posted August 08, 2019 01:28 AM            

because i think it's safe to say there will be another shooting in the future and i think it'd be pretty impossible for that to happen without the general public and the government having some level of reaction and when there's inevitably more shootings after that it will continue to escalate those reactions all around and

i wouldn't bet against that, but if you want to...

posted August 08, 2019 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
There likely will be more shootings in the future. There is not likely be more gun control...beyond stricter background checks and an increase red flag laws, which already exist in 20 states. No matter what behavior the actions of the mentally ill manifest as, nothing of significance will change in our political structure.

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the more violence there is the more polarized and scared people will become, you don't seem to get that

and it's funny that you don't, you place too much faith in a system that's been slowly whittling away at citizens' rights for decades regardless of who's in charge

it's kind of amazing

it's not just about the government (who has been slowly taking more and more power away from the masses) but the masses that are getting increasingly riled up

posted August 08, 2019 07:11 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Speaking of camps, like those that children are being kept in, in which some have also died, and the rest are being left in filth to take care of each other:

What happens to the children of all of the people who were picked up in a huge ICE raid today?

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posted August 08, 2019 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The "masses" aren't riled up. And those who are tend not to be mass murderers.

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you're blind if you don't see how restless and angry most people are, and even more blind if you don't see how much fear these shootings are instilling as well

i never said most people are mass murderers, i've repeatedly said the opposite in threads here

what i have said is there will likely be more mass murderers and they'll continue to affect the way the masses feel about the state of the society they're in

people only stay complacent for so long and you seem to think it's only "bad people" who do "bad things" when nothing is that simplistic

given the right circumstances many "good people" will do "bad things" as well, it's a matter of where pressure is applied

and in certain demographics of people less pressure needs to be there

i think you need to look at it more like desperate people take desperate measures and are easily swayed

if civil unrest continues to steadily grow (and it has been) then it will reach a tipping point where sheer momentum will carry it to somewhere new

uncoordinated attacks that were once cries for help will begin to change, that's how things work

like i said there's more going on in the current political climate than you're willing to acknowledge because you think trump is going to save america

posted August 08, 2019 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
People are angry due to Hillary not winning, yes. But let's take your false narrative to a conclusion. People get change. I'm curious. What kind of change are you talking about? And the mass shootings will still occur anyway, because some people are just crazy.

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again this isn't about the democrats or the republicans, this is exactly what i mean when i say you're stuck (and if anyone is pushing a false narrative here it's you because you're not recognizing entire groups of us citizens as people)

yeah there's people who are upset that clinton didn't win, these aren't the same people that i'm talking about who also exist within this country (but they'll contribute to the unrest and the infighting in their own way due to their beliefs)

it's only older generations that are generally feeding into the democrat vs republican ******** that you're going on about, the demographic i'm discussing isn't them for the most part

a good deal of the people i'm discussing who weren't already disillusioned by politics before the last election were either trump or sanders supporters

both have since lost that support, sanders through his promotion of clinton and trump very recently has lost a lot of support amongst this specific crowd with his responses to the most recent shootings and before that it was his massive support of israel that was doing it

there are a lot of people who are done with the system, and that's on both sides

writing off every shooter as just crazy instead of understanding that politically motivated shootings aren't just based in madness is a mistake that ignores the larger implications of said shootings

it brushes aside the social issues (which are more than just mental illness) that are contributing factors to the violence

aside from that there comes a point where pacifism is madness and violence makes sense, that's reality

are we clear on that? that this isn't just angry democrats and the like?

because the most the angry dems and republicans will do is a lot of outrage at each other and further polarization, which will create a climate where people are more inclined to be aggressive towards each other (even verbally, it doesn't matter if it gets physical hostile energy left to fester creates its own issues) and more on edge

that polarization (which will increase when there's inevitably more violence) will make the people who don't care who's in power more on edge as a result because each party's politicians will attempt to pacify the people who fall in line with that ****

resulting in those politicians further alienating the people in these groups inevitably (because it's already happening)

also the more shootings there are the more fear the public will be in the natural consequence is that people who are doing these shootings or idolize shooters will feel like they have more power (because in a way they will, if you control people's fear you control them) which will lead to more confidence and the likelihood of more crimes goes up

these are people who are looking at these killers and ranking their high scores

these people are essentially just foundation layers though, because there's other people who are biding their time waiting to see where everything will fall once things escalate

now i can't currently make a prediction for how everything will fall once the tipping point is reached

i can give you hopes and dreams lol but it's too soon to call that

what i can call is more unrest within these groups and more desperation and anger

