posted August 20, 2019 04:10 PM            

Banana Republic thinking.

This is a Constitutional Republic. We change the direction of government by changing out members of Congress and the Office Of President.

posted August 20, 2019 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
[b]you have to stamp out the enemy view points for power regardless of what you want to install afterwards

the nature of power requires a temporary suspension of ideals in order to achieve it

"Stamping out" implies physical force, which has backfired on many a government on its way out. How else do you stamp something out.. without stamping?

Also suspension of one's own ideals is self destructive even if on the face of it some of the PTB's rules coincide.

As to the brute force used by Antifa, their opposite number, Proud Boys, took a flying water bottle which apparently hit no one, as an excuse to pummel a few guys recently and despite the victims refusal to cooperate with the police, .it's the PB who are going down, convicted by video evidence apparently, and their own admissions. The PBs do their best to elicit the slightest physical response to baiting in order to cry Self Defense when they're looking for a fight.

All brave patriots, I am sure. It takes a lot more guts to protest peacefully, whichever side you're on.

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you dont have to use force to stamp things out when you limit freedoms through law (which is what randall was discussing when talking about them wanting to limit free speech) but yes violence is also an option

posted August 20, 2019 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"no it's irrelevant because making drastic sudden changes to a government requires people to go against it, just the nature of things"

Banana Republic thinking.

This is a Constitutional Republic. We change the direction of government by changing out members of Congress and the Office President.

We don't change government by sending Brown Shirted thugs into the streets to beat up anyone who disagrees with their little Socialist/Communist icons or cockeyed political theories.

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i'm aware this is a constitutional republic, and i'm also aware the government is corrupt and that you're relying heavily on a system that is largely broken

you don't need to work within a broken system for change, particularly when you want something drastically different

posted August 20, 2019 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
No, that is NOT what I was talking about. Just because a group of thugs want to limit speech doesn't make it a law. ANTIFA = Anti First Amendment

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i didn't say it was a law, i'm saying that a good deal of people are trying to push for limits on the first amendment through legal peaceful means

my bad i thought you were talking about the left in general with that **** rather than just antifa

posted August 20, 2019 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
No one is trying to restrict the First through legislation. We see it mostly from thugs on college campuses. Now, the Second is a different matter.

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posted August 20, 2019 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
How so? What proposed legislation?

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oh i didn't say the government was putting it through i'm saying that people are ******** and want it

they currently have nothing to work with but guaranteed once the 2nd amendment gets infringed on further they'll come for that next when the violence doesn't stop

because you know illegal guns exist and criminals aren't afraid to get them

though even hate speech laws shouldn't exist to be fair

fines for certain words for example, or massive censorship

it's less in your face than altering the 2nd amendment and the cries for gun control but what you can and can't say is definitely being limited and focused on

edit: also **** like being able to be arrested for saying "kill yourself" to someone now

posted August 20, 2019 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
As per a landmark SCOTUS ruling in Brandenburg v. Ohio, hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. There have been several SCOTUS cases since that have reaffirned the Bradenburg ruling.

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well you're the one who went to law school, that's beautiful though

that being said if you pay attention to public outcry that's really not what a lot of people want

edit: or at least not around here, i'm happy to be out nyc where **** 's so much worse with gun control and all that nonsense at least it gets worse there every time i go back to visit

the only exception is the way they handle drugs now

should see the ******* cops in some of the train stations though armed to the ******* teeth with military grade weapons, random searches are on the subway etc and so on

the left basically owns the city, and it shows

posted August 21, 2019 11:29 AM            

you don't need to work within a broken system for change, particularly when you want something drastically different"

Is the government corrupt?
How is the government corrupt?
Or, are some people in government corrupt?

Explain how the 'system is broken'.
Your vote doesn't count?
Voter fraud cancels your vote?
You are prevented from voting?
People you vote for break their campaign promises?

What is that something drastically different from a Constitutional Republic?

posted August 21, 2019 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
I can understand why fascists don't like antifa

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posted August 21, 2019 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"and i'm also aware the government is corrupt and that you're relying heavily on a [b]system that is largely broken

you don't need to work within a broken system for change, particularly when you want something drastically different"

Is the government corrupt?
How is the government corrupt?
Or, are some people in government corrupt?

Explain how the 'system is broken'.
Your vote doesn't count?
Voter fraud cancels your vote?
You are prevented from voting?
People you vote for break their campaign promises?

What is that something drastically different from a Constitutional Republic?

Want to give Communism a try?
Want to give Anarchy a try? [/B]

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i wonder why i have to repeatedly tell you i'm not a communist

also anarchy can't exist longterm it's a temporary state of things that exists before people build structures so there's not really any "trying" it

my views on antifa have nothing to do with their ideals (which i stated i disagreed with) just like i'm fully capable of acknowledging hitler's charisma, impressive rise to power etc and so on

because i don't have to 100% agree or like something or someone in order to be capable of seeing where they're right and where they're wrong based on my personal standards

when i say the system corrupt i'm referring to the fact that we exist in a world where the government is allowed to invade privacy through mass surveillance and militarize the police force

i say it because these things have been building and going that way with the balance of power regardless of whether someone has been in office that's been on the left or the right and goes back decades

i'm sure there's a mix of people in the government who are varying degrees of good or corrupt, but i think that's ultimately irrelevant when you look at the bigger picture

i think federal government has far too much power over individual states etc and so on i could keep going

posted August 21, 2019 03:43 PM            

Fascist is not the same as a$$hole. Alot of the antifa are nut bags and extremists. They are chaotic and anarchists, really the opposite of fascists. Both agree that violence is acceptable, which it is most certainly NOT.

Please see definition of fascism:

posted August 21, 2019 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:
Fascists are about order and the dominance of an authoritarian, you are confused about the definition of fascism.

Fascist is not the same as a$$hole. Alot of the antifa are nut bags and extremists. They are chaotic and anarchists, really the opposite of fascists. Both agree that violence is acceptable, which it is most certainly NOT.

Please see definition of fascism:

Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3]

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posted August 21, 2019 03:48 PM            

So then instead fascism becomes a word that means "monster" or "a$$hole", but it means someone who supports far right wing nationalistic dictatorships, thats what it means.

You could probably have fascism without burning a bunch of people but apparently extreme right and left wing ideologies lead to these problems, look at russia and chinas past.

posted August 23, 2019 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by BlueRoamer:

Extreme politics and authoritariasm are NOT healthy.[/B]

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Isolated, no they are not. But they do get shiiit done. Sometimes, BR, you need a Sulla.

posted August 23, 2019 06:51 PM            

Facebook, Twitter, Google and Instagram are invading your rights to privacy far more than any government program.

posted August 23, 2019 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"when i say the system corrupt i'm referring to the fact that we exist in a world where the government is allowed to invade privacy through mass surveillance and militarize the police force"

Facebook, Twitter, Google and Instagram are invading your rights to privacy far more than any government program.

Police forces have found themselves out-gunned in many confrontations with criminals. So, if you're talking about police wearing body armor and special threat personnel carrying MP-5s and/or .308 sniper rifles, you're moaning to the wrong guy.

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it's pretty equal but yes they do (facebook and instagram are both the same now btw)

posted August 23, 2019 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Isolated, no they are not. But they do get shiiit done. Sometimes, BR, you need a Sulla.

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Why does brother blue need french honeysuckle?

posted August 23, 2019 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Why does brother blue need french honeysuckle?

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*sigh* Crazy aquarian humor