posted February 18, 2022 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Livestream: DAILY | Police crackdown in Ottawa begins

https://youtu.be/pwMUJ5cHnow

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The livestream moved to Rumble:

https://rumble.com/vv9a49-daily-police-crackdown-in-ottawa-begins.html

posted February 18, 2022 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin

...But he is an American.

Should I assume Canadians do not care about their essential Liberties? Their national anthem mentions the word "FREE" 6 times.

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I think the issue is Americans automatically assume that things are much worse then they really are.

Below are some pictures I took today, I couldn't upload earlier (mobile wifi).

Explain to me how my "freedoms" are violated. We can take off are masks in public places while were eating...it's not enforced...more like a recommendation.

I have the choice to put on my mask and take if off in the appropriate places.

There's no Martial Law...I'm free to go anywhere.

People continue as normal just less people traffic because there's no need to commute to work almost everyone can work at home.

Entering and exiting the station.

All the Premiers are also starting to take down a lot of COVID restrictions.

I mentioned it starts with one Premier then everyone else follows suit....that had nothing to do with the trucker protests...
More to do with the Premiers "scheduling".

posted February 18, 2022 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I think the issue is Americans automatically assume that things are much worse then they really are.

Below are some pictures I took today, I couldn't upload earlier (mobile wifi).

Explain to me how my "freedoms" are violated. We can take off are masks in public places while were eating...it's not enforced...more like a recommendation.

I have the choice to put on my mask and take if off in the appropriate places.

There's no Martial Law...I'm free to go anywhere.

People continue as normal just less people traffic because there's no need to commute to work almost everyone can work at home.

Entering and exiting the station.

All the Premiers are also starting to take down a lot of COVID restrictions.

I mentioned it starts with one Premier then everyone else follows suit....that had nothing to do with the trucker protests...
More to do with the Premiers "scheduling".

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I am feeling kind of dense, because I have no idea what those pics are supposed to tell me.

Anyway, you chose to be vaccinated, right? you CHOSE...

Would you be open to the idea that what you consider "freedom" may be a little too narrow for those who consider "freedom" to also mean the right to turn down medical procedures they do not want? The right to decide what goes into their bodies without losing their livelyhood? The right to protest peacefully without being debanked and called terrorists, nazis, white supremacists?

posted February 18, 2022 07:14 PM            

Before WW2, there were all sort of coercive instances regarding vaccines.

However, after WW2, because the nazis had experimented on Jews and other societal pariahs without their consent, and when put on trial at Nuremberg, argued that they didn't do anything different that had not done before by other scientists. As a result of that the Nuremberg Code was written, that spelled ethical concerns and stated that :

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

The Nuremberg Code was later superseded by the Helsinki Declaration, which still reaffirmed the issue of CONSENT.

However, since the 80s, the pharmaceutical industry has been chipping away little by little at the concept of consent, and people forgot that you really need to obtain CONSENT and it cannot be given under force, duress or threat of any sort.

posted February 18, 2022 08:40 PM            

I seem to remember people here, being fine with BLM protesters being shot. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Rumpy said that, and people here agreed. White supremacists were setting fire to buildings, and trying to have BLM protesters catch the blame for it. They were eventually arrested, at least one copped to it before he was caught. He was proud of it.

I also remember some having no problem with protesters being run over by people in cars, if they were blocking a road (or walking on it). They had no problem with protesters being shot with rubber bullets, losing eyes, getting concussions... journalists/news broadcasters being arrested on air, others being arrested just for being there, even though journalists are supposed to be protected, since they were covering events as they happened. Republicans in some states, passed laws that would allow people to run protesters over, if they are on the road. Which would be considered murder when it came to anyone else.

posted February 18, 2022 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Rumpy had groups of people grabbing protesters off the street. Remember that? Throwing them into vans, and taking off. You weren't bothered by that, either.

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The "peaceful" protesters that were setting fire to the federal building in Portland and kept doing that day in and day out all summer?
Yeah, I remember you were apoplectic because Rumpy wanted to make them stop. Since you are bringing this up, you should be also apoplectic because of what Trudeau is doing to people who have not set fire to anything.

And by the way, the Canadians are threatening to euthanize any pet found in the trucks. How would you like it if they euthanize your pets because you went to a BLM "peaceful" rally?

posted February 18, 2022 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Are these people being rounded up and sent to gas chambers? Being put to death, because the government doesn't like them? NO.

I seem to remember people here, being fine with BLM protesters being shot. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Rumpy said that, and people here agreed. White supremacists were setting fire to buildings, and trying to have BLM protesters catch the blame for it. They were eventually arrested, at least one copped to it before he was caught. He was proud of it.

I also remember some having no problem with protesters being run over by people in cars, if they were blocking a road (or walking on it). They had no problem with protesters being shot with rubber bullets, losing eyes, getting concussions... journalists/news broadcasters being arrested on air, others being arrested just for being there, even though journalists are supposed to be protected, since they were covering events as they happened. Republicans in some states, passed laws that would allow people to run protesters over, if they are on the road. Which would be considered murder when it came to anyone else.

