posted August 07, 2019 05:57 PM            

@RepLeeZeldin

No community is immune from this political hate. This is happening now in NY-1 (also being placed on my staffers’ homes & cars). Between this, trying to publicly shame GOP donors here & worse, those w hate consuming their hearts are only sowing division!

posted August 07, 2019 06:58 PM            

Interesting.

posted August 07, 2019 08:40 PM            

there's violence with the far right and the far left, and neither of them (for the most part) care about the current system in place

you ever go on any of those forums they're talking about on the news that these shooters are posting on? because i've been on them for years and i've seen the slow radicalization along with a lot of other **** , and trust me the conversations going on in those places are very different than simple "democrats are going to be ****** when republicans win" type ****

edit: the current system on a federal level is terrible and it's a matter of citizens needing to get their **** together against that

voting is legit just a pacification and division tool that's why there's a 2 party system and the grouping of passion issues together in a nonsensical manner

underlying major issues have been going on for decades regardless of who's in charge so it doesn't even entirely matter who's in office that's just the show

but if you're going to look at things from a left vs right standpoint there's increasingly more radicalized extremism than you realize if you think this is just about democrats vs republicans

posted August 07, 2019 09:10 PM            

not to mention like i said it's not even like americans speak for america, voting is a pacification and division tool because underlying major issues go on regardless of who's in office

you're just voting for which show you get to watch

there's a reason why the 2 party system smashes together views on issues in ways that are completely nonsensical (pick health care or guns for example) it's to get people's passions going but the **** that really matters: militarization of police, mass surveillance, privacy invasions, mass corruption etc all stay the same regardless of which figurehead you're looking at

my point about this being beyond democrats and republicans is that your average person 35 and under is disillusioned by current system and extremists on both sides are hitting points where they're ready to fight about it

posted August 07, 2019 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Reading this, your first thought is to defend yourself.

Interesting.

I'll keep that in m8nd.

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posted August 07, 2019 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
These extremists don't speak for America.

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posted August 07, 2019 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Your popcorn snacking and lip smacking will be lacking the entertainment you are seeking. Maybe you should spend some time away from those boards, because they are not a clear representation of reality.

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the rise in violence is however a clear representation of reality

edit: and the reality is that violence is rising because of people ignoring some serious ******* issues, and a good deal of those people who are feeling ignored are the ones with nothing to lose making manifestos and going out to get attention

posted August 07, 2019 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Mass shootings are by nut jobs and have been going on long before President Trump was elected. It's a mental health issue, not a political protest. I do agree that Obama heralded in more violence with BLM being openly invited to the White House and more recently with ANTIFA, but they are exceptions, not the rule. If violent acts are committed against people OR property, those people should go to prison--no exceptions.

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i didn't say mass shootings had anything to do with trump, if you could point where you even got that from out of anything i said i'd love to know

as a matter of fact i said it goes beyond republican/democrat federal government bs

also these shootings have manifestos sometimes because they are political statements, it's not just mental illness

some of these shooters are being praised as political martyrs, you are aware of that right? this isn't just crazy people doing crazy **** , this is crazy people who believe they have purpose and cause doing crazy **** and as that escalates what will follow are people with cause who aren't that level crazy doing ****

the only reason they're choosing ineffectual targets currently is that these crimes are cries for attention

jailing offenders isn't going to fix the problem, it's slapping a band aid on a broken leg

the reality is the climate of unrest is building and it's been building for a long time, and violence has been increasing because of that

it's got **** all to do with who's in office and everything to do with changes in society and civil unrest

the blm and antifa were disorganized messes and just a beginning, now you have these shooters, and then what's going to follow

posted August 07, 2019 11:29 PM            

The fliers were hung about a month ago for a promotional video as part of a show about the consequences of extremism. They stayed up for no more than two days. The collective stressed it is not pro-Trump nor anti-Trump.

posted August 07, 2019 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Strongly disagree. I mention President Trump only because you seem to think violence has increased recently, and it hasn't. As I said, you are being influenced by the diatribe that you feed your brain by being on those sites. I will concede that we have seen the "tolerant" left show their true colors as of late, meaning tolerance as long as you think exactly as they do. But don't worry--that popcorn won't go to waste. It will be a fun 2020 election.

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there has been a rise in mass shootings over the past few years, that's just true i'm not saying it's correlated with trump it's been going on longer

it seems like you're used to discussing things with democrats and just saying "it isn't trump" but i'm not a democrat lol and i could a **** about trump or obama

yes the left and right are both responsible for mass shootings now, that's exactly my point though it's not this one sided issue and all of it is rooted in civil unrest and **** that's been building for decades

told you it's ultimately not a left or right issue it's a social one

and again not a democrat, not a leftist so you're talking the wrong person here when you go on about trump (who i never once blamed)

i'm telling you what kind of rhetoric is on those sites because those are the sites that these mass shooters are posting **** to before they commit crimes

i'm telling you there's people idolizing them who are increasingly isolated and outcasted by a society that isn't working for them, and that a fair chunk of them want something to change that the government can't provide them no matter who wins the election

and when it comes to some of them they want a body count, they want blood, they're waiting for it

it's not me being influenced by them it's me telling you how a part of the population is speaking and acting, and you can't write off an entire group of people because you want to hyper focus on "democrats" or "republicans"

i'm pointing out social trends and telling you about them, and letting you know **** 's different than what you're making it out to be because you seem very unaware of the kind of people who are doing this sort of thing

the reason why i ask if you have any kind of familiarity with them is because if you did you would understand that these shooters are martyrs to people

the reality is the likelihood of another shooting is high and the likelihood of it being politically motivated is high too

posted August 07, 2019 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
The fact is that active participants in the Revolution were a small fraction of the population. The Nazis were not the majority of Germans. Discounting extremists because they don't represent the rest of us is not really relevant; what matters is how the rest
respond to them, and baiting each other like rival football fans is not going to help.

