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Topic: Personality Disorders
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 20, 2011 09:06 AM
  
I know we have had umpteen threads on this.This thread has a different take.
What makes a person get WITH someone with a PD?
This is the fertile ground that will really help.
I am formulating my own ideas.
I know we have discussed this,too,
I just want to bring it up,again, for discussion.------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 20, 2011 09:10 AM
I think the "victim" for lack of a better word has a minus self .The perpetrator for lack of a better word has an uber self.
There must be a puzzle piece fit cuz oodles of people walk away from the PD persom.
What makes someone stay?
That is my query lol------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 20, 2011 09:14 AM
I think Nessus is in there,somehow. I would like to do a study on Nessus and Deja.
I bet it is tight in any abusive relationship.
I bet that you can forestall an abusive relationship just by checking the Nessus/Deja
However,if you are on that track to an abusive relationship,no info will help.
Your heart is wrong.Your compass is wrong.Your sense of self is wrong.
You won't listen to the charts or anyone or anything else.
You have to change the nature of the soil which is yourself .------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 20, 2011 09:25 AM
If you have a parent with a PD that is not your fault,of course.
You ARE a victim.
I think you have to get really small inside to avoid their wrath and their overwhelming hugeness lol
Your sense of self and inherent power have to shrink.
Your sense of self is scary to you cuz it could make you visible and get you hurt------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 20, 2011 09:26 AM
I know I could fail but I could not succeed unless it was in ways that made my mother look good such as my appearance,schoolwork or hobbies such as music.
If she could take credit for me,I could succeed.
If I was gaining inherent strength,she would sabotage me------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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LEXX
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posted May 20, 2011 10:03 AM
Maybe everyone has such to a degree from time to time?
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/personality-disorders/DS00562/DSECTION=symptoms ------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 20, 2011 10:40 AM
Probably ALL the personality disorders are just exaggerations of normal.------------------
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PlutoSquared
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From: Mars
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 20, 2011 04:37 PM
Disorder, disorder everywhere...IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted May 20, 2011 04:38 PM
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 22, 2011 10:08 AM
Ok I figured out something big. A PD person wants to steal from you, somehow,
They do not see that you have a right to you.
They think they have a right to you. Your giving to them is not a gift.
They think they deserve your life blood.------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted May 22, 2011 10:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I want to change my name.
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 23, 2011 09:52 AM
I figured out something about PD's.The person wants to possess you.
You are not supposed to have a separate self.If you do, the person punishes you.
It sucks when it is your mother  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 23, 2011 09:53 AM
However,if you had a parent like this,you may feel you do not deserve to have a self.
I felt that way.
I really did.
Can anyone relate?------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 23, 2011 10:00 AM
I know my mother "loves" me but what good is love when it destroys you.
I think of all my mother DID for me. I feel guilty when I don't like her.
She took care of me, made sure I had the physical things I needed.
She encouraged me to go for higher education.
She encouraged my hobbies.
However, I feel she had the other hand around my throat strangling any part of me who wanted to be for myself.
How do I reconcile all that  ------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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starfox
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From: London England
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 23, 2011 06:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know my mother "loves" me but what good is love when it destroys you.
I think of all my mother DID for me. I feel guilty when I don't like her.
She took care of me, made sure I had the physical things I needed.
She encouraged me to go for higher education.
She encouraged my hobbies.
However, I feel she had the other hand around my throat strangling any part of me who wanted to be for myself.
How do I reconcile all that
Can we resolve our past? I doubt if we can, perhaps the best we can do is recognise it for what it is and try to let its hold over us slowly weaken. What are our thoughts and memories of the past? They are just 'thoughts and memories' and little else after that. Memories float into your mind and like a cloud you can learn to float them away.
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2011 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Disorder, disorder everywhere...
