posted March 05, 2022 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
In addition to “no fly zone” denial, NATO said they’re not a part of this conflict. I think it’s showing some kind of resolution was made between Russia and West.

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That, or their actions will be as covert, deceptive, or indirect as possible. Like they could send in NATO troops, but wearing Ukrainian military clothes, or giving them weapons, tech, and/or intel, for a couple examples.

Never a good idea to take the words of pathological liars at face value.

Here is the supreme irony in all of this: NATO shouldn't even exist at this point. It was specifically set up in relation to USSR and when same collapsed, it should have been dissolved/disbanded.

posted March 06, 2022 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
That, or their actions will be as covert, deceptive, or indirect as possible. Like they could send in NATO troops, but wearing Ukrainian military clothes, or giving them weapons, tech, and/or intel, for a couple examples.

Never a good idea to take the words of pathological liars at face value.

Here is the supreme irony in all of this: NATO shouldn't even exist at this point. It was specifically set up in relation to USSR and when same collapsed, it should have been dissolved/disbanded.

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posted March 07, 2022 10:29 AM            

More specifically, the US meddled in the coupe that happened years ago, because it didn't want anyone in there that was even remotely pro Russian.

This should be no surprise. The US intelligence community is well and thoroughly documented at this point, to have meddled in MANY elections and leadership appointments all around the globe since the 1950s. It's kind of the US's "M.O." at this point. Saddam Huseein for example, was a CIA supported guy. Osama Bin Laden was another. All is good and fine until they stop being good little US puppets. The US doesn't care about dicators being cruel or tyrically to their people. The Saudi Arabians, our "good friends" politically, are some of the worst abusers of human rights in the world next to China. And particularly of women's rights.

A lot of Americans literally have no deeper clue nor objectivity about this situation.

Given all the above, Russia's actions, while unsavory, do make a lot of sense, and the US would certainly do the same, if NOT MUCH WORSE, if it was in Russia's shoes. This is a direct threat to Russia's longer term survival and security as a sovereign nation.

And even more than the US, this is really being prompted by the international banking groups who run most nations behind the scenes, and who don't want any truly sovereign, independent nations left in the world. They want to control and micromanage ALL of it. People like Gates or various politicians are really just underlings to these folks who stay out of the limelight.

It only sounds like "conspiracy theory" to people who don't, won't, or can't use their brains. But anyone who understands psychology, and the power of same, and who understands wealth and who truly has most of it (i.e. banks and those who own same that literally have existed since the 1600's and 1700's and who have been accumulating obscene amounts of wealth via both usury and investing), know that this is just "common sense" and nothing "odd" or "out there".

It just unfortunately gets muddled by the "It's the Jews!" people--some of whom are rednecks, but I suspect some of them are people that work for groups like the US intelligence agencies, to make anyone who remotely understands and talks about this, look bad because they become automatically associated with anti-Semitic.

Well the funny thing about being so called anti-Semitic is that Semitic is a broad ethnic term that includes not only Hebrews/Israelites/Jews, but also most of the Middle East. And many Israelites do not like Arabic people and some Arabic people do not like Israelite's (or more so the Israeli government, which nearly has as bad of a track record of war mongering and bullying as the US). They are both "anti-Semitic" to each other apparently and ironically as they belong to the same general broader ethnic classification.

And while it is true that a lot of these old banking families do originally come from either Jewish and/or Hebrew roots, most are so Euronized and/or atheistic (non practicing Jews) that the term "Jew" only very loosely applies to them, and its not an ethnic-genetic thing to begin with.

There were some cultural factors perhaps which contributed, but that is different.

One of my biggest ethical/moral heroes of all time, is Illan Pappe who is an Jewish/Israeli born and raised historian and author. His books are a must read to understand the conflict between Israel and Palestine. And clue, though he is Israeli and Jewish, he is on the side of the Palestinians.

