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Topic: Mirror, Mirror On The Wall, Who's The Craziest Commie of All?
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teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 02:05 PM
  
For me, last year, an ambulance ride plus an ER visit cost me over $3000 that I didn't have. They sent the bill to collections, because I couldn't afford to pay it off, and they got very small payments (of our own choice/size, since I avoided their calls) - all I could afford. I was still getting calls for a while, after they started receiving their payments. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by ballerina:
Cat, yes you are right about
hospice...
Upon your arrival at emergency
room, if you do not have insurance
they put you into the system,
so, all and everything is taken
care of...
This isn't true.
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teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
Pire, you dont want to die on this hill.You have a shiit healthcare system. We have a shiit health insurance system. Pick your poison, absolutely. But dont deny it's poison.
He doesn't have a shiit health care system. Neither did I, in England. I got medical care right away, and dental care, I was taken care of. Not so over here. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 02:15 PM
From a friend of mine:My last 5 ER trips of 2018: Total billed = $49,793.00
(July-Dec only) IP: Logged |
ballerina
Moderator Posts: 1925
From: A Place on Earth
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posted February 16, 2019 02:15 PM
I live in New Hampshire,
and it is as I said...------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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ballerina
Moderator Posts: 1925
From: A Place on Earth
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posted February 16, 2019 02:17 PM
The hospital does the
application for you to
The department of health
and human services...------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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jwhop
Knowflake Posts: 13002
From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 16, 2019 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
From a friend of mine:My last 5 ER trips of 2018: Total billed = $49,793.00
(July-Dec only)
Why doesn't your friend have ObamaCare? It's still being sold. And, why is your friend using emergency rooms instead of a clinic or private physician? IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Why doesn't your friend have ObamaCare? It's still being sold. And, why is your friend using emergency rooms instead of a clinic or private physician?
This is before insurance pays part of it. And she still pays a lot, even though she still has insurance. She's showing how sick our health care system is. We aren't all lucky enough to have health insurance. And the people that are, many of them are refused a payout, because the insurance company has decided that certain things invalidated the claim (even though they didn't - I remember someone posting about a surgery their baby girl needed, and then the insurance company tried to make out it wasn't necessary). IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by ballerina:
The hospital does the
application for you to
The department of health
and human services...
They don't. They bully you until you find a way to pay. That was MY personal experience. IP: Logged |
ballerina
Moderator Posts: 1925
From: A Place on Earth
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 16, 2019 02:47 PM
Have you applied for
any help?------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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ballerina
Moderator Posts: 1925
From: A Place on Earth
Registered: Feb 2014
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posted February 16, 2019 02:50 PM
Once you've applied,
you can choose a PC,
scripts are paid for..
I only receive medical
help, I'm not on food
stamps, or Social Security...------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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teasel
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posted February 16, 2019 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by jwhop:
Why doesn't your friend have ObamaCare? It's still being sold. And, why is your friend using emergency rooms instead of a clinic or private physician?
Oh, she has been very sick for several years now, and does have a private physician. She also has needed to be rushed to the ER. In December, just before Christmas, she had emergency heart surgery, and had some kind of aneurysm - or something like an aneurysm, worked on as well. Like my mother, who died. She had another ER visit just after the new year, so that total above, doesn't include that. IP: Logged |
ballerina
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posted February 16, 2019 04:25 PM
teasel  My heart goes out to you...
I'm saddened... ------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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shura
Knowflake Posts: 1643
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 16, 2019 07:51 PM
teasel, UK healthcare is notoriously, infamously, inarguably shiit. This isn't up for debateIP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1643
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 16, 2019 07:53 PM
Cat, if you're not hearing complaints, you're not listening. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 16, 2019 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by pire:
Jwhop what you represent is not liberal, am i right ? One day you are the champion for liberalism, the other you are all for Trump and his tariffs ... Socialist anyone ? Consistent anyone ?
Pire, I'm a Classical Liberal, not to be confused in any way with social liberalism. I like the few real liberals I've known. But, you could walk into most any current self styled "liberal" get together and fail to find a true liberal. IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2923
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2019 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by shura:
teasel, UK healthcare is notoriously, infamously, inarguably shiit. This isn't up for debate
How can you make such a sweeping statement ? Based on what ? Your extended experience of the British healthcare system ? I lived 5 years in London, only visited once the ER and was treated for free. And well . How can anyone be against a cheaper healthcare? I don’t get it. It seems that in the US the cost there, for the same treatment, is way more expensive than everywhere else, and you still defend this system just because it is the US. Look around, other nation treat their patient for much less Now if Trump truly was for the people, he would do that. But is owned by lobbies too. IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1643
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 17, 2019 09:48 AM
I understand saying your healthcare is, at best, suspect will put you on the defensive.
