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SecretGeek
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posted October 15, 2020 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stevie Nicks' deluded thinking to compare the value of a rock group's existence compared to a human life.

Could have been all that coke she ingested.

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Nicks terminated a pregnancy in 1979, when Fleetwood Mac were at their height and she was dating the Eagles singer Don Henley. What did it mean to be able to make that choice? “If I had not had that abortion, I’m pretty sure there would have been no Fleetwood Mac."

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/14/stevie-nicks-on-art-ageing-and-attraction-botox-makes-it-look-like-youre-in-a-satanic-cult

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Hewston, come in Hewston.

Goodbye Stevie and good riddance!

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Singer Stevie Nicks Says She Will 'go To Space' If Trump Gets Re-elected As US President

American singer and songwriter Stevie Nicks says in an interview that she would leave the US if US President Donald Trump is re-elected for another four years.

http://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/stevie-nicks-says-she-will-leave-the-us-if-donald-trump-is-re-elected.html

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teasel
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posted October 15, 2020 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She had every right to make that choice.

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SecretGeek
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posted October 15, 2020 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.

We were all born with a will in our soul.

We all have the right to be wrong.

She was obviously wrong.

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posted October 15, 2020 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well yk priorities.

Did Fleetwood Mac release anything decent after 1979?

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posted October 16, 2020 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just looked.

Not that I can see.

Very good point.

So there might be a relationship between her music and her abortion.

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posted October 16, 2020 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I took a deep breath and dove into this dumpster fire of an interview.

holy moly.

She'd "not afraid of death", yet has barricaded herself in her mansion throughout the covid scare, sending her assistant out in a "hazmat suit" for supplies. She briefly married her best friend's widower. She's a self confessed former coke, klonopin, and drama addict. She admits to being unwilling to walk away from the 70s fame and coke parties for the sake of her child, yet later bemoans the 80s klonopin addiction preventing her from having or adopting children. She admits to feeling resentful that the men in the band could have children at a older age, when she was unable. But hey she's "independent" and wealthy, and that's why men don't want her. All of this is worth it though because she sang some commercially successfully pop songs once upon a time.

this is honestly heartbreaking. She's old, alone and desperately looking for justification.

A cautionary tale.

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posted October 16, 2020 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shura:
So I took a deep breath and dove into this dumpster fire of an interview.

holy moly.

She'd "not afraid of death", yet has barricaded herself in her mansion throughout the covid scare, sending her assistant out in a "hazmat suit" for supplies. She briefly married her best friend's widower. She's a self confessed former coke, klonopin, and drama addict. She admits to being unwilling to walk away from the 70s fame and coke parties for the sake of her child, yet later bemoans the 80s klonopin addiction preventing her from having or adopting children. She admits to feeling resentful that the men in the band could have children at a older age, when she was unable. But hey she's "independent" and wealthy, and that's why men don't want her. All of this is worth it though because she sang some commercially successfully pop songs once upon a time.

this is honestly heartbreaking. She's old, alone and desperately looking for justification.

A cautionary tale.


“Have babies, or else”?

Some men will waste a woman’s time, when they’re younger, and the woman wants to be married and have children. Then they decide when they’re over 40 or 50, decide that they want them, and try to marry younger women.

Some men will also marry and have children, then decide they want to be free to chase younger women, or just “be free”.

What if a man was told that he could no longer do that?

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posted October 16, 2020 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shura:
So I took a deep breath and dove into this dumpster fire of an interview.

holy moly.

She'd "not afraid of death", yet has barricaded herself in her mansion throughout the covid scare, sending her assistant out in a "hazmat suit" for supplies. She briefly married her best friend's widower. She's a self confessed former coke, klonopin, and drama addict. She admits to being unwilling to walk away from the 70s fame and coke parties for the sake of her child, yet later bemoans the 80s klonopin addiction preventing her from having or adopting children. She admits to feeling resentful that the men in the band could have children at a older age, when she was unable. But hey she's "independent" and wealthy, and that's why men don't want her. All of this is worth it though because she sang some commercially successfully pop songs once upon a time.

this is honestly heartbreaking. She's old, alone and desperately looking for justification.

