posted June 09, 2025 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Unlawful presence actually is a criminal offense. You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, picking fruit contributes to society. But you missed my point. The gold card members will be setting up businesses here and hiring many employees. It is a brilliant idea. No one said rich people couldn't be bad people. Your mob analogy is dumb. If the gold card holders do something bad, they will forfeit their deal. No one was "randomly" deported to El Salvador. These were people already convicted of violent crimes are were members of gangs designated as domestic terrorists, and under the law that President Trump invoked, yes, he has the right to do that.

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What I can find is that unlawful presence is a civil offense, but unlawful entry is a crime. Those two are not the same.
http://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence/

Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not have a criminal record when he was deported to a prison in El Salvador. He is now returned to the U.S. to face charges and have his due process.

posted June 09, 2025 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
What I can find is that unlawful presence is a civil offense, but unlawful entry is a crime. Those two are not the same.
http://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/is-ill egal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence/

Kilmar Abrego Garcia did not have a criminal record when he was deported to a prison in El Salvador. He is now returned to the U.S. to face charges and have his due process.

And <trickle down economy> has been debunked many times before. It's nonsense. Rich people are not better for the economy.

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posted June 10, 2025 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
USC 1325 is a criminal offense. You have to commit the criminal for the civil to then apply (except with overstaying a Visa). Don't pretend that you meant the civil penalty when you said that. You meant that it is not a crime to enter the country illegally. You were wrong. I said a criminal record OR being a member of a gang designated as a domestic terrorist organization. He is in MS-13. He already had a final order of deportation. He had two hearings. He just had an order that he could not be deported to his home country due to being in fear of a rival gang. No one mentioned trickle-down economics. The gold card holders are coming here to expand their businesses. They are going to hire people. But since you mentioned it, trickle-down economics has not been debunked. Who tf do you think hires people in this country--poor people?

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I wrote unlawful presence, not unlawful entry. And that is exactly what a meant. A lot of immigrants come to the U.S. with legal documentation. They have working permits but overstay. Now you are making up that I meant something different than what I actually wrote. That is a poor attempt to justify your reaction.

Klimar Abrego Garcia has not a convicted member of MS-13. He needs due process to be convicted. You cannot randomly deport people on suspicions.

posted June 11, 2025 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:
Leftist utopia nightmare: When killing babies is considered healthcare!

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Stop lying. Babies can live outside the womb. Abortions are in all cases about a fetus that cannot live outside a womb. 98% are before 12 weeks and afterwards it's about pregnancies that are not viable and as a consequence pose a threat to the mother's health. Abortion is never about murdering babies.

posted June 11, 2025 04:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
What you said is "What I can find,,," meaning that you searched after the fact. But nonetheless, the information you found is correct. Overstaying is a common problem, but it still allows for them to be deported for breaking the agreement. Abrego had two hearings, and he admitted to being a member of MS-13 at a hearing where he said he was afraid of a rival gang. He was also held to be deportable.

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Yet the court ordered that Abrego had to be brought back. His lawyers deny he's a gang member and he has never been convicted of being a gang member in the U.S. or El Salvador.

source: http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno

Due process is important otherwise anyone can be imprisoned based on random assumptions. It's in the U.S. constitution.

<The clause in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides: No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

The clause in Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.>