And this brave man has received many death threads and banishment's from his own country and country-peoples.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the Jewish people as a whole, just because a majority of the biggest/wealthiest banking families in the world have some loose, long ago, greatly diluted historical, cultural-religious, and/or genetic connection there. That is the height of ignorance and stupidity, and such people should be called out.

(And not well known, but there are Jewish-religious groups in both the US and Israel that denounce the actions and habits of the Israeli government. Are they "anti-Semitic" as well?).

posted March 07, 2022 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

It just unfortunately gets muddled by the "It's the Jews!" people--some of whom are rednecks, but I suspect some of them are people that work for groups like the US intelligence agencies, to make anyone who remotely understands and talks about this, look bad because they become automatically associated with anti-Semitic.

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It's worth mentioning that Putin deliberately and clearly said he wants to "de-nazify" Ukraine. Which sounds a little ridiculous at surface level.

But several things I have noticed while sifting through the propaganda and fear mongering.

Official footage and images of Ukranian soldiers, an eerie amount of these ukranian soldiers have Black Sun patches sewn on to their uniforms. If you don't know what the Black Sun is, it is a not-so-well-known Nazi symbol. This is worth noting because it is extremely odd, in my opinion. There are MANY of them too. I've analyzed the photos, they are not photoshopped, and i've seen them on soldiers in images and videos from multiple different sources, situations, time periods etc. Whats with the Black Sun patches?

As well as the news that came out about the United States ordering that they destroy the documents at these operation hubs where they were designing/working with bioweapons such as Anthrax and whatever "Plague" is. This is not being talked about in the mainstream media but there are plenty of sources for it online if anyone is interested. I'm not saying its true, because frankly i think it is obvious that 98% of what we're hearing about the war is straight up false. But it is worth noting that clearly there was some suspiscious **** going on in Ukraine, as well as the fact that they are in the top 4 nations for child sex trafficking.

posted March 08, 2022 01:15 PM            

Ukraine is a den of sin. A European Dubai. Everything from highly suspicious bio labs to rampant sex trafficking. These stories are not new or solely connected to Russia's invasion. They have been swarming about for a good 10 years that I know of.

It's been a real trip watching the holier than thou liberals supporting child soldiers, black suns, and a nation that idolizes Bandera. lol

posted March 13, 2022 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Sonnenrad (black sun) is an ancient European symbol. Probably Indo-european in origin, and with profound spiritual meaning. Decidedly NOT satanic. That said, like the swastika, the Nazis adopted it and it is now strongly associated with various White supremacist and Nazi groups. Pagans too, ofc.

Ukraine is a den of sin. A European Dubai. Everything from highly suspicious bio labs to rampant sex trafficking. These stories are not new or solely connected to Russia's invasion. They have been swarming about for a good 10 years that I know of.

It's been a real trip watching the holier than thou liberals supporting child soldiers, black suns, and a nation that idolizes Bandera. lol

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okay yes, i wasn't talking about their origins though. i'm familiar with the swastika being a symbol as old as time and most don't know that, which is funny imo. but the ancient meanings behind them aside, I mean does that really make sense that they would choose that symbol specifically and then sew the patches of them on their uniforms? and then its just a coincidence that Putin has clearly spoken about "nazi's" in Ukraine?

I feel like thats not a coincidence. It's being talked about in various alternative news outlets now. So, I don't think its something that we should just write off as a coincidence. In fact, the longer this goes on and the more that comes out about Ukraine, I think we have a very large scale propaganda mess on our hands.

A side note, a lot of people are mentioning that there is conflicting information when it comes to bombing and things like that. Basically we have only seen a small amount of photos and videos coming from the war and about 60% of those images and videos have been proven to be fake, old or even some from video games. And these are being posted on the news outlets. People are asking why out of all of the ukranian citizens why is there essentially no live footage or videos coming from the average citizen ? I'm not implying that there is not a war going on, so don't think that. But I think it is suspicious. There are many excuses like oh well they dont have internet! which is just blatantly false.

