posted October 18, 2020 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Let us not pretend that every time people have sex, they are thinking about long term repercussions. In an ideal world, people would, but in reality many do not.

Raising a child is a 18 year long term repercussion. Some will be up to the challenge, some will not be and will do a crappy job, neglecting and/or abusing the child they are forced to raise.

If someone is irresponsible enough to not think about the consequences of having sex, what makes you think they are responsible enough to decently raise a child that they are forced to have? Or do we not give a fig about the life of abused children raised by messed up parents?

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This position leads us to state approved parenthood. The often semi joked about "license to parent"

Further, I'm sure we all know men and woman who were surprised by and not on board the prospect of having children, yet rose to the challenge and became good parents. Conversely, do we all not know men and woman who wanted to become parents, but ultimately proved themselves less than capable, sometimes horrifically so?

Not to mention the difficult subject of karma. Enduring sub par, or even abusive parents is sometimes the karma necessary for advancement. Learning to parent well (sacrifice, love, etc) is sometimes the karma necessary for others. Should we deny those souls the opportunity for spiritual refinement?

posted October 18, 2020 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
This position leads us to state approved parenthood. The often semi joked about "license to parent"

Further, I'm sure we all know men and woman who were surprised by and not on board the prospect of having children, yet rose to the challenge and became good parents. Conversely, do we all not know men and woman who wanted to become parents, but ultimately proved themselves less than capable, sometimes horrifically so?

Not to mention the difficult subject of karma. Enduring sub par, or even abusive parents is sometimes the karma necessary for advancement. Learning to parent well (sacrifice, love, etc) is sometimes the karma necessary for others. Should we deny those souls the opportunity for spiritual refinement?

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Yes of course there are those unwilling parents who rise to the challenge and become good parents.

posted October 18, 2020 02:11 PM            

Point being, is it reason to legalize abortion?

posted October 19, 2020 10:01 AM            

It can show up in a divorce or the first divorce.

So if there is a 61% feminism rate, then the rate of at least one divorce could be similar.

The family has to be a super-high priority, so children can learn what they need to learn before they leave the house.

The only way I know for two to get through marriage difficulties is through spirituality and being unselfish.

I write this coming from having many sisters and watching them go through stages for more than 50 years.

Also from having children and being a grandparent.

posted October 19, 2020 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
How would we find stats on this? Has there been a study? What are the standards of good parenting? Is acceptable parenting sufficient?

Point being, is it reason to legalize abortion?

I'm not suggesting we should or shouldn't ban abortion, only asking if potentially bad parenting is an adequate, or even ethical, justication for a ban.

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Do we really need stats to understand that most people entering parenthood unwillingly are not going to do a good job? Do we REALLY need stats for that?

All we have to do is look at how many men are natural deadbeat dads that have to be forced by the system to give financial support for the children they father. They were willing to inseminate, but they were not willing to be parents.

If so many men can be like that, why do we think it is that different for women who have children they don't really want?