Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
teasel
Knowflake Posts: 14025
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posted February 15, 2019 01:26 PM
He admitted he didn't need to do this - that there is no emergency. It's like one of those satirical movies, only unfortunately, this is real life. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 15, 2019 02:44 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-donald-trump-scam-stupidest-base-national-emergency-1333033?fbclid=IwAR3aHFEsh1jr_Ev2rmCPyNKvhrGK13oC_MRDG7CwpNxAAkuOqiki9jaLf28
"In a separate tweet, she added, “The goal is to get Trump's stupidest voters to say ‘HE'S FIGHTING!’ No he's not. If he signs this bill, it's over"."
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