posted August 03, 2019 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Another shooting. Seems to be constant these days. What’s going on?

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posted August 03, 2019 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Yeah, I heard before I left the house. At least eighteen dead. I’ve just seen a Facebook comment from a woman who said her grandmother was there, and carried out a twelve-year-old boy who had been shot.

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that's sad, but i hope you're not using the image of a child being shot to imply that gun control should be increased

posted August 03, 2019 06:56 PM            

Studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014, that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States.[26]

Wikipedia also says

posted August 03, 2019 07:07 PM            

edit: likely just general civil unrest given the state of the world and **** like that, also the purposeful polarization of people against each other by the media and those in power

poor understanding of mental illness and stigmatization of it causing people to go untreated etc and so on

lot of **** really

but the reason why it gets blown out of proportion and guns get blamed is because it's a political tool and like i said makes citizens that much more reliant on their government and unable to take care of themselves

posted August 03, 2019 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
that's sad, but i hope you're not using the image of a child being shot to imply that gun control should be increased

it's already unreasonable

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posted August 03, 2019 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
No, I think that eighteen people being brutally murdered in a mass shooting, would do that.

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2nd amendment shouldn't be infringed on, gun control is already ridiculous

while the loss of life is sad taking away guns won't stop mass killings

not only is it easy to obtain all kinds of things illegally (and if youre going to kill people you dont care about laws), but there's a **** ton of other ways to kill people

like i said in the other thread **** like explosives, napalm, poison gas etc are all easy to make and can take out plenty of people when utilized correctly

not to mention how much easier than that it is to just get into a big ******* car or truck and run people over like they do in england where guns are illegal

you can't stop people from killing each other so all taking guns away does is not only go against the us constitution but also makes it so citizens are unable to defend themselves and shifts the balance of power further away from the masses

posted August 03, 2019 08:39 PM            

not only that but your average gun owner isn't a mass murderer, that's not most people

punishing the masses for things a small percentage of people do is ridiculous

also like i said it's obvious guns aren't the issue, guns have been legal (and those rights keep being infringed on whenever the media promotes mass hysteria) for way longer than mass shootings like this became such an issue

it's cultural shifts not guns, and honestly sensationalized media adds to it

you know how many ******* people feel like they have nothing to live for but know they could make a statement that lives on even if they die (like many of these mass shooters do, they're typically essentially suicide by cop/murders) if they shoot a place up? their faces get plastered everywhere, their manifestos and mission statements etc (plenty of them have those) get read, everyone pays attention to something and they essentially martyr themselves for their beliefs

that's a hell of a lot of coverage to further their views

media coverage makes it worth their while

that and the current climate of civil unrest and **** in this country is why these things are going up

also7 like i said unchecked and stigmatized mental illness and societal issues etc

taking guns away from people who wouldnt do anything like that with them and anyone in future generations who might need one isnt going to stop that ****

posted August 04, 2019 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
No, I think that eighteen people being brutally murdered in a mass shooting, would do that.

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I didn't notice you talking about this. Do you find this equally distressing? Apparently, the Fake News morons at CNN and MSNBC don't find it distressing. They don't want to talk about a demorat run city and mostly black on black shootings.