A cautionary tale.



Very nice.

In my experience, God uses people like her, that have had a tough life, chasing things that don't mean much.

She could have had the most beautiful child in the world to take care of her when she ages and is too old.

To give her love and to be loved.

No love is greater on Earth.

Gave it away for what?


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posted October 16, 2020 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

Very nice.

In my experience, God uses people like her, that have had a tough life, chasing things that don't mean much.

She could have had the most beautiful child in the world to take care of her when she ages and is too old.

To give her love and to be loved.

No love is greater on Earth.

Gave it away for what?


If god exists, he/she loves her just as much as they love you. They aren't making an example of her.

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posted October 16, 2020 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"If god exists, he/she loves her just as much as they love you. They aren't making an example of her."

Capital G for me, as in God. One God the Almighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

I don't believe God has a gender.

I do believe God exists.

Just so there is no confusion.

If that is what you mean, then I agree.

Who do you mean by "they"?

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posted October 16, 2020 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Producing babies is a creative task just as producing music. Who the hell are you secret to decide wrong or right.

The pubs mom are not creative and have produced pub sons. Some form static creativity, Eh?


Everyone has free will. Perhaps she is expressing her creativity through music. India's greatest all time singer remained a spinster to this date. Like I said, you should not listen to right wing media and poison your soul. Allow growth and be objective all the time when it is required.

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posted October 16, 2020 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PhoenixRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10 years ago when I saw families with 2-4 children I would judge and vomit.

May be in 10 years when half the population dies it will be good to be rightist.

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posted October 16, 2020 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by teasel:
“Have babies, or else”?

Some men will waste a woman’s time, when they’re younger, and the woman wants to be married and have children. Then they decide when they’re over 40 or 50, decide that they want them, and try to marry younger women.

Some men will also marry and have children, then decide they want to be free to chase younger women, or just “be free”.

What if a man was told that he could no longer do that?


None of these hypotheticals apply to the story above, wherein a financially secure woman determined fame and endless piles of coke were worth more than the life of her child.

Some people might call that a deal with the devil. Others might just go with immorality and extreme narcissism.

Either way, the story doesn't appear to have ended well. Glamorizing abortion is a mistake. You may argue that it is sometimes necessary, but it is never something to be proud of.

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posted October 17, 2020 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I support a woman's right to be the one who ultimately decides if she will be a mother, but it is cringey to read statements such as "If I had not had that abortion, I’m pretty sure there would not have been...(fill in whatever worldly achievement you are proud of)".

It does not promote a moral or ethical basis for abortion, instead, it makes the speaker sound crass and soulless.

Abortion should not be something to be proud of, to wear as a badge of honor.

Just my opinion...

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posted October 17, 2020 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I support a woman's right to be the one who ultimately decides if she will be a mother, but..."


Since none of us know the future, most women make that decision before intercourse.

It's irresponsibility any other way to look at it and is wrong to not honor the decision up front.

It's choosing unselfishness.

It's doing without.

Because it's the right thing to do.

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The regrets and the nightmares come from the illusion that there is a way out, that there is some escape valve from personal responsibility in life. Legal abortion provides this deadly illusion that there is a way out. But a clever brain cannot delude a knowing heart.

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posted October 17, 2020 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"I support a woman's right to be the one who ultimately decides if she will be a mother, but..."


Since none of us know the future, most women make that decision before intercourse.

It's irresponsibility any other way to look at it and is wrong to not honor the decision up front.

It's choosing unselfishness.

It's doing without.

Because it's the right thing to do.


Let us not pretend that every time people have sex, they are thinking about long term repercussions. In an ideal world, people would, but in reality many do not.

Raising a child is a 18 year long term repercussion. Some will be up to the challenge, some will not be and will do a crappy job, neglecting and/or abusing the child they are forced to raise.

If someone is irresponsible enough to not think about the consequences of having sex, what makes you think they are responsible enough to decently raise a child that they are forced to have? Or do we not give a fig about the life of abused children raised by messed up parents?

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posted October 17, 2020 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Let us not pretend that every time people have sex, they are thinking about long term repercussions. In an ideal world, people would, but in reality many do not."

