posted March 30, 2020 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Meanwhile, I was told at work the other night that I was expected to go take care of a suspected coronavirus patient without an N-95. A simple flu mask would suffice...one mask...for the entire thirteen hour shift.

I don't care who did it or how it happened. Now is not the time for politics or blaming. We need masks, now. If they want nurses and doctors to LIVE through this pandemic so that they can take care of all of these critically ill people, our government needs to find them and deliver them ASAP.

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🙏 take care, stubbornvirgo. and thank you.

posted March 31, 2020 08:38 PM            

We're re-using N-95s, currently. It's not safe, it's not what we were taught to do at all, but there's a limited supply available to us. The majority of our masks have been "locked up" by admin. We're told that we don't need them. When my current N-95 wears out, I suppose I will double my flu masks.

We're also taking things into our own hands...one girl I work with is making her own N-95 masks with home materials. She's handing them out for free, knowing full and well that we're no where near our "peak" of COVID cases and that we will likely completely run out before we ever get there.

Instead of arguing whose responsible for the shortage, how about volunteering your own N-95s to your local hospitals? Or offer to make cloth masks for nurses and doctors. Donate gloves, hand sanitizer, or soap if you have extra. Order food for them and have it delivered - many of our cafeterias and cafes inside our hospitals have been "shut down" since they're not considered essential. Or just write your governor or congressman and express how concerned you are about the shortage. Hell, send us a thank you card, if you can't do anything else. Appreciation cannot be underscored during this crisis. The mood on many units is very morbid right now. We know that every time we go into these rooms, we're risking our lives and that of our families. A lot of us are self-isolating from our families to protect them. We can't even hug, fist bump, or shake hands with our coworkers during this time. Any little thing helps to improve our morale and give us hope.

posted April 05, 2020 08:41 AM            

A neat pattern I found online for a reversible cap with ties:

posted April 06, 2020 02:44 PM            

USA Today conducted a fact check Friday in which the media outlet declared as true the claim that the Obama administration failed to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it had run out in the wake of past health crises.

On Wednesday, President Donald Trump said during the White House coronavirus daily briefing that the nation's Strategic National Stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE), such as N95 masks, had been nearly depleted when he assumed office.

In the previous week, the Daily Wire had published an article that claimed the Obama administration had failed to restock the supply of masks after the H1N1 health emergency:

The Obama administration significantly depleted the federal stockpile of N95 respirator masks to deal with the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009 and never rebuilt the stockpile despite calls to do so, according to reports.

According to USA Today:

We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the country's ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded......

posted April 06, 2020 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I don’t like all of the political garbage surrounding this pandemic, either. I just want people to freaking unite together already and find some real solutions to these problems so we can stop the spread.

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It's absolutely disgusting and contemptible that democrats are attempting to politicize this medical emergency and use it as a weapon against Trump....including democrats here.

posted April 06, 2020 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
It's absolutely disgusting and contemptible that democrats are attempting to politicize this medical emergency and use it as a weapon against Trump....including democrats here.

I've had it.

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You're politicizing it with this thread. Trump politicized it at his rallies. I'd had it a long time ago. Now my dad is an essential worker, which means we still get to put food on the table, but he has to be very careful every day. I said I was done a month ago, just because the political field was back to being business as usual. People get to be ****** about this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/navarro-warning-trump-coronavirus.html

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A top White House adviser starkly warned Trump administration officials in late January that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.

The warning, written in a memo by Peter Navarro, President Trump’s trade adviser, is the highest-level alert known to have circulated inside the West Wing as the administration was taking its first substantive steps to confront a crisis that had already consumed China’s leaders and would go on to upend life in Europe and the United States.

“The lack of immune protection or an existing cure or vaccine would leave Americans defenseless in the case of a full-blown coronavirus outbreak on U.S. soil,” Mr. Navarro’s memo said. “This lack of protection elevates the risk of the coronavirus evolving into a full-blown pandemic, imperiling the lives of millions of Americans.”

Dated Jan. 29, it came during a period when Mr. Trump was playing down the risks to the United States, and he would later go on to say that no one could have predicted such a devastating outcome.

Mr. Navarro said in the memo that the administration faced a choice about how aggressive to be in containing an outbreak, saying the human and economic costs would be relatively low if it turned out to be a problem along the lines of a seasonal flu.

But he went on to emphasize that the “risk of a worst-case pandemic scenario should not be overlooked” given the information coming from China.

In one worst-case scenario cited in the memo, more than a half-million Americans could die.

The memo was dated the same day that Mr. Trump named a White House task force to deal with the threat, and as the administration was weighing whether to bar some travelers from China, an option being pushed by Mr. Navarro.

Mr. Trump would approve the limits on travel from China the next day, though it would be weeks before he began taking more aggressive steps to head off spread of the virus.

Questions about Mr. Trump’s handling of the crisis, especially in its early days when he suggested it was being used by Democrats to undercut his re-election prospects, are likely to define his presidency. Mr. Navarro’s memo is evidence that some in the upper ranks of the administration had at least considered the possibility of the outbreak turning into something far more serious than Mr. Trump was acknowledging publicly at the time.

Neither Mr. Navarro nor spokespeople for the White House responded to requests for comment.

The memo, which was reviewed by The New York Times, was sent from Mr. Navarro to the National Security Council and then distributed to several officials across the administration, people familiar with the events said. It reached a number of top officials as well as aides to Mick Mulvaney, then the acting chief of staff, they said, but it was unclear whether Mr. Trump saw it.