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You are actually comparing a whole summer of looting, violence, burning, vandalizing to these 22 days of peaceful protest?

posted February 18, 2022 09:05 PM            

I don't need to continue engaging you. Have at it.

posted February 18, 2022 11:42 PM            

Meantime, as we're conditioned to defer to the almighty polls and honor the majority's up to the minute fancy, it bears repeating that might doesn't always make right. Recall it has been estimated that less than half of the American colonists supported the American revolution, that at least a third actively fought for the British, and many switched horses midstream (sometimes more than once!).

You can apply the same general ratios to multiple other revolutions ofc. The Bolshevik comes to mind.

posted February 19, 2022 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by shura:

...In other words, history does not capitulate to the idiot masses. Neither does truth. And neither should you.

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Come on man, everyone's doing it...

I'm reminded of a Twainism that seems rather apropos:

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

posted February 19, 2022 02:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
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And by the way, the Canadians are threatening to euthanize any pet found in the trucks.

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I can confirm I did hear an account by one Trucker...

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Originally posted by Belage:
teasel...

By the way, this thing in Canada is not over by a long shot.

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The Ottawa protest which is the largest is at least finished or close to being finished...and it's the largest one.

It would be a different story if it was people from the local area rising up...but it's not.

It's people that traveled from one part of the country to come here and that support network they could depend on is being shattered.

Accounts/Funds are frozen and the Police are cracking down on anyone giving them food or fuel.

It's just matter of time before the evitable!!!.

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Originally posted by shura:
I also don't understand the point of these posted pics. Further explanation would be welcome.

Meantime, as we're conditioned to defer to the almighty polls and honor the majority's up to the minute fancy, it bears repeating that might doesn't always make right. Recall it has been estimated that less than half of the American colonists supported the American revolution, that at least a third actively fought for the British, and many switched horses midstream (sometimes more than once!).

You can apply the same general ratios to multiple other revolutions ofc. The Bolshevik comes to mind.

In other words, history does not capitulate to the idiot masses. Neither does truth. And neither should you.

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About half of Canadians do not agree with COVID measures...but the majority does not agree with the Trucker protests.

I have said this many times over and over again.

We all know that these Truckers protesting are not genuinely about COVID measures.

It's about other long standing issues....Western Canada separation... and rise up against the Ruling Eastern Canadians.

Everyone south of the Mason-Dixie line whould march onto Washington. If they felt the same way Western Canada is treated.

Anyway we don't take kindly to the Truckers protects because they didn't consider the disruptions and damages this would cause..everyone else..

Almost every municipality in Ontario sent cops as reinforcements.

Who do you think is going to be on the hook for the increased policing bill?....the everyday tax payer not involved.

..more policing costs to contain protests will not sit will with the everyday person.

This is at a time when municipalities are already looking for ways to cut services and lean budgets because of COVID.

posted February 19, 2022 12:21 PM            

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Anyway we don't take kindly to the Truckers protects because they didn't consider the disruptions and damages this would cause..everyone else..

Almost every municipality in Ontario sent cops as reinforcements.

Who do you think is going to be on the hook for the increased policing bill?....the everyday tax payer not involved.

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Yes, Thank you. This is it precisely.

Firstly, I'm aware in a general sense of the cultural nuances particular to this protest. Western provinces and territories vs the so called coastal elites, etc. This vaguely enough mirrors the rural/urban tension here in the States that most Americans, when offered the comparison, will get the gist of your story. It's an old as the hills story, after all. Again, particulars notwithstanding. I appreciate greatly your shared experience of those particulars.

But to the point. The counter-argument boils down to inconvenience and money. And that is a pisss poor and petty counter argument indeed. That is why the idiot masses must be ignored. "Keep your eyes on the prize", as another once not so popular group of protestors used to say.

Anyone recall the Occupy protests? Years ago, right here on LL, I argued in favor of those protests with the then right wing faction. Then as now the most common counter-argument was "they're blocking the sidewalks, good people can't get to work" lol You see, the idiot masses, unable to see past their own noses, work both sides of the field.

posted February 19, 2022 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Mounted police knock down and arrest 100 protesters, smash windshields and drag protesters through, use tear gas and show up with firearms (rubber bullets?). I thought the Canadian mounted police didn’t use guns?
http://yournews.com/2022/02/19/2302170/mounted-police-knock-protesters-do wn-as-over-100-are-arrested/

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Has anyone heard an update on the Native female protestor with a walker who was trampled by mounted police?

posted February 19, 2022 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

Mark Twain

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Engraved on my soul, brother

posted February 19, 2022 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
About half of Canadians do not agree with COVID measures...but the majority does not agree with the Trucker protests.

I have said this many times over and over again.

We all know that these Truckers protesting are not genuinely about COVID measures.

It's about other long standing issues....Western Canada separation... and rise up against the Ruling Eastern Canadians.

Everyone south of the Mason-Dixie line whould march onto Washington. If they felt the same way Western Canada is treated.

Anyway we don't take kindly to the Truckers protects because they didn't consider the disruptions and damages this would cause..everyone else..

