posted March 08, 2011 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Now, yes you do have corporate drugs.

And you have street drugs.

Both are drugs to me.

If they are not to you PS, then that is cool.

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posted March 08, 2011 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Can I add, that the better quality of life statement is in direct relation to you.

You have problems(dont we all?) and the pills helped you. That makes it good.

If they did not help you, Would you hold the same idea?

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I have had experiences with medication that did not help me. So, I found one that did.

But, considering that nothing helped me with my depression? Dunno, I probably would've gone to a therapist or become a habitual user of alcohol and marijuana to kill off my defective brain?

At least I would've had the support of alcoholics and drug users! haha.

posted March 08, 2011 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Definitely not the same thing. "corporate drugs" enable people to get better. Unregulated medications is a game of Russian roulette.

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You have more faith than me.

posted March 08, 2011 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I have had experiences with medication that did not help me. So, I found one that did.

But, considering that nothing helped me with my depression? Dunno, I probably would've gone to a therapist or become a habitual user of alcohol and marijuana to kill off my defective brain?

At least I would've had the support of alcoholics and drug users! haha.

I would probably still have to adjust my views, because I've met people who have had success with anti-depressants. They're not just all weak, sick, zombies who are tools for pharma companies. They're normal people living better lives.

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posted March 08, 2011 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
You have more faith than me.

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posted March 08, 2011 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Who decides "normal"? PS

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Me. That's all that really matters, ultimately.

But, I can define "normal" for you:

No voices.
No delusions.
No mania.
No chronic, uncontrolled anxieties.
No obsessions.
No compulsions.
No crippling depression.
Clear mind.
Ability to rationally think.
Ability to communicate effectively.
Ability to interact with others effectively.
Ability to succeed.
Ability to love.
Ability to feel empathy and compassion.
Ability to achieve personal goals.
Ability to survive.
Ability to have relationships, and to sustain relationships.
No interest in self-destruction.
No interest in destruction of others.
No debilitating symptoms like loss of desire, loss of appetite, loss of memory.

There's probably more, but those are the big things.

posted March 08, 2011 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Me. That's all that really matters, ultimately.

But, I can define "normal" for you:

No voices.
No delusions.
No mania.
No chronic, uncontrolled anxieties.
No obsessions.
No compulsions.
No crippling depression.
Clear mind.
Ability to rationally think.
Ability to communicate effectively.
Ability to interact with others effectively.
Ability to succeed.
Ability to love.
Ability to feel empathy and compassion.
Ability to achieve personal goals.
Ability to survive.
Ability to have relationships, and to sustain relationships.
No interest in self-destruction.
No interest in destruction of others.
No debilitating symptoms like loss of desire, loss of appetite, loss of memory.

There's probably more, but those are the big things.

That's all normal to me... seems others aim for the same stuff, really.

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Well, The doctors gave you the right drugs to knock all that out I guess.

posted March 08, 2011 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Well, The doctors gave you the right drugs to knock all that out I guess.

How is life for you?

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LOL, Mblake. I didn't have all those symptoms!

I was just defining normal.

posted March 08, 2011 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
LOL, Mblake. I didn't have all those symptoms!

I was just defining normal.

Life is darn good right now, to be honest.

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posted March 08, 2011 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Cool

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posted March 08, 2011 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
That is if YOU really exist, Mblake. I mean, and not just a creation of my own mind. LOL.

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posted March 12, 2011 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
I didn't even bother reading the thread once I saw that you got your information from the Mayo Clinic. A clinic that diagnosed a woman with terminal cancer, told she had at the most 2 months to live and chucked her out. Thanks to Max Gherson's method of healing cancer she is alive and well with no sign of cancer around 6 years later. When helping in the making of a documentary, she was denied an interview and the police where called.

youtube The Beautiful Truth.

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Littlecloud, you have very extremist views regarding diet and health, and I am practically the polar opposite of you.

posted March 12, 2011 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Littlecloud, you have very extremist views regarding diet and health, and I am practically the polar opposite of you.

