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posted March 17, 2021 07:19 PM            

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Police are to record hate crimes which have been motivated by misogyny after ministers announced a concession to campaigners on women’s safety.

Forces will be asked to identify where a victim believes the crime has been prompted by “hostility based on their sex”.

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http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/police-hate-crimes-misogyny-sarah-everard-b1818691.html%3famp

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posted March 17, 2021 07:59 PM            

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Good. I know that some people will say, "All crimes are hate crimes" but some are specifically about someone's gender, or their race. Or their sexuality (like Matthew Shepard).

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posted March 18, 2021 04:13 AM            

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Yup. This has been recently fuelled by a woman who was kidnapped and murdered in England. They have arrested a policeman as a suspect.

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posted March 18, 2021 02:49 PM            

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So when the police record these crimes as hate crimes, what is going to be done concretely to improve the situation or prevent them from happening?

Do the offenders get a higher sentencing than say if they kill someone to take their money?

Are they planning special public education campaign like "don't hate women", "don't be mysognyistic"? I am trying to understand how labeling a crime "hate crime" helps in making it happen less.

Disclaimer: I do believe all crimes are hate crimes.

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posted March 18, 2021 02:52 PM            

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It's in the early stages, so I don't have the answers to your questions Belage, sorry. I suppose it makes it punishable, so it could function as a deterrent. No one thing will be the absolute answer, but altogether you can have an impact.

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posted March 18, 2021 03:03 PM            

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Voix, I believe if someone has murderous impulses, they will find ways to act them out. Relabeling a crime "hate crime" is not a deterrent in itself, and unfortunately it makes other crimes look less severe and more tolerable.

I believe if we treated all crimes against innocent people as hate crimes, that would be more of a societal deterrent than these niche words we have for certain crimes. We would be reaffirming as a society that EVERY life matters, not just the lives of certain people.

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posted March 18, 2021 05:20 PM            

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You might be right Belage, I guess we'll see.

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posted March 19, 2021 02:35 PM            

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Apparently the UK Green Party Baroness Jones is asking for 6pm curfew for all men to 'lessen discrimination'

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/uk-green-party-politician-baroness-jones-asks-for-6pm-curfew-for-all-men-to-lessen-discrimination/XTUDP22WKIYWTUXNSF7VYPZYZU/

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posted March 19, 2021 02:36 PM            

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We don't have to worry about them, they'll never get voted in

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posted March 19, 2021 02:47 PM            

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That was an interesting idea, though.

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Originally posted by Belage:
That was an interesting idea, though.

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Yep. This is why we get nowhere with politics

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