posted August 22, 2019 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Who is more supportive of Israel, Democrats or Republicans? The Jewish people should not vote Democrat, and the 2020 election will see such a shift.

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jewish americans shouldnt vote with israel's best interests in mind they should vote on what they think is best for america (pretending left or right really matters)

it's disloyal to the country theyre in otherwise

i don't think supporting israel's human rights violations or again the reality that it shouldn't even exist is disloyalty to their people because as americans their people should be other americans that's the truth of it

if you're an american citizen other americans are your people and it's really that cut and dry

it's not like israel is this country where their roots are at like that either (at least not most likely given its creation in 1948) you can say jewish people lived in the middle east historically but israel was a creation not a country in that state for centuries

and the basis on their faith of them having a right to it is pure ******** given the reality of it only becoming jewish land to that extent post ww2

the shift in religion of the area to islam happened well before then

that being said i'm not pro islam as a religion i'm personally anti all abrahamic faiths (though i have tolerance for individuals who practice them) which includes islam, judaism, and christianity all at the same time so i'm not a muslim sympathizer here

the middle east in general is a ******* wreck

either way support for israel shouldn't be a prerequisite for being jewish, trump said that because he's an israeli lap dog at the end of the day (look @teasel i'm criticizing trump, this is that "blind worship" you mentioned to me in action) and wants to shame a group of people into supporting a country that shouldn't exist

posted August 22, 2019 10:27 AM            

to say jews are meant to be loyal to another country based on their religion makes no sense

of course israel will defend itself now that it's been established, my point is it shouldn't have been in the first place

posted August 22, 2019 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It was the greatest thing since sliced bread! President Trump MASTERFULLY controlled the media like Pied Piper.

For those who didn't see it and may be inclined to believe BS fake news, what President Trump was referring to is that someone had to take on China, and he's the one to do it. Yes, President Trump, I chose you!

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Yes, candidate Trump campaigned on straightening out trade, theft of intellectual property, China ripping off America for more thane $500 Billion in trade deficits annually AND we CHOSE Trump to get the job done. President Trump is The Chosen One!

posted August 22, 2019 10:58 AM            

i don't take back my statements about altering the government here, my views on israel are 100% separate than my views on american citizens doing what it takes to fix their country

the creation of israel was controversial to begin with and had nothing to do with people of the region (whose homeland it actually was) taking control of it to create change

again i don't believe voting does much other than alter the show and change passion issues, that being said:

i'm pro the anti israel rhetoric and i'm also against illegal immigrants being allowed to stay in this country

like i said i don't see jewish american loyalty to israel as actual loyalty, because it's not their country

posted August 22, 2019 05:26 PM            

As to the greatest thing since sliced bread please tell me why this farce about buying Greenland from Denmark?? Greenland doesnt belong to Denmark. Does he really not know that, or is he knowingly starting a fight over nothing? If so, why? He has said many much nastier things about our supposed Allies, is he so insecure he cant handle the truth? It truly is absurd to try to buy a country from another country...

Amongst other distortions of truth in this "greatest" appearance, this is the most glaring, and, frankly, absurd.

posted August 22, 2019 07:41 PM            

The worst kind of anti-Semitic horseshiite.

posted August 22, 2019 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"to be fair funding should be cut to israel and [b]to be even more fair israel shouldn't even exist to begin with"

The worst kind of anti-Semitic horseshiite.

So, tell us Mr. Anti-Semite, what should the nation of Israel be called and what people should live there?[/B]

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i can be anti israel without being anti jew, there's plenty of jews elsewhere, and they existed long before israel did

the reality is that since its creation israel has done a shitton of horrible things, and its existence in the first place resulted in a huge displacement of people and has since resulted in war and human rights violations etc and so on

it exists now so obviously destroying it isnt going to happen, however does that mean it shouldve? no

how is being agaisnt israel anti semitic if i have nothing against jewish people in general? at the end of the day most individuals are just people

it's interesting though how any criticism so frequently amounts to being called an anti semite, cant imagine why that is

sort of like people questioning the holocaust death toll numbers being a crime (in spite of evidence suggesting it was less and also that a fair amount of the deaths were related to factors that weren't mass extermination, and let's not forget that jews werent the only people in those camps we just gloss over everyone else) in certain places

posted August 22, 2019 08:40 PM            

You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. But your anti-Semitic rant is noted.

AND, you ducked my question.

posted August 22, 2019 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"i can be anti israel without being anti jew, there's plenty of jews elsewhere, and they existed long before israel did"

You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. But your anti-Semitic rant is noted.

AND, you ducked my question.

What should the land known as Israel be called and what people should inhabit that land?

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it's an irrelevant point currently given what's already there

israel is not the jewish people as a whole, it's a jewish state yes but jews are both a race and a religion and very varied

to call me anti semitic is really pushing it because again, nothing against jews as a whole, my issues with israel and such have nothing to do with your average jewish person

jews did exist before the state of israel, israel came into existence post ww2, displaced a bunch of people and moved jews into the area

you can't tell me an ancient religion and race of people only came into existence in 1948 which is the only way that statement would be false

posted August 22, 2019 11:50 PM            

A ridiculous answer that since not all Jews reside in Israel, Israel doesn't need to exist. Name one nation where all the people who call themselves natives of that nation live there! Just one. Or, admit that any nation where, if all the people associated with it don't live within it's borders, that nation or nations don't need to exist either.