Almost every municipality in Ontario sent cops as reinforcements.

Who do you think is going to be on the hook for the increased policing bill?....the everyday tax payer not involved.

..more policing costs to contain protests will not sit will with the everyday person.

This is at a time when municipalities are already looking for ways to cut services and lean budgets because of COVID.

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I said in a previous post, all Trudeau had to do was lift the mandates requiring Truckers be vaccinated to re-enter Canada. This was the original decision that spurred the convoy to start in the first place.

Your leader had an opportunity to talk to the truckers and understand their grievances. But he did not. He choose to demonize them and play dictator with a big stick.

And yet, instead of taking out your anger at him, you are taking out your anger at the truckers who are standing not only for their rights, but for YOUR rights in the future to say no to arbitrary medical procedures. You may not value that right at the moment, but you never know how far scientific tyranny might goes. If I were you, I'd pause a little and reflect.

posted February 19, 2022 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Has anyone heard an update on the Native female protestor with a walker who was trampled by mounted police?
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In addition to the Western Canada separation issue being a major driver in this movement.

A lot of indigenous/aboriginal groups are in support because they share an equal sentiment of mistreatment.

Any movement that involves toppling the government they'll get involved...even if it isn't what there actually protesting about.

I have to mention that because when you have a mass protest here, it's hardly ever straight forward.

The 2020- Pipeline Expansion Protest
was a big mess.

You had Aboriginals squaring off against Aboriginals, I doubt you'd have something like that happen in the US.

In one corner you have the Hereditary Chiefs with there century old clans, families and links against the pipeline.

In the other corner you have the Elected Chiefs whom were elected by there own communities who were in support.

Plus...the other non indigenous groups that were for or against it.

I say again...nothing is straight forward here!!!.

posted February 19, 2022 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I said in a previous post, all Trudeau had to do was lift the mandates requiring Truckers be vaccinated to re-enter Canada. This was the original decision that spurred the convoy to start in the first place.

Your leader had an opportunity to talk to the truckers and understand their grievances. But he did not. He choose to demonize them and play dictator with a big stick.

And yet, instead of taking out your anger at him, you are taking out your anger at the truckers who are standing not only for their rights, but for YOUR rights in the future to say no to arbitrary medical procedures. You may not value that right at the moment, but you never know how far scientific tyranny might goes. If I were you, I'd pause a little and reflect.

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You deserve a big fail at understanding Canadian culture....I won't hold it against you .

Canadians are not known for being direct in your face people. It's a common trait that irritates Americans and something they don't fully understand.

Any one that's too up front, direct in your face.....regardless if your case is valid or not is frowned upon.

The Truckers did exactly that...shove there way to prove a point..not the accepted social norm here.

When they broke social norm thats when the backlash comes.

If I was in Japan I would educate myself to respect there social norms before making wrong assumptions on how they interact with each other then do something perceived out of character.

Canadians are known for traditionally being very passive...even Trump complained about Trudeau's passiveness when he would meet him.

Not saying I agree with this Canadian trait...but it's something to keep in mind when dealing with people up here.

Again as I said in a previous post the legal jurisdiction would fall too more to the Premiers, not the PM..every province is pretty much its own country.

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posted February 19, 2022 02:19 PM            

Where did you get that information? I haven't heard a word that would corroborate that statement.

posted February 19, 2022 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
"In addition to the Western Canada separation issue being a major driver in this movement."

Where did you get that information? I haven't heard a word that would corroborate that statement.

If you got that 'news' from Canadian news services, print or television news, I would remind you that Canadian news services are a wholly owned and paid for propaganda asset of the Canadian government; the same relationship Pravda had with the former Soviet Union.

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The primary gofundme founder Tamara Linch is an active member of the wexit movement.

She's also been involved in alot of similar fringe party movements that embrace similar ideals.

This has been her biggest break so far.

If you read the news of all the people getting arrested it's primarily people from out west.

I don't need the news to know where there from anyway...

You know by the persons demeanor, the way they present themselves, talk and even there accent will tell you where there from.

It's the same way in the US you can tell someone is from New England vs someone from Mississippi or Georgia based on there accent and the way they project themselves.

Again they are the diehards and soul of the movement...the others who joined the movement did it half hearted and only joined the bandwagon...

They took part in the protest, proved a bit of a point had there fun...then decided to go home because they don't want to get a criminal record and ruin there career over this.

The people that are truly willing to fight this to the end and willing to go to jail for this are from out west....they have nothing to lose in this.

posted February 19, 2022 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I said in a previous post, all Trudeau had to do was lift the mandates requiring Truckers be vaccinated to re-enter Canada. This was the original decision that spurred the convoy to start in the first place.

Your leader had an opportunity to talk to the truckers and understand their grievances. But he did not. He choose to demonize them and play dictator with a big stick.

And yet, instead of taking out your anger at him, you are taking out your anger at the truckers who are standing not only for their rights, but for YOUR rights in the future to say no to arbitrary medical procedures. You may not value that right at the moment, but you never know how far scientific tyranny might goes. If I were you, I'd pause a little and reflect.

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