Interestingly, I would love to meet those normal folks who have normal healthy relationships that get to say WHAT is a disorder and what is universally normal. I wonder if they chew their fingernails, tap their fingers or pick their nose when no one is looking 
Perhaps more attention and energy should be spent on what does work in a relationship , is mentally and physically healthy and gives one joy in life. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 23, 2011 08:07 PM
You are my Bud ,Starfox  ------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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PlutoSquared
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From: Mars
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posted May 23, 2011 08:12 PM
I think you read too much into my comment, Juni.Otherwise, PD's are not just your ordinary quirky flawed human beings... they're the next step. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 23, 2011 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I think you read too much into my comment, Juni.Otherwise, PD's are not just your ordinary quirky flawed human beings... they're the next step.
Perhaps you are right PlutoSquared, I was projecting. That is my PD.
I believe if we live in a world of fear about whats wrong with people, we will miss the goodness within them. As human beings we are all flawed and fall short of the Grace of God. To dwell on the human disorders is to NOT dwell on the goodness of humankind. I am not downplaying the seriousness of sociopaths / psychopaths but come on; do we need to keep downgrade humanity by their named disorders? Our world will go on rather we believe it is "the next step" or not so we may as well dwell on a little love and kindness while we are here. 
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saronna
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From: Australia
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted May 23, 2011 10:33 PM
i think being attracted to someone with Personality Disorder has alot to do with light and darkness in one's mind. One can be filled with light but there's something in one's mind or missing the mark that is attracting someone with personality disorder. I think it's knowing one's self to understand why one is attracted to someone with personality disorder.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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From: Mars
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posted May 23, 2011 11:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:
Perhaps you are right PlutoSquared, I was projecting. That is my PD.
I believe if we live in a world of fear about whats wrong with people, we will miss the goodness within them. As human beings we are all flawed and fall short of the Grace of God. To dwell on the human disorders is to NOT dwell on the goodness of humankind. I am not downplaying the seriousness of sociopaths / psychopaths but come on; do we need to keep downgrade humanity by their named disorders? Our world will go on rather we believe it is "the next step" or not so we may as well dwell on a little love and kindness while we are here.
Again, I don't know why you feel anyone is "dwelling" or "living in fear" or calling out other imperfections. People need to discuss the real and potential dangers of PD's. There are whole support groups based on that - it is neither unholy or unkind to simply identify that someone has known or been affected by someone with a severe personality disorder... God gave us discernment. It's not "bad" to use it... Regardless, I'm certainly not "putting down" sociopaths or coloring the world in a bad way, only seeing things in all shades, shapes and colors, just opening discussion for others to identify and make choices for themselves. Information is a good thing. Living life in denial, being afraid to notice differences, and living in a perfect world of pretty hopes and peace is very nice, but dangerous (and foolish). Just my opinion. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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From: Mars
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posted May 23, 2011 11:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by saronna:
i think being attracted to someone with Personality Disorder has alot to do with light and darkness in one's mind. One can be filled with light but there's something in one's mind or missing the mark that is attracting someone with personality disorder. I think it's knowing one's self to understand why one is attracted to someone with personality disorder.
Saronna, I can understand your theory, but many people were born into families with family members suffering from PD's. Does that make everyone "defective of mind" because they have a brother, sister, uncle, father, mother with a PD? Otherwise, it's fairly established that sociopaths target others and "pretend" and "mirror" to get what they want. So, the person who falls for a scam or con artist is a bad, defective person because they fell for it? I don't think so. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted May 24, 2011 10:21 AM
Well Juni
Opinions are like noses.We ALL have one and they usually have a few holes in them  ------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted May 24, 2011 11:01 AM
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juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted May 24, 2011 04:41 PM
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Living life in denial, being afraid to notice differences, and living in a perfect world of pretty hopes and peace is very nice, but dangerous (and foolish).
Absolutely!! Exactly the same applies when one dwells on the uglies of life. Balance, balance... balance  Let the sun shine in the dark cornerss and the corners won`t seem so barren or ugly. Then you will have a whole room you can live in. ------------------
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