Since you mentioned reality:

That is exactly the issue.

There are two kinds of Reality.

Absolute and Relative (self-reality).

The difference between the two realities, is the clarity of the conscience contained in the human spirit assigned to a soul.

Absolute Reality is the ultimate Truth (God).

It is constant and never changes and is the same for all of us.

Relative Reality (self-reality) always changes and is never constant and is different for each one of us.

A conscience stores wrongdoings of the soul.

It is the difference of both realities.

It knows what right and wrong is, if it is relatively clear.

The more we are wrong, the more the difference is between the Realities, if the wrongdoings are not removed.

Not having a clear conscience (not knowing the difference of right and wrong), is only the responsibility of the person assigned the conscience.

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posted October 17, 2020 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"If someone is irresponsible enough to not think about the consequences of having sex, what makes you think they are responsible enough to decently raise a child that they are forced to have?"

They have to be taught, either by a parent or an educational institution, how a conscience works, before the conscience gets out of whack.

They have to know what right and wrong is.

Then they have to know how to overcome temptation.

If they don't know how, they need to be taught.

Then when they are wrong, they need to know how to remove the wrongdoing by making amends and obtaining forgiveness.

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posted October 17, 2020 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Historically, churches taught how to maintain consciences.

Then it was the parents to fall back on to reinforce the churches' teaching.

It was much easier to maintain a relatively clear conscience.

But since the family core is broken in modern society and churches are no longer attended like they used to be, a child has to be taught in other ways.

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posted October 17, 2020 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SecreetGeek, I am not disagreeing with the thoughts you expressed above.

I am not certain that we have a lot of influence on people's decisions when it comes to deeply personal matters. A lot of things are between them and their ideas of God.

I think we all deep inside know that abortion is wrong. As to how wrong, I am sure there are pro-choice people who feel differently whether we are talking about a 1 week old fetus vs a 5 or 6 month old one. So it is not a clear right vs wrong thing here. I would have absolutely no qualm about taking the morning after pill, my conscience does not feel there is anything wrong with it.

But there are those pro-life who feel that the moment sperm has met egg and a zygote has been created, it is a life worth protecting. To me, that's extreme.

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posted October 17, 2020 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I think we all deep inside know that abortion is wrong."

There are extremes of self-reality (state of a conscience).

The extremes of a conscience can be represented by a newborn baby's conscience with minimal wrongdoings and a full grown adult psychopath's conscience with maximum wrongdoings.

In the first case, anything wrong will bother the person.

In the second case, nothing wrong will bother the person.

The state of a conscience (self-reality) can be anywhere in between the minimum and maximum.

So we all don't know the difference of right and wrong.

You can see it clearly in a few of the comments in several threads.

They just don't know the difference of right and wrong.

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posted October 17, 2020 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"To me, that's extreme."

If our conscience is not clear enough to know the difference of right and wrong, it is safer to err on the side of caution.

The conservative side of permutations.

We can either be more aggressive in clearing our conscience or we can err on the safer side.

There are negative consequences of being wrong.

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posted October 17, 2020 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"A lot of things are between them and their ideas of God"

Many people don't think there is a God.

Almost all people know we have a conscience.

We don't know exactly where it is.

But we know it is present.

A conscience can be isolated and operated on.

It can be cleared to be close to purity or it can be clogged close to impurity.

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posted October 17, 2020 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I were to resume our differences of opinions:

YOU: Abortion is evil because God...conscience...right...etc....

ME: Abortion is evil, but forcing people to raise children they don't want is ALSO evil because of the harm done to the children raised by resentful, reluctant and unloving parents.

Basically, pick your poison.

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posted October 17, 2020 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For this argument, it's easiest to resolve differences by simply admitting it is wrong.

Then take action to prevent it from happening again.

Being right or wrong is a function of the conscience.

Evil is not the word I would use to reach the masses.

Also, there is no "but" after a wrongdoing.

The wrongdoing must be nipped at the bud.

There are no exceptions for being wrong.

There are negative consequences for being wrong.

There is hope.

Wrongdoings can be removed from a conscience.

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