Let's see:
We've got African Americans
We've got Italian Americans
We've got German Americans
We've got French Americans
We've got Mexican Americans

So, one must presume you'd do away with African nations, Italy, Germany, France and Mexico too. But, since you singled out Israel, the anti-Semite label sticks to you.

You have no idea what Israel even means.
You have no idea when the word 'jews' came on the scene or even what the word means.

AND, again, you ducked the question. If you're incapable of answering the question, just say so.

posted August 23, 2019 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"israel is not the jewish people as a whole, it's a jewish state yes but jews are both a race and a religion and very varied"

A ridiculous answer that since not all Jews reside in Israel, Israel doesn't need to exist. Name one nation where [b]all the people who call themselves natives of that nation live there! Just one. Or, admit that any nation where, if all the people associated with it don't live within it's borders, that nation or nations don't need to exist either.

Let's see:
We've got African Americans
We've got Italian Americans
We've got German Americans
We've got French Americans
We've got Mexican Americans

So, one must presume you'd do away with African nations, Italy, Germany, France and Mexico too. But, since you singled out Israel, the anti-Semite label sticks to you.

You have no idea what Israel even means.
You have no idea when the word 'jews' came on the scene or even what the word means.

AND, again, you ducked the question. If you're incapable of answering the question, just say so.

If Israelis are not your choice to occupy the territory known as Israel, who is? [/B]

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clearly the people they displaced to create it should have been there

and no i don't hate jews just because i'm anti-israel again that's a ridiculous statement

and you're twisting my words i said israel shouldn't have been created in 1948 because not only has it created a shitload of conflict but it wasn't a nation prior to that, its creation displaced a bunch of people and the wars going on there and the human rights violations etc are a direct result of that decision

i never said "israel doesnt need to exist because not all jews live there" so all of the other **** you just said makes no sense given what i actually said

which was simply that i'm not anti-semetic for being anti-israel because israel is not the whole of the jewish people

if i had issues with policies in any of the other countries you listed i wouldn't be anti- those people as individuals i might be anti-their country's government however

i singled out israel because israel was brought up before i even mentioned it

again calling someone an anti-semite implies they're anti jew which is not the same as being against israeli policy

the reality is the word "jew" was used prior to 1948 (when the state of israel was created) and i know what the word means

i do know what jews are

you really should pay better attention to context because you twist and then ***** about what's said while making all kinds of untrue claims

you implied i was communist before, and i'm not i clearly stated some of my views in the other thread that are very much right wing

and now you're calling me an anti semite which isn't true, a person can disagree with israel without being an anti semite that's insane that you even equate the two

but i guess that's just how people are trained to a certain extent, so it makes sense

posted August 23, 2019 01:10 AM            

You mean the Canaanites?

"and no i don't hate jews just because i'm anti-israel again that's a ridiculous statement"

Nothing is more hateful than attempting to deprive a nation of people of their ancient homeland.

"and you're twisting my words i said israel shouldn't have been created in 1948 because not only has it created a shitload of conflict but it wasn't a nation prior to that, its creation displaced a bunch of people and the wars going on there and the human rights violations etc are a direct result of that decision"

Ignorance. Israel became a nation about 900 BC. More ignorance. Israel shouldn't be a nation because their Arab neighbors attack them.

"i never said "israel doesnt need to exist because not all jews live there" so all of the other **** you just said makes no sense given what i actually said"

You said Israel IS NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE AS A WHOLE. An expedient answer to say since they don't all live in Israel, Israel doesn't need to exist.

"which was simply that i'm not anti-semetic for being anti-israel because israel is not the whole of the jewish people"

Exactly. And since Jewish people live in other countries, Israel doesn't need to exist.

"if i had issues with policies in any of the other countries you listed i wouldn't be anti- those people as individuals i might be anti-their country's government however"

Did you have any issues with Germany for starting World Wars I and II?

Do you have any issues with the genocides in African nations?

Do you have any issues with the corrupt government of Mexico exporting their population to the US..oh, and exporting drugs to the US to kill Americans?

"i singled out israel because israel was brought up before i even mentioned it"

You singled out Israel because you're an anti-Semite. Your moaning and sniveling about so called human rights violations...against your preferred Islamic terrorists is just further proof.

"again calling someone an anti-semite implies they're anti jew which is not the same as being against israeli policy"

Protecting their citizens from Islamic terrorist attacks is a policy of which you disapprove? Just who the hell do you think is making Israeli policy, the French?

"the reality is the word "jew" was used prior to 1948 (when the state of israel was created) and i know what the word means"

You have no clue what the word Jew means and you have no clue when the nation of Israel came into being.

"i do know what jews are"

Well, I'm waiting for you to spell it out. Go for it.

