posted August 19, 2019 04:37 PM            

it does take courage to go out into the street and be willing to fight or jailed etc for what you believe in

posted August 19, 2019 06:27 PM            

it's senseless to pretend that a mask cancels out action and actually being out there

i don't think being declared a terrorist organization means that a group is full of cowards, terrorism is political crime done by passionate people putting themselves on the line for their ideals

posted August 19, 2019 07:35 PM            

you're just stereptyping them the way you want in order to paint a specific picture of them because you think that somehow gives you ground to stand on

what they do for a living isn't even relevant to what they're doing as an organization, so you're taking something unrelated that you think gives a person value and then projecting that onto an entire group of people to look down on them

notice how i said "and lives"? you didn't focus on that bit at all only the job part

interesting that you fixated on that ignoring things like people having families and whatnot as well

fact is it isn't cowardice to go outside and fight and risk your freedom for your beliefs

cowards are people who run when **** goes down

the occupy wall street movement was largely ineffectual as well but in a more passive way and i find it interesting that you're anti protests, demonstrations, and people fighting for their beliefs

posted August 19, 2019 07:48 PM            

No one has a right to kick, punch, pepper spray, tase or otherwise launch a physical attack on another...no matter how passionately they feel about their issue.

I notice these morons never attempt this kind of bullshiite unless they're in a large group. Cowards is right.

I'm with Randall. Put these ANTIFA thugs in prison.

This is what protesters have a 'legal right' to do.

1st Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

posted August 19, 2019 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
There are some here with serious misunderstandings.

No one has a right to kick, punch, pepper spray, tase or otherwise launch a physical attack on another...no matter how passionately they feel about their issue.

I notice these morons never attempt this kind of bullshiite unless they're in a large group. Cowards is right.

I'm with Randall. Put these ANTIFA thugs in prison.

This is what protesters have a 'legal right' to do.

1st Amendment
[b]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now, in context.
"Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people PEACEABLY to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/B]

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i didn't say they had a right to do anything, but what people do and don't have a "right" to do is irrelevant

they work as a group yes, as organizations generally do

though that being said you don't know how they behave as individuals or what they do elsewhere, avoid useless projection

like i said they're poorly organized and i don't agree with their targets and methods necessarily, that doesn't change the reality that they're putting themselves on the line for their beliefs

i find the law rather irrelevant when it comes to organizations that wish to take a system down rather than work in it, you don't?

you're legit strawmanning by even bringing up the law anyway

because i never claimed they obeyed the law as a matter of fact i was discussing terrorism and grouped them in, so the last part of what you said is completely irrelevant

it doesn't matter what protestors have the legal right to do when a group is operating outside of the law

i don't need the first amendment quoted at me (my reference to a more peaceful demonstration was me talking about the occupy wall street movement not antifa, occupy wall street was largely ineffectual sign waving drum circles and other typical pacifist ******** ) it holds no weight here

now personally i don't think following the law is necessarily a meaningful way to protest or do anything of value if you want to get into my own opinion

posted August 19, 2019 10:34 PM            

i see little point in keeping things lawful if your actual goal is change personally, but i agree their targets are stupid and they use ineffectual means

they're flailing around like the mass shooters with political agendas do just lashing out disorganized and incapable of striking anything worthwhile as a result

posted August 19, 2019 10:55 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by jwhop:
There are some here with serious misunderstandings.

No one has a right to kick, punch, pepper spray, tase or otherwise launch a physical attack on another...no matter how passionately they feel about their issue.

I notice these morons never attempt this kind of bullshiite unless they're in a large group. Cowards is right.

I'm with Randall. Put these ANTIFA thugs in prison.

This is what protesters have a 'legal right' to do.

1st Amendment
[b]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now, in context.
"Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people PEACEABLY to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[/B]

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Exactly right! Mob violence is cowardice. I'd love to see them resist arrest.

posted August 19, 2019 11:01 PM            

there are many forms of authoritarian government fascism is one of them, and there's authoritarian communism, third position etc

they all share similar ideology when it comes to control, but they aren't one in the same

calling things that aren't even close to fascism fascist is misleading and doesn't actually work

it's like someone calling everyone they disagree with hitler

antifa is authoritarian communist likely with the idea of winding down "post revolution" to something closer to marxism (dissolving the state) i went over this in the other thread though in more detail so if you want to look there that would be much easier than me typing everything again

you're just straight up using wrong terminology here though, actual fascism is entirely different in regards to economics and nationalism etc

yes they're not the government, what does that have to do with anything? are we only supposed to obey and fall in line with systems that have been in place before we were born if we truly disagree and feel like it's wrong that they exist in the manner they do?

that seems senseless

posted August 20, 2019 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
And they actually were quite organized, though they pretended not to be. George Soros funded them through various groups. You should have seen all the rhetoric here about how they were going to change America. Cold weather arrived, and reality set in for them.

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i dont know why anyone thought occupy wall street was going to do **** all tbh i remember watching the protests with my ex fiancee and telling her it was going to amount to ****

she had actually wanted to go and got mad at me when i called it what it was

for the most part people at occupy wall street were being passive and so on

as for being funded some groups were/are but a lot of it was just college students who thought waving a sign and sitting in a drum circle was them being "political" and "rebellious" and they needed to get it out of their system

i'm aware of the george soros antifa connection however i've also seen their work so i'm just going to call it like it is ineffectual ******** and a waste of money

also that intolerance isnt limited to fascism and is also just the nature of seizing control on some level

you have to stamp out the enemy view points for power regardless of what you want to install afterwards

posted August 20, 2019 01:42 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Randall:
And then there are idiots like the Dem representative from New Mexico, Debra Haaland, who said ANTIFA are peaceful protesters. That's a special kind of stupid.

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posted August 20, 2019 11:03 AM            

Only irrelevant if they're not sitting in a prison cell or awaiting trial with attendant attorney fees piling up.

posted August 20, 2019 02:29 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"i didn't say they had a right to do anything, but what people do and don't have a "right" to do is irrelevant"

Only irrelevant if they're not sitting in a prison cell or awaiting trial with attendant attorney fees piling up.

There is a way to break these thugs criminal habits. Start at the top and charge them with criminal conspiracy and go all the way down through the ranks of their organization(s).

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no it's irrelevant because making drastic sudden changes to a government requires people to go against it, just the nature of things

posted August 20, 2019 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
The Czechs, and Slovakians, might disagree that transitions need to be violent. Or that force on the part of the state ends dissent and change, even rapid change

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to be fair violence has also historically worked

posted August 20, 2019 03:37 PM            

the nature of power requires a temporary suspension of ideals in order to achieve it

"Stamping out" implies physical force, which has backfired on many a government on its way out. How else do you stamp something out.. without stamping?

Also suspension of one's own ideals is self destructive even if on the face of it some of the PTB's rules coincide.

As to the brute force used by Antifa, their opposite number, Proud Boys, took a flying water bottle which apparently hit no one, as an excuse to pummel a few guys recently and despite the victims refusal to cooperate with the police, .it's the PB who are going down, convicted by video evidence apparently, and their own admissions. The PBs do their best to elicit the slightest physical response to baiting in order to cry Self Defense when they're looking for a fight.

All brave patriots, I am sure. It takes a lot more guts to protest peacefully, whichever side you're on.