the reality is these are people who started off when they were younger with mostly innocent stupid trolling, but they saw the effect that could have on larger media and people on the whole, and now they're getting older and the world around them is **** and they're isolated and angry and those childish games are becoming politically motivated issues and desires

bigger change is inevitable but as i've said before the climate for tyranny, civil war, and revolution is all relatively the same

i expect the climate to get there, but where people end up taking it like i said too soon to call

think of it like watching a movie series, you don't know everything that will happen just by watching the first one

we're only on the first movie, it's going to be a cliffhanger ending, but like i said things will undoubtedly get more tense and people will get more reactive as a result

posted August 08, 2019 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
People are angry due to Hillary not winning, yes. But let's take your false narrative to a conclusion. People get change. I'm curious. What kind of change are you talking about? And the mass shootings will still occur anyway, because some people are just crazy.

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posted August 08, 2019 06:42 PM            

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So, you don't even know what kind of change that you or others supposedly advocate? Just "unhappy with the current system"? One can't advocate for change without knowing what those changes are or will be. And yes, if you kill a bunch of people in cold blood, I would say that qualifies as crazy.

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oh you were asking what i think should be in place? i wasnt aware you were asking me about my ideals i thought you were asking me about the way things would unfold and where the social climate was going to be headed

again what i said was the foundation for change not the actual changes

it requires many different people from different sides with different ideals to create the climate, and i see a logical unfolding of events (what i mentioned)

nowhere in what you said implied you were asking me what i thought things should be or what i would find worth fighting for

when people are being killed for political reasons it's not quite "in cold blood" again you're not looking at the crimes in the sense that these are "casualties" to some of these shooters

i clearly stated all the different sides of things and how i see them playing off each other to create a specific environment for change to happen, at no point were ideals mentioned or what i would prefer to see etc so im not sure why you'd even mention that

posted August 08, 2019 09:08 PM            

i'm curious what do my personal ideals have to do with this conversation?

to the political shooters these people are casualties in a sense, again a politically motivated shooting cant be looked at under the same lens as a mass shooting just because someone is crazy

i'm talking about what sort of social and political climate these shooters will create and saying it will be interesting because it should reach a tipping point where 3 major possibilities will come into play (revolution, tyranny, civil war)

do i just want change for the **** of it? not exactly, there are very specific ideals that i have but i didn't know you wanted a manifesto

my ideals, your ideals, anyone's ideals have nothing to do with me saying things should be getting interesting and all the reasons why and where i think these things will lead

i'm just commenting on trends not hopes and dreams

posted August 08, 2019 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You can't seem to articulate what changes would be better, making you as lost as the shooters. I can only deduce that you want chaos for chaos' sake.

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not at all, i could articulate but that has nothing to do with what we were talking about

you're just making assumptions and pretending you know where i'm coming from but you don't

ideals have nothing to do with what is right now, and they weren't at all relevant to what i was saying

don't assume that what i'm not telling you means that i've got nothing to say

you can have a discussion with someone you've made up i suppose, but know that's all your doing

i don't see much reason to type up my ideals when they're very insignificant to what i've said here

posted August 08, 2019 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Speaking of camps, like those that children are being kept in, in which some have also died, and the rest are being left in filth to take care of each other:

What happens to the children of all of the people who were picked up in a huge ICE raid today?

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posted August 08, 2019 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Well, since you aren't sharing, all I see is support and sympathizing with domestic terrorists, and I would say our conversation is finished on the matter.

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i'm not supporting or sympathizing, but alright

i have no reason to share, notice how i'm not grilling you about what you want to see in this country? you want to know why? because it's irrelevant to the conversation, all ideals are off the table currently because there's no room for them given what's in place (currently ideals serve to alienate and divide and there's no room for that)

i don't support these shooters because i think their manifestos and ideas are ******** , however i can see possibilities in the future for drastic changes given their existence

being able to see the potential in a negative situation is neither support or sympathizing

acknowledging that you can't judge politically based crimes the same way you do just a random shooting also isn't sympathizing or supporting it

it's just how **** works i'm just tossing out reality here and you're mistaking that for something more emotional than it is

yeah i do find possibilities intriguing and see them, just like i can look at a war in another country and go "well that's going to lead to something that's potentially beneficial longterm" do you think there's no innocents dying in those wars? of course there are, huge amounts of them, way more than the amount of people who die in mass shootings on our soil

life is life isn't it?

but we can't judge deaths in war by the same standards we'd judge someone stabbing a random person in the street or some **** , because that's nonsensical