posted March 12, 2021 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Seems fair

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posted March 12, 2021 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
No it doesn't.

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Yes it does.

posted March 12, 2021 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Yes it does.

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posted March 13, 2021 08:27 AM            

While some perhaps could, no one should be expected to carry, birth or raise a baby created through rape or incest, that is more inhumane than abortion, and is not a decision that should be made by anyone but the victim. They've already had their body forcibly taken by the perpetrator, they should not be retraumatised/punished by having their body taken by the state under the threat of death.

posted March 13, 2021 12:54 PM            

Retrospectively too.

After that is done for all Rape Cases in every Nation, then debate can be initiated about Abortions.

Until then, such Laws can be Trashed.

posted March 14, 2021 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Step 1 is to ensure either Death Penalty or Life Imprisonment for every Rapist.

Retrospectively too.

After that is done for all Rape Cases in every Nation, then debate can be initiated about Abortions.

Until then, such Laws can be Trashed.

[As per Linda's Lexigram:
ABORTIONS: A ROBOT, SO NOT A SIN]

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While I'm not comfortable with the death penalty, I do believe that rape and sexual abuse need to carry higher penalties than they do. Often those who rape or abuse either don't feel they have much to lose anyway, or they have so much power and status they feel (and can actually be in some cases) untouchable. This really needs to be considered when the authorities decide penalties. And I too feel that this is a more pressing issue than abortions, as many abortions are generated by sexual crimes.

posted March 14, 2021 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Surely there must be caveats?

While some perhaps could, no one should be expected to carry, birth or raise a baby created through rape or incest, that is more inhumane than abortion, and is not a decision that should be made by anyone but the victim. They've already had their body forcibly taken by the perpetrator, they should not be retraumatised/punished by having their body taken by the state under the threat of death.

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posted March 14, 2021 07:54 PM            

To me it seems if you’re austere then abortions for all and then no welfare or health care. This saves money for the state.

Seems to me there’s an extreme focus on the fetus but the baby and mother are to be discarded. Why create more life that’s not even wanted, these babies become further problems for society. Not all but many.

Or if you’re going to be pro life then ban abortions and have programs to help poor mothers and their babies.

posted March 15, 2021 07:23 PM            

Always trying to play the 'rape or incest' card when more than 90% of all abortions are for the 'convenience' of the mother. Not rape, not incest and not for the health of the mother.

How much more 'convenient' for all of us if those irresponsible women would learn to keep their knees together or spend the $9.00 a month for birth control.

posted March 15, 2021 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Such sophistry by leftists.

Always trying to play the 'rape or incest' card when more than 90% of all abortions are for the 'convenience' of the mother. Not rape, not incest and not for the health of the mother.

How much more 'convenient' for all of us if those irresponsible women would learn to keep their knees together or spend the $9.00 a month for birth control.

Instead, these irresponsible women pay an abortion clinic..like Planned Parenthood $1000 to $1500 to butcher their baby...or taxpayers foot the bill.

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posted March 17, 2021 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Because I understand their pain, I feel it's worth it for the 10% (if that's a true statistic). I don't expect a man to understand, so you're off the hook Jwhop.

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I was never on the hook. You and your friends in the baby killing industry are on the hook for 62,502,904 deaths of American babies by abortion since 1973.

Oh, so you want to talk about understanding the pain of the alleged 10% of women who sought an abortion after rape or incest? Well, it's nowhere near 10% pregnancies occurring after rape or incest. That 10% includes the health of the mother and is overwhelmingly the biggest component of the 10% who sought abortion.

posted March 17, 2021 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
I was never on the hook. You and your friends in the baby killing industry are on the hook for 62,502,904 deaths of American babies by abortion since 1973.

Oh, so you want to talk about understanding the pain of the alleged 10% of women who sought an abortion after rape or incest? Well, it's nowhere near 10% pregnancies occurring after rape or incest. That 10% includes the health of the mother and is overwhelmingly the biggest component of the 10% who sought abortion.

Please don't attempt to 'virtue signal' as you talk about understanding pain. You don't feel a whit for the pain of 62,000,000..62 Million American babies killed by your friends in the abortion industry. And btw, killed in a manner by your friends that no court in America would permit the worst convicted mass murdering serial killer or terrorist to be executed.

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She was a lot nicer than I was, and doesn’t deserve to be on the receiving end of your verbal abuse.

posted March 17, 2021 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
I was never on the hook. You and your friends in the baby killing industry are on the hook for 62,502,904 deaths of American babies by abortion since 1973.

Oh, so you want to talk about understanding the pain of the alleged 10% of women who sought an abortion after rape or incest? Well, it's nowhere near 10% pregnancies occurring after rape or incest. That 10% includes the health of the mother and is overwhelmingly the biggest component of the 10% who sought abortion.

Please don't attempt to 'virtue signal' as you talk about understanding pain. You don't feel a whit for the pain of 62,000,000..62 Million American babies killed by your friends in the abortion industry. And btw, killed in a manner by your friends that no court in America would permit the worst convicted mass murdering serial killer or terrorist to be executed.

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Like I said, you don't understand. It's not your fault.

posted March 17, 2021 01:20 PM            

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The likelihood that a rape will result in pregnancy is also difficult to determine. Estimates based on a single random coitus model derived from ovulation, fertility, and probability data suggest a 4%-10% likelihood that a given rape will result in pregnancy (Krueger, 1988, Shulman et al., 1992). However, evidence suggests that the actual incidence of pregnancy resulting from rape is much higher than this model predicts: Wartime data, bolstered by tragically large samples, have shown that up to 70% of rape conceptions occurred during supposedly infertile periods of the menstrual cycle (Jochle, 1973). A theory of coitus-induced ovulation suggests that fear, anger, and stress may act to trigger ovulation in humans, and that rape may actually be more likely than consensual intercourse to result in pregnancy (Jochle, 1973, Krueger, 1988).

Even if the single random coitus model accurately reflects the likelihood of pregnancy resulting from stranger rape, the model is not applicable to domestic rape. An estimated 1.8 million (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1991) to 3.9 million (Commonwealth Fund, 1993) women are abused each year, and most of these women are forced to have sex against their will (Campbell and Humpherys, 1993). In an abusive relationship, a woman’s sexual and reproductive self-determination is systematically and repeatedly violated, making coerced pregnancy a probable eventuality.
http://www.jognn.org/article/S0884-2175(15)33527-9/fulltext

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posted March 17, 2021 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
She was a lot nicer than I was, and doesn’t deserve to be on the receiving end of your verbal abuse.

And the Republican Party are not pro-life. Take your need for women to be controlled, elsewhere.

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Thanks Teasel, I'm not taking it personally, I'm confident in my convictions on this subject through direct experience. Jwhop can waste his energy if he wants.