It is also very suspicious to me that Zelenskyy was an actor, and it part of the World Economic Forum. As well as, did you guys see the live interview with a Ukranian Parliment member where she specifically and verbatim said that "We are not just fighting for the people of Ukraine, but we are fighting for this New World Order". That should be sounding the alarms for EVERYONE imo. If you guys haven't seen the video, I'm happy to produce it here for you. Just wondering what you guys think.

posted March 14, 2022 01:56 PM            

naturally we in the west would share a somewhat different perspective than those literally on the far side of the battle. Their front was not our front. An obvious but perhaps illuminating example being the name. We say WW2 ofc, while the Russians commonly refer to it as The Great Patriotic War. Quite a difference in perspective there!

What is the first thing westerners have been taught to associate with that war? The Holocaust ofc (it wasn't always so) But for the Russian, it is the Siege of Leningrad that first comes to mind. Very different scenarios, very different psychology. Worth thinking on.

posted March 14, 2022 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs (and ethnic Ukrainian Jew, shocker) - "Ukraine has biological research facilities which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of ..."

Oh you don't say?

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Mainstream media is still denying the existence of biolabs, putting its own spin on Nuland's statements and splainin' things away.

God forbid they ever admit to being wrong.

posted March 14, 2022 03:22 PM            

I’ve seen that Putin is now lying about something else, that they had bombs land near the polish border, that his insanity is raging, and he seems to be escalating. He’s been committing war crimes all along.

posted March 14, 2022 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
I think it is crucial to step outside the ever popular WW2 paradigm *as the west sees it.*

naturally we in the west would share a somewhat different perspective than those literally on the far side of the battle. Their front was not our front. An obvious but perhaps illuminating example being the name. We say WW2 ofc, while the Russians commonly refer to it as The Great Patriotic War. Quite a difference in perspective there!

What is the first thing westerners have been taught to associate with that war? The Holocaust ofc (it wasn't always so) But for the Russian, it is the Siege of Leningrad that first comes to mind. Very different scenarios, very different psychology. Worth thinking on.

I believe this is why we see Soviet flags on Russian tanks and black suns on Ukrainian uniforms. The Ukrainians and Russians are blood brothers, and they are speaking their own language. It doesn't mean to us what it means to them.

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Thank you for this. Very insightful and opens up my perspective.

However, even then, I am still confused on if they are blood brothers, why would Putin say he is trying to "de-nazify" Ukraine and then Ukranian soldiers have nazi symbols on their uniforms. Again this is confusing when i base it from your point of view.

I am aware that "nazi" may not mean the same thing to us as it does to them. However, again, Putin says he wants to de-nazify Ukraine. Which paints the picture that "nazi" is a bad thing. Then Ukranian soldiers with nazi symbols on their uniforms.

posted March 14, 2022 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Why are people bumping this thread? I’m trying to take a break from this place.

I’ve seen that Putin is now lying about something else, that they had bombs land near the polish border, that his insanity is raging, and he seems to be escalating. He’s been committing war crimes all along.

On a separate topic, I’ve also seen that Madison cawthorn sneaked weapons into the capitol on January 6th, and armed the people around him, for THE COUP ATTEMPT. The ducking gaslighting gits who tried to blame it on “antifa”.

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no one is "bumping" this thread. we are having conversations. if you didn't want people to talk about the topic, then why did you make the post? counter productive. you also could just not check it if you are trying to avoid this place. simple as.

also, it is worth noting the disgusting narrative toward Putin. Painting him as some insane uncontrollable dictator. He is calm, reserved, conservative and very clear in his statements and concerns. I am not defending the killing of innocent people. But it is extremely dangerous to paint this narrative of Putin. His entire point is that no one would listen to the concerns of Russia. Which was displayed clearly when people walked out of the UN meeting when Russia was addressed.