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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted March 17, 2021 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Police are to record hate crimes which have been motivated by misogyny after ministers announced a concession to campaigners on women’s safety.

Forces will be asked to identify where a victim believes the crime has been prompted by “hostility based on their sex”.


http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/police-hate-crimes-misogyny-sarah-everard-b1818691.html%3famp

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posted March 17, 2021 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good. I know that some people will say, "All crimes are hate crimes" but some are specifically about someone's gender, or their race. Or their sexuality (like Matthew Shepard).

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posted March 18, 2021 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup. This has been recently fuelled by a woman who was kidnapped and murdered in England. They have arrested a policeman as a suspect.

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posted March 18, 2021 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So when the police record these crimes as hate crimes, what is going to be done concretely to improve the situation or prevent them from happening?

Do the offenders get a higher sentencing than say if they kill someone to take their money?

Are they planning special public education campaign like "don't hate women", "don't be mysognyistic"? I am trying to understand how labeling a crime "hate crime" helps in making it happen less.

Disclaimer: I do believe all crimes are hate crimes.

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posted March 18, 2021 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's in the early stages, so I don't have the answers to your questions Belage, sorry. I suppose it makes it punishable, so it could function as a deterrent. No one thing will be the absolute answer, but altogether you can have an impact.

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posted March 18, 2021 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voix, I believe if someone has murderous impulses, they will find ways to act them out. Relabeling a crime "hate crime" is not a deterrent in itself, and unfortunately it makes other crimes look less severe and more tolerable.

I believe if we treated all crimes against innocent people as hate crimes, that would be more of a societal deterrent than these niche words we have for certain crimes. We would be reaffirming as a society that EVERY life matters, not just the lives of certain people.

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posted March 18, 2021 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might be right Belage, I guess we'll see.

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posted March 19, 2021 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently the UK Green Party Baroness Jones is asking for 6pm curfew for all men to 'lessen discrimination'

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/uk-green-party-politician-baroness-jones-asks-for-6pm-curfew-for-all-men-to-lessen-discrimination/XTUDP22WKIYWTUXNSF7VYPZYZU/

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posted March 19, 2021 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We don't have to worry about them, they'll never get voted in

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posted March 19, 2021 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was an interesting idea, though.

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posted March 19, 2021 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
That was an interesting idea, though.


Yep. This is why we get nowhere with politics

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