Mr. Navarro is a well-established China hawk who has long been mistrustful of the country’s government and trade practices. Both Mr. Navarro and Matthew Pottinger, the chief deputy at the National Security Council, were among the few officials urging colleagues in January to take a harder line in relation to the growing threat of the coronavirus.

But their warnings were seen by other officials as primarily reflecting their concerns about China’s behavior — and their concerns look more prescient in hindsight than they actually were, other officials argue.

With the subject line “Impose Travel Ban on China?” Mr. Navarro opened the memo by writing, “If the probability of a pandemic is greater than roughly 1%, a game-theoretic analysis of the coronavirus indicates the clear dominant strategy is an immediate travel ban on China.”

Mr. Navarro concluded at one point: “Regardless of whether the coronavirus proves to be a pandemic-level outbreak, there are certain costs associated with engaging in policies to contain and mitigate the spread of the disease. The most readily available option to contain the spread of the outbreak is to issue a travel ban to and from the source of the outbreak, namely, mainland China.”

He suggested that under an “aggressive” containment scenario, a travel ban may need to last as long as 12 months for proper containment, a duration of time that at that point some White House aides saw as unsustainable.

The travel limits subsequently imposed by Mr. Trump did not entirely ban travel from China, and many travelers from the country continued to stream into the United States.

Mr. Navarro was at odds with medical experts like Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who had argued that such travel bans only delay the eventual spread.

Mr. Navarro alluded to that debate on Saturday during a separate argument with Dr. Fauci in the Situation Room about whether the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was effective in treating or preventing the virus, according to two people familiar with the events.

In the memo, Mr. Navarro cautioned that it was “unlikely the introduction of the coronavirus into the U.S. population in significant numbers will mimic a ‘seasonal flu’ event with relatively low contagion and mortality rates.”

He noted the history of pandemic flus and suggested the chances were elevated for one after the new pathogen had developed in China.

“This historical precedent alone should be sufficient to prove the need to take aggressive action to contain the outbreak,” he wrote, going on to say the early estimates of how easily the virus was spreading supported the possibility that the risks were even greater than the history of flu pandemics suggested.

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posted April 07, 2020 12:22 AM            

And in late January, President Trump cut off all airline traffic from China...followed by cutting off air travel from Europe...including the UK and Ireland as well as Iran.

He then stood up The All America response to coronavirus, orders for critical medical supplies were cut, businesses were brought into the White House and persuaded to convert factories to manufacturing medical supplies and equipment. He organized the Coronavirus Task Force and put the most capable administrator in the administration in charge...VP Mike Pence.

Because President Trump acted quickly and decisively across a very broad scope of planning and operations, the American death toll estimated at possibly to be up to 2.6 million Americans isn't going to happen. Further estimates based on the planned mitigation of coronavirus was just reduced from the 100,000-250,000 range down to 89,000 and the actual number of deaths will likely be far lower than even that reduced estimate.

posted April 07, 2020 12:48 AM            

Too bad 400,000 chinese travelled to and fro by air by then to US.

posted April 07, 2020 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
No he hasn't. You won't ever give an inch. I know better than to even try to talk to you.

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I never give in to lies.

President Trump virtually shut down the American economy, risking his reelection this year to save millions of American lives.
Obama, Biden, Hillary The Corrupt or Bernie The Commie would have let coronavirus burn itself out. Millions would have died.

posted April 07, 2020 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
It's absolutely disgusting and contemptible that democrats are attempting to politicize this medical emergency and use it as a weapon against Trump....including democrats here.

I've had it.

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I’m not sure who you’re referring to in this thread. My focus has and always will be on maintaining the safety of frontline healthcare workers. I for one find it incredibly frustrating that where people should show some compassion and concern for the danger their fellow humans are facing, there instead is finger pointing and blaming. I’m glad this generation has never seen a world war and I hope they never do.

I can point to several articles you’ve alluded to already on this subject, blaming prior political leaders for our current crisis.

posted April 07, 2020 02:41 PM            

I pointed you in the right direction in an earlier post. You ignored that and here you are again.

Here's some hints.

Trump's Coronavirus Bungle

In 2018 Trump cut CDC and pandemic response funds

Trump and the people he hired-in are unqualified to run Government.

Too bad that soooo many Americans will die and ARE dying because of incompetent people in key government positions.

He needs to be immediately removed from office, along with anyone he hired.

They're all right, and his racist ass shouldn't have been given air time this evening.

Obama had a pandemic unit in place, who would have been really useful, and Trump fired them.

Trump politicized it at his rallies

A top White House adviser starkly warned Trump administration officials in late January that the coronavirus crisis could cost the United States trillions of dollars and put millions of Americans at risk of illness or death.

There doesn't seem to be any plan or organization here

Whos in charge a Wallaby?

He apparently put off testing, because he wanted the numbers to be kept low, so that it wouldn't hurt his re-election

This is a cold cruel form of government where his re election chances come before lives.

Trump deliberately allowed COVID-19 to spread by calling it a Hoax for two whole weeks

Trump ignored pleas since January

Trump messed this big time by underestimating the CoronaVirus after taking one excellent step of stopping incoming flights from China

Remember when Trump said that the coronavirus was a democrat hoax?

Trump is currently lying about a GM plant here in Ohio, insulting reporters as usual, and is telling the VP to not talk to governors who are not “nice”. As in: stressed governors who are angry and being denied help.

He’s more concerned about ratings. That’s what is on his mind.

They considered having us ride it out, until they heard that two million could die.