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it might not help but it passes time well enough

and exactly my point in a climate of civil unrest the majority doesn't necessarily matter when it comes to what can happen

i mean just look at any mass shooting you get one guy into a place x amount of people die next thing you know people are freaking the **** out over a motorcycle backfiring in nyc panicking

do you know how ******* hard it is to make people panic in nyc? 9/11 the streets looked like a ******* post apocalyptic desert from all the ash and **** from the wtc and people weren't acting like that most people were relatively calm

i'm old enough to remember it well

these attacks are having a social effect, and they're having an effect in the circles these shooters spend their time in as well

posted August 08, 2019 12:07 AM            

i don't think it's going to necessarily overthrow government, i think it'll create an interesting climate and spectacle

i think it's highly possible we're too ****** for that

the ballot box does **** all though, that ballot box should just have "divide and conquer" written all over it because that's what it actually accomplishes

again major issues have continued to be pushed regardless of who's been the president or in those seats, why do you think that is? is it because your votes count? i don't think so, i think votes affect the things people are most passionate about because they're made to play emotions and keep people from seeing the bigger picture

that was mostly a joke, the popcorn thing, though i do think it'll be an interesting show and i do think that violence does sometimes accomplish things that's just how the nature of power works in reality

it's not pretty or something people like but it's true all the same

do i think that anything major will come out of either the left or right acting separately? not at all, i've said as much repeatedly

i think the possibility of it creating greater unrest and escalating is there though, just based of trends and history and such

of course they're being monitored lol everyone on those sites knows that too though is the thing, there's alleged cia documents that clearly illustrate it

you also know that the fbi in the past has investigated a shooter and then they went on to actually kill people right? that's a thing too

lone shooters are tough to stop, but what you're not understanding is no one on these sites is orchestrating anything as a group

one person might serve to inspire another and so on and so forth and then you have multiple people killing for the same cause but there's no head and there's nothing to attack

you get me? there doesn't need to be organization on the level of a group getting together and attacking like that, there just needs to be ideals and idols and that's good enough to cause some ****

posted August 08, 2019 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I do agree that many people felt victims of the system and that they had no voice. That's why Trump won.

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i get it man you got a hard on for trump to the point where you're not seeing past that, and yeah some of those people did support trump

they don't anymore though, that's changed in a big way

his most recent speeches completely shut him out as far as most of those people are concerned, so the ones he was pacifying are no longer pacified complete opposite

if i was commie troll i'd be pushing communism, but i don't believe in the government stealing from the masses and having that much control over the population

i'm just being real with you about a very large demographic of americans in the 35 and under age range

yes from an ideals standpoint i think a revolution should happen and i think that like all revolutions violence is an unavoidable element, but i think the only way anything can be truly accomplished is if people see past the divide and conquer tactics

which isn't where things are currently headed, but the potential can go either way depending on how things are handled both by the government and people

is it mentally ill to want things to be better? doubtful

it's mentally ill to go outside and shoot a bunch of civillians to get attention, and that's something i would never do

but from the context of sitting back and watching where this goes it's definitely intriguing and potentially promising

death of individuals is tragic don't get me wrong, but when you step back and look at the bigger picture things change

posted August 08, 2019 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Wrong. Killing innocent people only turns the populace against them. And it destroys the relevancy of anything that the whack jobs say that they stood for. It will never lead to any change, because by its very nature, such violence destroys the ability to garner support by the masses, effectively imploding upon itself.

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i'm not wrong, more violence will lead to more civil unrest as government crackdowns on guns (or the call for the crackdowns) becomes more important to people, there will be greater crackdowns on free speech and privacy which will cause even more distress and unrest amongst the general populace

what's going to happen is these ******* commies and nazis are going to make things worse for everyone, and in that ****** up hell these lone shooters create (because they are creating it look at the polarization) there's a chance for something good to come out of it

yeah it'll turn people against nazis and commies which is fine by me both of them have ****** authoritarian ideologies as far as i'm concerned, even better that they do end up hated (though you forget there's always a certain amount of people who will side with those who are trying to take power violently)

but it will also affect the way the government has to act and the way people react towards each other

again you seem to think i care whether or not these shooters manifestos inspire the masses, i don't, and i don't think they will

i think they'll inspire each other, and i think that will lead to some more acts of violence and i think the climate that creates will be what something interesting can come from

you're not thinking ahead you're only thinking about the shooters themselves and their ideologies which are meaningless