"you implied i was communist before, and i'm not i clearly stated some of my views in the other thread that are very much right wing"

Anarcho-socialist

posted August 23, 2019 02:02 AM            

yeah the state of israel is not the entirety of jewish people i can criticize the country without hating an entire race/religion

again that's not what about why israel shouldn't exist

are you supporting the human rights violations israel is committing?

i actually really dislike the islamic religion and am perfectly comfortable with **** like the muslim ban in all honesty (in america)

i'm far closer to being anarcho capitalist than i am an anarcho socialist

for one i believe in private property, for another i think capitalism is perfectly acceptable, for another i disagree that anarcho socialism can even exist on any level because there's zero structure so outside of a small commune it's absolutely senseless

i'm not a socialist at all because i don't believe the government should be taxing people to take care of the masses while cutting any chance an individual has of achieving more

i could go on

i'm fine with landlords and all kinds of other **** socialists aren't

so what are you talking about?

just because i know a lot about socialism (my ex fiancee was a communist) doesn't mean that i agree with it

posted August 23, 2019 11:51 AM            

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/458544-el-paso-hospital-denies-trump-claim-of-doctors-leaving-or-to?fbclid=IwAR2DESVA5NPWFdWOtfOVIG6WK2OGlktPKwCXpfMvvkMYDSZpSs_RNT hDtBo

posted August 23, 2019 01:07 PM            

Taking a moment to wish Happy Birthday to Duzumi today (Aug23)

posted August 23, 2019 07:24 PM            

Added a couple of words to your statement I see.

Israel existed as a separate kingdom starting in about 900 BC. Members of the tribe of Judah have occupied that land almost continuously since.

The word Jew is derived from the word Judah. Germans called them Juden. While I'm on that subject, I noticed in one of your posts that you contest the number of Jews killed by Nazi Germany in WWII. Are you attempting to say you're a holocaust denier?

Israel derives it's name from one of the grandsons of Abraham, Jacob, whom God renamed Israel. Loose translation of the name Israel is...He who prevails with God.

Now, if you wanted the land of Israel returned to the Canaanites, from whom it was taken, you might have a secular argument...though not a Biblical one. Arabs have no claim on the land...as a whole...for a nation. Though Arabs live within Israel and have maintained ownership of their individual plots of land.

posted August 23, 2019 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Happy Solar Return!

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thanks, not sure what to make of it based on the solar return chart this year though the libra ascendant falls in my 12th conjunct my natal venus, have moon in the 8th (square a sun, venus, mars stellium trine pluto) pluto in the 4th loosely conjunct the ic, saturn on the ic uranus in the 7th (trine the sun,venus, mars stellium at least) north node on the midheaven etc

should be an interesting year i guess

posted August 23, 2019 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"the state of israel didn't exist [b]as is until 1948 "ancient homeland"

Added a couple of words to your statement I see.

Israel existed as a separate kingdom starting in about 900 BC. Members of the tribe of Judah have occupied that land almost continuously since.

The word Jew is derived from the word Judah. Germans called them Juden. While I'm on that subject, I noticed in one of your posts that you contest the number of Jews killed by Nazi Germany in WWII. Are you attempting to say you're a holocaust denier?

Israel derives it's name from one of the grandsons of Abraham, Jacob, whom God renamed Israel. Loose translation of the name Israel is...He who prevails with God.

Now, if you wanted the land of Israel returned to the Canaanites, from whom it was taken, you might have a secular argument...though not a Biblical one. Arabs have no claim on the land...as a whole...for a nation. Though Arabs live within Israel and have maintained ownership of their individual plots of land.

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it doesnt really matter what existed in 900 bc as far as civilizations go, again thats like being italian and taking over ancient roman territory

im talking about people being displaced to create israel in its current state as of 1948 (a year i cited repeatedly)

im not a holocaust denier no, but the number is questionable and there's also evidence that suggests a portion of the deaths being due to things that werent execution

stating that isn't the same as denying the holocaust altogether, and pointing out that there are laws elsewhere where you cant question things isnt the same either

i do find those laws somewhat questionable along with things like people being trained to see criticizing the state of israel as "anti semitism"

a flood of people being moved into the land didnt have a claim to it

the history of the name israel is unnecessary and irrelevant

posted August 23, 2019 11:25 PM            

BS, Israelis have been on that land for the better part of 3000 years Mr. anti-Semite.

Tell me Mr. anti-Semite, since there's been lots of wars/turmoil/strife involving Egypt, should Egypt disband as a country and let another people inhabit their country? Egypt has been around as a nation longer than the Israelis.

If not, why not?

posted August 23, 2019 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"it doesnt really matter what existed in 900 bc as far as civilizations go, again thats like being italian and taking over ancient roman territory"

BS, Israelis have been on that land for the better part of 3000 years Mr. anti-Semite.

Tell me Mr. anti-Semite, since there's been lots of wars/turmoil/strife involving Egypt, should Egypt disband as a country and let another people inhabit their country? Egypt has been around as a nation longer than the Israelis.

If not, why not?

Happy Birthday.

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thank you

the flood of jews into the state of israel post ww2 wasnt exactly people living on that land for 3000 years

but you know that