Same thing, just way on the other end.

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posted March 12, 2011 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Do what helps you the best plutosquared, but that solution may not work for everyone you meet.

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posted March 12, 2011 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Littlecloud, you have very extremist views regarding diet and health, and I am practically the polar opposite of you.

Same thing, just way on the other end.

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posted March 12, 2011 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
I'm disappointed to hear that because you are consequently destroying your own health. I'm sorry that my original post came out a bit harsh. It wasn't directed at you but at Big Pharma making billions off of sick dying people. I know my views may seem extreme but I don't understand what's extreme about living a natural healthy lifestyle. For example I just had some eczema appear on my finger so I immediately started putting some extra virgin olive oil on it because olive oil is rich in vitamin E and anti-oxidants. It will help retain the moisture in that area. A day later and my finger is much better without the use of cortisone cream (the usual prescription) where I've witnessed a lack of results. I'm healing myself naturally and economically.

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Littlecloud, I'm perfectly comfortable with you solving your health problems the way you prefer. But, telling me that I am destroying my own health is where you cross the line...

You are no doctor, no expert, and like me, only have your personal experiences to draw from.

I respect that you have such a belief in natural remedies, but I assure you many people died from TB before the advent of Antibiotics.

And, many people suffered through unsuccessful treatments of depression before anti-depressants.

Granted, new pharmaceutical meds do not work for everyone, but they've worked for me. I have had no adverse effects, only positive.

That is hardly "destroying my health".

You made a comment the other day about how people are better off without health care, because all current medicine is poison.

I don't agree with you, and regardless of having a debate here, or a p*ssing contest, I assure you we will not agree on this subject, at all.

I also really question your motivation to come here and comment on this thread, as we disagreed a while ago about how I believe one can't cure STD's with diet - afterwhich, you said you would not debate or address me anymore. So, what's your motivation, Littlecloud?

posted March 12, 2011 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
That really goes without saying, Mblake... Of course! In spite of that, I don't have to accept every opposing view point.

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posted March 12, 2011 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
It does? well,Im just wasting our time.

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posted March 12, 2011 09:39 PM            

I forgot why I said that...I'll have to go back and check...

If you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind then I suggest you research them a little more. For the record doctors aren't even great at their own diagnosis and are taught to treat symptoms not causes. You can't cure something that affects only the symptoms. The symptoms are their because there is an imbalance in the human body, when you get that balance back the symptoms disappear.

posted March 12, 2011 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
I didn't even bother reading the thread once I saw that you got your information from the Mayo Clinic. A clinic that diagnosed a woman with terminal cancer, told she had at the most 2 months to live and chucked her out. Thanks to Max Gherson's method of healing cancer she is alive and well with no sign of cancer around 6 years later. When helping in the making of a documentary, she was denied an interview and the police where called.

youtube The Beautiful Truth.

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posted March 12, 2011 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
My motivation is positive healing.

I forgot why I said that...I'll have to go back and check...

If you think pharmaceutical companies have your best interest in mind then I suggest you research them a little more. For the record doctors aren't even great at their own diagnosis and are taught to treat symptoms not causes. You can't cure something that affects only the symptoms. The symptoms are their because there is an imbalance in the human body, when you get that balance back the symptoms disappear.

I'm not trying to 'convert' or fight with you, just show you that opposing views are valid with a lot of truth behind it. If someone can cure themselves naturally than why pay insane amount of money for something that doesn't cure you? It's illogical.

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I didn't find your post towards my health especially "positive" or "healing" but, if you're on a mission, go right ahead...

If I were you, I'd start a thread about how you can indeed heal mental illness with diet. That would be far more appropriate, in my opinion...

posted March 12, 2011 10:32 PM            

Her breast cancer ate away at her breast, until it ulcerated and began to rot off.

Her blog abruptly stopped. Some time later, a family member updated the blog and said that she had traveled to Australia to begin modern medical chemo therapy for her advanced stage breast cancer.

Do you know what they call alternative medicine that works??? Medicine.