In Chicago, 1,517 people have been shot this year.
Chicago Tribune
Jul 29, 2019

50 most recent victims in 2019

1 PM, Jul 27
18-year-old male

3:50 PM, Jul 27
29-year-old male

3:50 PM, Jul 27
43-year-old male

2:32 PM, Jul 27
29-year-old male

7:11 AM, Jul 27
Male

4:07 AM, Jul 27
31-year-old male

1:05 AM, Jul 27
19-year-old male

12:27 AM, Jul 27
31-year-old male

12:27 AM, Jul 27
31-year-old male

1:00 AM, Jul 27
28-year-old male

12:31 AM, Jul 27
12-year-old female

12:31 AM, Jul 27
41-year-old male

12:31 AM, Jul 27
31-year-old male

11:38 PM, Jul 26
28-year-old male

11:38 PM, Jul 26
30-year-old male

11:02 PM, Jul 26
31-year-old male

9:58 PM, Jul 26
30-year-old male

9:58 PM, Jul 26
35-year-old female

9:58 PM, Jul 26
26-year-old female

11:00 PM, Jul 26
21-year-old male

7:56 PM, Jul 26
18-year-old male

7:56 PM, Jul 26
24-year-old male

2:53 PM, Jul 26
33-year-old male

11:16 AM, Jul 26
17-year-old male

3:30 AM, Jul 26
27-year-old male

12:35 AM, Jul 26
25-year-old male

8:40 PM, Jul 25
22-year-old male

5:47 PM, Jul 25
19-year-old male

12:53 AM, Jul 25
28-year-old male

12:53 AM, Jul 25
32-year-old male

2:50 AM, Jul 25
22-year-old male

8:44 PM, Jul 24
30-year-old male

6:54 PM, Jul 24
42-year-old male

6:17 PM, Jul 24
28-year-old male

2:40 PM, Jul 24
38-year-old male

2:10 AM, Jul 24
18-year-old male

12:37 AM, Jul 24
18-year-old male

9:30 PM, Jul 23
31-year-old male

9:23 PM, Jul 23
22-year-old male

2:24 PM, Jul 23
41-year-old male

1:42 PM, Jul 23
17-year-old male

2:29 PM, Jul 23
17-year-old male

12:16 PM, Jul 23
30-year-old male

11:50 PM, Jul 23
19-year-old male

11:50 PM, Jul 23
17-year-old male

11:50 PM, Jul 23
20-year-old male

10:41 PM, Jul 22
30-year-old male

9:19 PM, Jul 22
17-year-old male

9:46 PM, Jul 22
25-year-old male

9:03 PM, Jul 22
20-year-old male

9:03 PM, Jul 22
15-year-old male

8:06 PM, Jul 22
23-year-old male

8:27 AM, Jul 21
16-year-old male

8:45 PM, Jul 21
41-year-old male

4:41 AM, Jul 21
27-year-old male

5:40 AM, Jul 21
22-year-old male

5:40 AM, Jul 21
26-year-old male

11:32 PM, Jul 21
19-year-old male

8:00 PM, Jul 21
20-year-old male

6:36 PM, Jul 21
20-year-old male

3:25 AM, Jul 21
19-year-old male

3:25 AM, Jul 21
35-year-old male

3:25 AM, Jul 21
20-year-old male

3:25 AM, Jul 21
21-year-old male

2:30 AM, Jul 21
37-year-old male

2:40 AM, Jul 21
31-year-old male

2:24 AM, Jul 21
12-year-old female

1:50 AM, Jul 21
17-year-old male

11:28 PM, Jul 20
24-year-old male

10:56 PM, Jul 20
33-year-old male

10:35 PM, Jul 20
41-year-old female

8:55 PM, Jul 20
27-year-old male

3:40 AM, Jul 20
27-year-old male

posted August 04, 2019 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Wikipedia says

Studies indicate that the rate at which public mass shootings occur has tripled since 2011. Between 1982 and 2011, a mass shooting occurred roughly once every 200 days. However, between 2011 and 2014, that rate has accelerated greatly with at least one mass shooting occurring every 64 days in the United States.[26]

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The United States has had more mass shootings than any other country.

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posted August 04, 2019 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You don't deprive law-abiding citizens of a Constitutional RIGHT for the lawless actions of a few nut cases.

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posted August 04, 2019 08:23 AM            

you're being needlessly dramatic, most people go to walmart and leave without getting shot in the face even in places where carry/conceal is legal (should be legal everywhere), but yes a mass shooting happened in one

that's like saying "can't people go to an ariana grande concert without getting killed by a bomb?" and yeah, most of the time that's exactly how that **** goes down but that one time that's not how it went

or "can't people cross a bridge without being purposefully run over by a truck?" even though most people who cross london bridge haven't faced that issue

notice how it's not just guns?