Would I rather seek medical in attention in the UK than, say, Uganda? Yes indeed I would. That said, imagine if I insisted US healthcare was reasonably priced. Stop and imagine the response this would elicit. You might feel astounded, yes? Perhaps frustrated. You would think I was nuts, or hopelessly biased, or possibly even lying. It would be such an outlandish statement you might even think it too ridiculous to counter. As if someone asked you to prove the earth was round. You might just shake your head and walk away.
Ok that's how I feel right now.IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2923
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2019 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by shura:
I understand saying your healthcare is, at best, suspect will put you on the defensive.
Would I rather seek medical in attention in the UK than, say, Uganda? Yes indeed I would. That said, imagine if I insisted US healthcare was reasonably priced. Stop and imagine the response this would elicit. You might feel astounded, yes? Perhaps frustrated. You would think I was nuts, or hopelessly biased, or possibly even lying. It would be such an outlandish statement you might even think it too ridiculous to counter. As if someone asked you to prove the earth was round. You might just shake your head and walk away.
Ok that's how I feel right now.
Sorry have you any air in your chart ? cause I don't really fancy talking just for the sake of it If we must discuss, then let's do it. Not just just put words to fill the space IP: Logged |
shura
Knowflake Posts: 1643
From: kamaloka
Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 17, 2019 06:23 PM
no.well, Jwhop once told me I had Libra rising, but Juni disagrees.
I gave up on Libra diplomacy a while back. Didn't work out. Maybe next time.
How's the weather in France today, pire? Kids good? How's the family? Any protestors lose an eye this weekend? Or a hand? Jupiter getting those spunky firemen under control yet? You should maybe put on your working man's boots and get out there, my good man. 24th hour and all that, yk? Viva la France!!! That's cute how you say "fancy." So British. Whatever 'British' is these days. But I guess you picked it up there. Or maybe somewhere else, I don't know. Probably bigoted of me to think of "fancy" as a Brit thing. I mean for all I knw they say that in Ecuador, too. I mean why not, right? Borders. pfft. Did you enjoy the UK? There long? Sounds great.
Hey have a good day! 
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 11401
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 17, 2019 06:48 PM
Shura has a lot of shizuka er scorpio attitude in her.
 I suspect the basis of her statements are that blanket statements need evidence to debate them. Provide evidence U.k. health care is the best and debate away. ------------------
Partial truth~the seeds of wisdom~can be found in many places...The seeds of wisdom are contained in all scriptures ever written… especially in art, music, and poetry and, above all, in Nature.
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pire
Knowflake Posts: 2923
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 18, 2019 01:56 AM
Juni, I read again what I said about the British healthcare and you will see that I was cautious to not make any blanket statement
As for providing evidence I let her do that because she is the one that needs to prove the British healthcare is “sh!tty” as she said
Shura, I am glad that you read about France news, that you know Macron nickname. I would be interested to know where you get those informations, what sources. You must be praised for the effort that you make as obviously no one else here does to know more about what’s going on abroad
Here the weather is nice, a bit chilly in the morning but warm and springlike during the day thanks for askingIP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 2923
From: France
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 18, 2019 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
I don't hear pire or anyone who receives it complaining about french healthcare.Hospice= palliative care only, not life sustaining. Free emergency room care comes with a bill. If you care about your credit and have any income, it is not free. Pire, if it's conversation you are looking for its not here. With few exceptions, Only people spouting their own opinions and unable to absorb others'. Bonne chance !
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teasel
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posted February 18, 2019 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Shura has a lot of shizuka er scorpio attitude in her.
I suspect the basis of her statements are that blanket statements need evidence to debate them. Provide evidence U.k. health care is the best and debate away.
Shura has no personal experience with UK healthcare. I, on the other hand, am alive because of it. I also have personal experience that US health care is not the best. Her statements and nasty assumptions, are no match for personal experience. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 18, 2019 06:28 PM
Hi teasel. I'm happy to see you here again  ! My post was referencing pires . Altho, i don't know if shura has first hand knowledge of the U.K.'S Health care system or not. If you know, thats more than i know. ------------------
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