posted August 03, 2019 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Since this is the written word, tonality isn't possible. So, any inferences concerning tone come from your own head as you read it and therefore your deficiency, not mine. Furthermore, you attribute to me things I did not say, so my choice of wording is not the problem. If I don't say something, don't assume otherwise. Read, not read into, and you will avoid such misunderstandings in the future.

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posted August 05, 2019 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
For those of you that agree with Biden, please remember what fuels your electricity (probably coal or gas unless you live near a hydroelectric plant or nuclear plant). Also please remember that this isn't just "the economy changing" we're talking about. We're talking about people's jobs, entire towns/cities built around fossil fuels. Appalachia in particular has taken a hard hit from the decline in the coal industry, and states like West Virginia and Kentucky need support, not more politicians shutting down their economy.

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if industries and the market change due to technological advancements over the years it would make little sense to continue to do things in an outdated manner

the loss of jobs would be unfortunate but a new market would create new jobs and new opportunities and not all industries last forever just like not all jobs stay relevant forever

an outright ban at this point in time would be stupid, but if technology continues to move in a certain direction and eventually that's where better opportunities for the future lie then forward movement is the right move

will some people suffer for it? yes, but you can't make decisions that affect the masses just because the few have their lives based on things that have become unnecessary

this is just something that happens as the market changes and technology advances, nothing stays the same

posted August 05, 2019 01:21 PM            

the loss of jobs would be unfortunate but a new market would create new jobs and new opportunities and not all industries last forever just like not all jobs stay relevant forever"

I have yet to see you mention even 1 new technology or improvement to existing technology which could supplant fossil fuels. Are you unaware of the various theoretical sources which might have a chance to do away with the need for fossil fuels?

For example:
Zero Point Energy Generators
Nuclear Fusion
Dark Energy

posted August 05, 2019 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"if industries and the market change due to technological advancements over the years it would make little sense to continue to do things in an outdated manner

the loss of jobs would be unfortunate but a new market would create new jobs and new opportunities and not all industries last forever just like not all jobs stay relevant forever"

I have yet to see you mention even 1 new technology or improvement to existing technology which could supplant fossil fuels. Are you unaware of the various theoretical sources which might have a chance to do away with the need for fossil fuels?

For example:
[b]Zero Point Energy Generators
Nuclear Fusion
Dark Energy

Now, perhaps you can fill in the blanks.
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i'm aware of other things that are being developed, but because none of them are developed in a way in which they can be a replacement currently i'm not going to make a judgement call about the future

you don't seem to understand that i'm acknowledging the present while simultaneously acknowledging the reality that tech companies are looking for proper alternatives and ways to make those more widely available and usable (they're not in their current states) and that tech growth is exponential meaning i can't predict the next 5 years

posted August 05, 2019 03:59 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Then it’s up to those people in coal mining towns to pull themselves up by their boot straps and find another profession. It’s called being an American.

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posted August 05, 2019 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
If something else comes along (such as nuclear power being more prevalent), then coal will simmer out. That's the way a capitalist society and free market works. You can't force BS alternate energy on an economy the way that Obama tried to do, costing the taxpayers billions when such "alternatives" tanked. Why abandon coal when it works? Because of "climate change"? Eliminate that hoax from the equation, and then the urgency ceases to exist.

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well yeah exactly, that's how it should be done, but appeals to trends to gain power are perfectly understandable

like i said if he actually were to go in office and then outright ban things he'd be insane

but if there was a slow phase out due to new technology and he wanted to seem progressive to win favor then those are the right words to use

posted August 05, 2019 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Yep, no time for whining. Get with the program, and learn something new.

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It's easy to say that when you're not the one being affected. If you were the one losing your house, car, healthcare, etc then maybe you would feel differently. Re-training sounds easy on paper but imagine having to forget everything you know and go back to school or else you're left behind and likely forced to move somewhere else for work. That kind of negative impact doesn't just affect the economy, but the tax base too.

If ya'll somehow think this is an apocalyptic scenario that would never happen, you've clearly never been to an abandoned coal or plant town. There's plenty of them down here in the south.

posted August 05, 2019 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I see what you're saying. But things phase out relative to new technologies at the rate to which it will balance out the economic equilibrium. For example, VHS beat out Beta, cassettes replaced 8-tracks, CDs replaced cassettes, DVDs replaced VHS, and DVRs replaced VCRs. The market will handle it. The only reason an urgency to invest in discovering these unknown technologies and to try to stop using fossil fuels immediately would be if we were destroying the planet, and we're not.

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yeah but tech companies are actively working on that **** because that's what a lot of people are looking for currently, so that's why i think it's highly likely

there's demand so at some point people are going to want that to be met

but yeah it's exactly like cassette tapes to cds and so on and so forth in my view

like i said i genuinely think that a call for a ban is just a matter of throwing out an extreme view to get attention, the reality is a ban on that level would ******* destroy this country present day and so i can't imagine it actually going through