btw using children as an appeal to the emotions isn't a good argument either, it's just underhanded and dramatic

in the case of mass shootings it's just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and in the case of school shootings very frequently the kids who commit those are clearly troubled, it's well known, and no one intervenes or takes it seriously

it's unfortunate, but it's just a reality

like i said these issues have nothing to do with guns, it's all about society and cultural climate guns have been legal in this country for longer than these kinds of incidents have occurred with such frequency

not addressing the cultural issues that the violence stems from and taking away guns instead ultimately does nothing because the violence will come out in other ways

instead all you do is violate important parts of the constitution this country was founded on for a false sense of security that won't last because then you'll be afraid of something else and using children as a tool to tell everyone why that should be banned too (giving the government way too much control and pushing some sort of dystopian hell on the masses)

it's really callous btw, using kids' lives as a tool to preach your agenda, they're people not pawns

the loss of life is sad no doubt, but there's no reason to make martyrs out of them for your views

**** for all you know half the people who died might've wished they had a gun on them to shoot back rather than wanting to take away everyone's rights

you can't speak for the dead, so don't use them as tools for what you have to say

posted August 04, 2019 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
So ****** . And crying real tears over the people murdered earlier today, and now a mass shooting in Dayton.
http://www.politicususa.com/2019/05/09/trump-laughs-as-a-supporter-call s-for-immigrants-to-be-shot.html

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so he laughed and then said that's not something you can do and then pointed out that a wall would be a nonviolent option at keeping mass illegal immigration at bay? i'm not seeing the issue here or how it relates to this particular shooting

the reality is even if illegal immigrants were being slaughtered in droves the simple way for them to avoid it is to not try to illegally enter this country

it's like when those people tried crossing the river to get here illegally and died, well crossing rivers is dangerous and maybe responsible parents shouldn't put their children in dangerous situations trying to enter a country illegally

people die crossing rivers to begin with, sometimes in poor conditions **** happens

people used that as a tool to try to paint this horrible picture of people saying there should immigration laws, but the reality is doing dangerous **** can get you killed and that's no one else's fault

if you cry for every person who's murdered then you must always be crying because throughout the world that **** 's constantly happening to adults and children alike

i'm not a trump fan (i'm not a fan of this government at all especially on a federal level i think individual state rights should be more important) so i'm not blindly defending the guy here but this has no relevance to the el paso shooting and i don't see what he did here that's wrong

the reality is people who hate him will pick at anything as a reason to hate him, just like people who love him will turn a blind eye to anything he does that's ******

you're just nit picking

posted August 04, 2019 10:59 AM            

?? Most victims in these shootings are not illegal immigrants. The reality would be people are being slaughtered because shooters think they have the right to take lives with their own hands without any process, let alone due process. Unless you can show me that you know an illegal immigrant from a distance in a crowd, and even if you think you can i-d one alone on the street or , say, in Walmart, you have no right interfering with them, let alone shooting up the place.

Or do you think that looking like you might be an illegal immigrant is grounds for being shot?

The reality is that, in Chicago (1500 cited by jwhop) and other places, people use guns to settle arguments, not for protection.

Mass shooters may be the sensational exceptions, but far too many people are NOT "responsible" users. Lets not mention, either, the kids who shoot themselves and others because of "responsible" parents.

OL .. keeps the population from exploding, huh? But then what about the Constitutional Right to Life?

It does seem the people who object to murdering innocent fetuses dont worry about that when they're stockpiling their 2nd Amendment futile and so far mostly fantastical "protection from govt" arsenals.

As to black on black crime touted by white gun owners, how come black people "protecting themselves from the govt" is always considered criminal? Statistically most shootings are between people of the same whatever colour.

The reason mass shootings are sensationalized is because of multiple innocent victims who are strangers to the shooter. Who shoots not only irresponsibly but out of generalized anger. Or fear. Or a sense of saving us from invasion. Or WHAT?

That doesnt make "most" shootings responsible acts. Not people defending their homes from invasion, but asserting their 2nd amendment "right to take life".

It's true, guns cannot kill without being fired, so it is people who kill, and there are plenty of other methods. But there seem to be an awful lot, not just a few, irresponsible gun owners in this country, and an awful lot of rationalizing about doing nothing to figure out why.

posted August 04, 2019 11:11 AM            

read the article posted that i responded to with that statement and then read my entire response

like i said it had nothing to do with the mass shootings (the article posted was about immigrants), so you picking that sentence out and responding only to that makes little sense

edit: i'll read and respond to the rest of what you said in a minute, but considering you went for that one sentence i assumed maybe it wasn't worth reading